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Post by silverdragon on Oct 8, 2014 8:36:33 GMT
So can your IQ test result be the last word on how intelligent you are?...
Can it measure creative skills?....
Does it understand Social skills?...
Learned aptitude, General wisdom, or a whole host of other skills not measured?....
It can not in any way measure the skill I use to "Feel" a piece of wood and know its strength by flexing thats almost as accurate as a break test....
Nor can it measure my "Feel" for a road surface through the wheel of a vehicle.
Nor can it explain the long held "Myth" that I have psychic ability to predict "Aimers" (Any Impulsive Moore Real Soon)
I can teach you the prediction trick real easy if you have the aptitude to be willing to learn Vehicle Body Language...
Small example, On a straight road, anything hugging the divider line is about to go right, anything hugging the kerb is about to go left.
(Of course, swap that if you drive on the wrong side of the road?....)
So can we start with a list of things an IQ test can not measure.....
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Post by the light works on Oct 8, 2014 14:23:35 GMT
So can your IQ test result be the last word on how intelligent you are?... Can it measure creative skills?.... Does it understand Social skills?... Learned aptitude, General wisdom, or a whole host of other skills not measured?.... It can not in any way measure the skill I use to "Feel" a piece of wood and know its strength by flexing thats almost as accurate as a break test.... Nor can it measure my "Feel" for a road surface through the wheel of a vehicle. Nor can it explain the long held "Myth" that I have psychic ability to predict "Aimers" (Any Impulsive Moore Real Soon) I can teach you the prediction trick real easy if you have the aptitude to be willing to learn Vehicle Body Language... Small example, On a straight road, anything hugging the divider line is about to go right, anything hugging the kerb is about to go left. (Of course, swap that if you drive on the wrong side of the road?....) So can we start with a list of things an IQ test can not measure..... at its basis, IQ measures your ability to learn things. and by learn I mean render outside information usable in a situation that is not exactly the format the information was rendered in. case in point: given that when you drink water after eating spicy foods, it does not decrease the burning sensation and might increase it if it spreads the oils further. learning that will result in a person who draws the connection that if they eat a spicy food and the heat is not overwhelming, they can take a big gulp of water and it will freak out people whose only grasp is "must not drink water after spicy food" similarly, a high IQ will take the rule SD gave (hugging the divider plans to turn across the divider/hugging the curb plans to turn off the road) and extrapolate "a big vehicle will first drift away from the intended turn if the space they are turning into is confined" so IQ does not measure experience - it only measures the potential for doing something useful with experience. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 8, 2014 14:33:05 GMT
I have no doubt that some people are naturally more intelligent than others. It's just that I don't think you can really tell it by a simple test. Some people are better at taking tests than others. Especially when the test was designed by people that are good at taking IQ tests.
The real IQ test is when you die. How many people walk by your casket saying either, "He had a good life" or "he was an idiot"
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Post by Cybermortis on Oct 8, 2014 17:00:23 GMT
IQ tests simply show how good you are at taking an IQ test.
Experts will happily admit that beyond that they don't really tell you how smart someone really is, or in which directions an individuals intelligence tends to run.
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Post by the light works on Oct 8, 2014 17:05:00 GMT
to borrow form Winston Churchill: IQ tests are the worst measurement of intelligence, except for everything else we have tried.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 8, 2014 18:01:10 GMT
to borrow form Winston Churchill: IQ tests are the worst measurement of intelligence, except for everything else we have tried. And that's the point. Maybe we shouldn't even be trying. Stupid people are pretty much self evident. You don't need a written test to find them. Simple observation is all that is required. Which brings up another issue with IQ tests. Just because someone tested high on an IQ test, doesn't mean that person isn't stupid. I have a friend that has a very high IQ. He's even a member of Mensa. A fact that he will repeatedly point out. He's one of the stupidest people I know. Maybe what we really need is a test for common sense because if there was one, I'm sure my Mensa friend would score a big zero. And that would be on one of his good days. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Oct 8, 2014 18:34:25 GMT
Define 'smart' or for that matter 'stupid'. Keeping in mind that hindsight is always 20/20, so decisions have to be judged based on the information available to the individual at the time the decision was made.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 8, 2014 20:30:56 GMT
Define 'smart' or for that matter 'stupid'. Keeping in mind that hindsight is always 20/20, so decisions have to be judged based on the information available to the individual at the time the decision was made. Don't know how to define "smart" but as for stupid, all I can say is you know stupid when you see it. |
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Post by the light works on Oct 8, 2014 23:34:43 GMT
Define 'smart' or for that matter 'stupid'. Keeping in mind that hindsight is always 20/20, so decisions have to be judged based on the information available to the individual at the time the decision was made. Intelligent is knowing a tomato is a fruit. smart is not putting it in a fruit salad. |
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 9, 2014 6:35:05 GMT
Old guy I work with, he aint what some people will call the sharpest tool in the box, but, he sure knows how to wrap a cat.
He is the one who taught me to sheet and rope, he taught me the easiest way, he taught me the right way, "Think on some twir stood on yer cab wiv an 'ose, in a wind, yer have to stop im wettin yer load."
You have to think which way the wind will push the water, and where your overlaps will be.
He also can take one look at a piece of strange equipment and know exactly how to strap it down in the safest manner.
Experience has taught him all he needs to know, in Transport, he has reached a state of Karma it can only take experience to teach.
Wrap a Cat?... Cat is the trade name of some interesting pieces of site machinery, and he can strap down and wrap up any parts that need protection (Spares etc) before most people have worked out where to start.
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