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Post by breesfan on Feb 16, 2015 2:10:55 GMT
I forgot what the episode was titled {Title edited with the correct episode name - CM} but I have to admit, I didn't care for this one.
I didn't think it was possible to spin out and get a parking space like that but unless you are good at what you do, you can do it.
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Post by rmc on Feb 16, 2015 2:41:49 GMT
I forgot what the episode was titled but I have to admit, I didn't care for this one. I didn't think it was possible to spin out and get a parking space like that but unless you are good at what you do, you can do it. drifting episode???
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 16, 2015 2:47:06 GMT
The episode was entitled San Francisco Drift. I'll edit the title, and yes I can do that *evil laugh*
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Post by ironhold on Feb 16, 2015 3:23:27 GMT
I'm wondering why J&A didn't both attempt the 180 and rally course with both methods, as it would have been more scientifically proper.
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Post by breesfan on Feb 16, 2015 3:44:30 GMT
The episode was entitled San Francisco Drift. I'll edit the title, and yes I can do that *evil laugh* Thanks for fixing it.
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 16, 2015 3:51:54 GMT
No problem.
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Post by blazerrose on Feb 16, 2015 4:11:07 GMT
This was so ploddingly slow and not all that interesting of a topic. This one will not be one I squee over when I see it come up on my DVR listing like I did to see Blow Your Own Sail and Soda Cup Killer this morning.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Feb 16, 2015 15:24:35 GMT
I thought the on-screen graphics when they were introducing the guest expert were a little more intrusive.
Ironhold, I was wondering that myself. My best guess is that Jamie was having more trouble drifting the test car than Adam had, but since he was doing fine during instruction it would have been nice to spend 30 seconds airtime on an explanation.
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Post by the light works on Feb 17, 2015 1:38:06 GMT
my only complaint about the drifting bust was that I would have liked to see a competition on good traction and a competition on bad traction - mainly because my theory is that the result is traction dependent. - high traction, you are better maintaining grip. low traction you are basically using the terrain for reaction mass. (or, in other terminology, you are thinking of your car more like a boat.)
just a thought - don't we have a thread about this?
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 17, 2015 8:55:56 GMT
For drifting explained, watch the UK show of Top Gear. They pften explain how quick you can shred a set of tyres when you start to go sideways.
Yes we did have a thread about this, it was one of my suggestions a while back, is it quicker to drive normal round a corner or Drift.... I think the eventual conclusion was "It depends" Let me see if I can find that thread in the transport section....
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 17, 2015 9:20:14 GMT
To drift or not to drift. citadelofmyths.freeforums.net/thread/373/driftCyber locked the thread, as, ironically, we drifted. Drifted far from topic that is?... Hey, Cyber, you ever get round to trimming that one?... (answer is [no] ?..) Erm... is that my [second] mention in the hall of fame?.. Onwards. Drifting around corners, unless its unintentional and you have to control the drift, say on ice, but by control you manage to not hit anything, I say Drifting is stupid idea. Manage to not hit anything is rule one of driving.. Any day you manage that is an extra chalk mark on your own personal hall of fame and helps build a No-Claims bonus?... Its also not an option. If you CANT manage that, either find out why, and fix it, or get of the bloody road. For me, Drifting is not in any way a form of car control, you are out of control, but just barely managing to keep it out of the agriculture. Yes there are some pretty amazing drift teams that do this as a stunt, on closed sections of track, and thats where it should be kept. The ability to "handbrake" it into a parking space, having spoken to the one time UK holder of the smallest gap you could handbrake a Mini (Old style) into, I know it takes a LOT of practise to get right.... As I have mentioned a few times before, I have managed a section of Rally in a "scooby" (WRX Subaru), it was fun. The one thing I could never get to grips with is the handbrake turns, as I have an inbuilt reaction I cant ever loose to "Control" any sort of skid. Skid pan training was part of my driver experience when driving a Bus, and getting rid of all that learning is [impossibly] hard for me?... Yes I can control an unintentional drift around a corner on loose gravel, but the front end always stays pointing in the general direction I want it to go, I cant pre-load a car to arrive at a corner sideways... not on purpose anyway?... I tried, I failed, so I gave up, I found my limit. In the old thread, TLW stated.. And I think when all is said, that just about covers it. Later on I said I think that about covers my own inability to loose control on purpose. But... Dont get me wrong, I will watch quite happily a drift team or even Travis Pastrana and the like, give it all they can, and especially those who do complete sideways WRX, Colin McRrae was one of my personal hero's. Because they can do what I can not.... Well, not on any real road anyway, I can get some good times in Xbox gaming, but in that, there is a reset button.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Feb 17, 2015 14:22:49 GMT
I was not surprised by the results. I definitely did not think drifting would get from start to finish faster than standard cornering. If anything, I ezxpected drifting to take longer due to loss/change in momentum during the drift; in addition, you have centrifugal force & rotational inertia acting against you, trying to pull you to the outside of the corner.
I don't think this episode was quite up to MB standards. It had its interesting moments, but perhaps this was not a concept worthy of a dedicated episode.
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Post by the light works on Feb 17, 2015 16:08:49 GMT
in short, I felt they wasted a lot of screen time on banging into the scenery and missed the opportunity to study more circumstances under which deliberate drift may or may not have been a benefit.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Feb 17, 2015 16:11:31 GMT
in short, I felt they wasted a lot of screen time on banging into the scenery and missed the opportunity to study more circumstances under which deliberate drift may or may not have been a benefit. Extrapolating the concept to include correcting unintentional drift in slick or slippery road conditions would have been beneficial.
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 17, 2015 16:30:15 GMT
To drift or not to drift. citadelofmyths.freeforums.net/thread/373/driftCyber locked the thread, as, ironically, we drifted. Drifted far from topic that is?... Hey, Cyber, you ever get round to trimming that one?... (answer is [no] ?..) Erm... is that my [second] mention in the hall of fame?.. Thread moved to hall of fame. And yes that is your second mention in the hall.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Feb 17, 2015 16:41:50 GMT
To drift or not to drift. citadelofmyths.freeforums.net/thread/373/driftCyber locked the thread, as, ironically, we drifted. Drifted far from topic that is?... Hey, Cyber, you ever get round to trimming that one?... (answer is [no] ?..) Erm... is that my [second] mention in the hall of fame?.. Thread moved to hall of fame. And yes that is your second mention in the hall. Steve Buschemi applauds you
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 18, 2015 7:42:16 GMT
I agree with everyone that this wasn't the most interesting episode in terms of the science. That being said, I always enjoy seeing the guys have this much fun. I mean, how often do you get Jamie doing a piece to camera with a southern accent? It may be that he's just getting more accustomed to the performance part of the job through the tours, but I'd like to think of Jamie as someone who only does this kind of stuff when he's truly having fun and that - to me - is a treat to watch
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 18, 2015 7:57:03 GMT
[edit... because of later post, the meaning of this post has changed, and this is to be read as questions on perhaps a redo of the myth, using perhaps more professional drivers. As in, could a professional rally driver do a tarmac section using rally techniques (avoid drift as much as possible) compared to a prof. Drifter....]I was not surprised by the results. I definitely did not think drifting would get from start to finish faster than standard cornering. If anything, I ezxpected drifting to take longer due to loss/change in momentum during the drift; in addition, you have centrifugal force & rotational inertia acting against you, trying to pull you to the outside of the corner. I don't think this episode was quite up to MB standards. It had its interesting moments, but perhaps this was not a concept worthy of a dedicated episode. I have not seen the episode yet, but, I have questions. If the drifter finished the course first,.... 1) who were they racing?... If the answer was someone like me, with a little race track experience but non competitive, then, I say bogus result. If the answer was a race driver, I say plausible. If the answer was "The Stig", some say he sleeps upside down like a bat and has no idea what an Oyster card is for. He also could perhaps set a lap record you would have very little chance of beating.... either way.... 2) what surface?... if the answer is loose gravel, then yes, Rally style drift is often needed to corner on loose surfaces. If Tarmac, what were they racing?.. if "black snot" race prep tyres on proper car with added downforce, on a race track surface, I say result plausible. If the same car as the drifter, and exactly the same car, I say Busted, as the cars used by drifters, to pinch a phrase from TLW, those cars "Hide" from grip.... they are encouraged to NOT have downforce to aid loose adhesion?... Different horses for different courses. A proper race car on the right track will always beat a drifter. 3) what type of course was it?.. There are some layouts where a drifter will win. If the course was biased towards drift.....
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 18, 2015 8:14:29 GMT
To drift or not to drift. citadelofmyths.freeforums.net/thread/373/driftCyber locked the thread, as, ironically, we drifted. Drifted far from topic that is?... Hey, Cyber, you ever get round to trimming that one?... (answer is [no] ?..) Erm... is that my [second] mention in the hall of fame?.. Thread moved to hall of fame. And yes that is your second mention in the hall. The way he says it, it sounds like I just got a detention...... Edit, I also think it may deserve a trim?...
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 18, 2015 8:47:02 GMT
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