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Post by silverdragon on Oct 6, 2014 8:51:48 GMT
I am reading something that says there is trace amounts of Arsenic in rice grown in the USA......
And this is "Known" to many people...
There have been studies as to how much?....
Well, I cant find any reliable ones, just ones "Relating" to reported studies.
So myth or not?....
And if true, how dangerous is it.
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Post by OziRiS on Oct 6, 2014 18:25:59 GMT
I'm curious... When you go looking for these studies, what search terms do you use and what makes you decide that something isn't "reliable"? I'm asking because I just Googled "arsenic in rice" and came up with a lot of scientific studies. Not just references to studies, but actual studies. I even found a full book on the subject, aptly named "Arsenic & Rice" on Google Books, freely available for anyone to read ( link), so I'm just wondering... |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Oct 6, 2014 19:02:57 GMT
It's a good question, and one I don't have an answer too. I tend to think sources that are well known, should be more accurate and/or trustworthy, but I'm sure there are exceptions to that as well. Having said that, I believe that Consumer Reports is likely to be reputable. Here is what they had/have to say on the subject. www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/11/arsenic-in-your-food/index.htm |
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 6, 2014 20:45:14 GMT
It's a good question, and one I don't have an answer too. I tend to think sources that are well known, should be more accurate and/or trustworthy, but I'm sure there are exceptions to that as well. Having said that, I believe that Consumer Reports is likely to be reputable. Here is what they had/have to say on the subject. www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/11/arsenic-in-your-food/index.htmSo if it's as big a problem as CR seems to think, how come that are zero reports of anyone getting sick from it? Yes, there may be "trace" amounts. Obviously not enough to cause any problems. Sounds to me like just more BS we don't need to worry about. |
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Post by OziRiS on Oct 6, 2014 20:51:36 GMT
It's a good question, and one I don't have an answer too. I tend to think sources that are well known, should be more accurate and/or trustworthy, but I'm sure there are exceptions to that as well. Having said that, I believe that Consumer Reports is likely to be reputable. Here is what they had/have to say on the subject. www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/11/arsenic-in-your-food/index.htmSo if it's as big a problem as CR seems to think, how come that are zero reports of anyone getting sick from it? Yes, there may be "trace" amounts. Obviously not enough to cause any problems. Sounds to me like just more BS we don't need to worry about. Well, the FDA is looking into whether it might have long term effects, since arsenic is known to cause certain types of cancer, but there are no indications to suggest that levels are high enough to cause any immediate danger to the public: Link to FDASeems to me they're taking a serious look at it, so the concern, while still unsubstantiated, is likely to be legitimate. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 6, 2014 21:03:19 GMT
So if it's as big a problem as CR seems to think, how come that are zero reports of anyone getting sick from it? Yes, there may be "trace" amounts. Obviously not enough to cause any problems. Sounds to me like just more BS we don't need to worry about. Well, the FDA is looking into whether it might have long term effects, since arsenic is known to cause certain types of cancer, but there are no indications to suggest that levels are high enough to cause any immediate danger to the public: Link to FDASeems to me they're taking a serious look at it, so the concern, while still unsubstantiated, is likely to be legitimate. I'm more concerned that the FDA is involved than any real amount of arsenic that may be in my rice. Of course, it they can drive the price of rice so high that nobody can afford to buy it, that in itself will solve the problem. |
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 7, 2014 7:00:30 GMT
Interesting point, and only too happy to discuss...
If what I am reporting from is a single newspaper article, then its NOT reliable.
Take the line from the hunting of the snark, "What I say thrice times be true".....
I dont hold anyone who says something over and over again as a "Reliable" source....
If all the research I find points back to one article, its hardly reliable.
If MANY people have done some research and they all agree, then its reliable.
Its a case of can any independent source back up your claims, if the research I do is verified by several different sources, I can agree that they are reliable.
But this isnt about me.
This is about where I source all this media from.....
Which is why I say "I" cant find....
It doesnt mean no one else will, it just means I have put a little google at it, and I am not coming up with much.
I do limit the time I have on each search.... otherwise, you get lost out there... and I ant getting paid for this......?...?...
If I was, I would go much deeper.
So for me, "Reliable" is something I can point to that has several independent verifications.
What is it to you, what would you call reliable?...
And there is the reliability problem....
What is "Trace", is it cumulative, how long eating a bowl a day before you get sick, and how important is it.
I cant find "Reliable" answers... just "Hyperbole".....
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Post by OziRiS on Oct 7, 2014 10:58:05 GMT
Interesting point, and only too happy to discuss... If what I am reporting from is a single newspaper article, then its NOT reliable. Take the line from the hunting of the snark, "What I say thrice times be true"..... I dont hold anyone who says something over and over again as a "Reliable" source.... If all the research I find points back to one article, its hardly reliable. If MANY people have done some research and they all agree, then its reliable. Its a case of can any independent source back up your claims, if the research I do is verified by several different sources, I can agree that they are reliable. But this isnt about me. This is about where I source all this media from..... Which is why I say "I" cant find.... It doesnt mean no one else will, it just means I have put a little google at it, and I am not coming up with much. I do limit the time I have on each search.... otherwise, you get lost out there... and I ant getting paid for this......?...?... If I was, I would go much deeper. So for me, "Reliable" is something I can point to that has several independent verifications. What is it to you, what would you call reliable?... "Reliable", to me, doesn't necessarily mean that 200 different scientists have researched the same thing independently of each other. It means that someone somewhere has done a good job that's been peer reviewed, either by a lot of other people looking it over before it's published, if there's only one author, or by many people working together on the project to begin with, if there's more than one author, automatically reducing the risk of confirmation bias (note that I said "reducing the risk", not "eliminating" it - there's always the chance that all of those many people who have worked on the project were cherry picked for it because of their views). |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Oct 7, 2014 16:46:21 GMT
I'm eating Brown Rice now for lunch... I think I can taste the Arsenic and I'm pretty sure I'm about to croak...  |
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Post by the light works on Oct 7, 2014 17:49:33 GMT
he official answer as of the last time I was introduced to the issue is that you should not be continuously eating as much rice as you can hold, and nothing else, lest you eventually accumulate enough arsenic to cause an ill effect. - also that the arsenic has always been there in nearly all rice grown, but they have only recently developed sensitive enough instruments to measure it.
so yes, you should be no more concerned about the fact that there is arsenic in your rice than that the sun is on the process of a fusion reaction.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 7, 2014 21:00:54 GMT
he official answer as of the last time I was introduced to the issue is that you should not be continuously eating as much rice as you can hold, and nothing else, lest you eventually accumulate enough arsenic to cause an ill effect. - also that the arsenic has always been there in nearly all rice grown, but they have only recently developed sensitive enough instruments to measure it. so yes, you should be no more concerned about the fact that there is arsenic in your rice than that the sun is on the process of a fusion reaction. A few years ago, the Illinois EPA found trace amounts of PCB's in the ground water surrounding an adhesive manufacturing plant. They concluded that it must have been contamination from the plant and fined the plant multiple millions of dollars and opened the plant up to a whole rash of lawsuits from residents in the area saying that the adhesive plant ruined their well water. Later investigations showed that the ground water in the entire state had the same level of PCBs and that the reason it was never detected before is because until that time, they didn't have sensitive enough equipment to detect that low of a level. It was too late for the adhesive plant. They had long been sued out of business. And let's not spread the word on that fusion reaction thing. It will just give the global warming idiots something more to blame on mankind. |
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Post by mrfatso on Oct 7, 2014 21:07:51 GMT
It's a bit like the story of build up of Mercury in oily fish.
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Post by the light works on Oct 8, 2014 5:18:54 GMT
It's a bit like the story of build up of Mercury in oily fish. except you CAN eat enough fish to cause health problems. |
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Post by mrfatso on Oct 8, 2014 5:49:34 GMT
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 8, 2014 6:38:42 GMT
Reliable source, just to note, Lancet, BMJ, and other suitable scientific journals, although noting several publications in such magazines have since been proven wrong, at the time of publishing, most people accept that the articles within are published in good faith by people who do know what they are doing, and therefore are "Reliable".....
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