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Post by silverdragon on May 12, 2015 7:55:58 GMT
Prank or assault? This subject has been asked of me, as in "How would you feel?".... www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31972380These are pranksters with no prior warning who you would not recognise. Dependant on what just happened, I may react violently. One of the pranks involves handcuffing someone to a briefcase and telling them it contains an explosive.... Is this for real? People find this sh*t funny?... When asked how I would react it would be pound them to pulp with the briefcase...?... One of the marks in that video (on the site) was a foreign diplomat, the prankster got a month jail for that. This may not be an intentional action, its a reaction, but thinking on it afterwards, I think they may deserve that anyway. I have pranked people in the past, I have caused high hilarity, I have NEVER endangered anyones life, I have always made sure I know the person I am pranking would react well to the idea. So to just run up and pick someone else up and run off with them, a complete stranger, or threaten them with an explosive device?... OK, so, up until recently, I worked closely with highly volatile substances, until my own state of mental health caught up with me, and finding myself in front of a dozen tons of Fuel standing on the brakes trying not to punt a small car who just pulled out on me into the next postcode, or the next lifetime dependant on how much of a bang that made, I realised I wasnt getting paid enough for this. Am I just too sensitive? Or is this stuff just not that funny.
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Post by mrfatso on May 12, 2015 10:47:29 GMT
Yes you are right under English law it is a form of assault to unlawfully touch someone so touching their beard or handcuffing them is an assault. It is why things escalate into Aggravated Assault, Actually Bodily Harm and Grievous Bodily Harm if harm is caused depending on the severity.
It is one thing to play a joke on family or friends but a stranger no.
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Post by OziRiS on May 12, 2015 18:20:27 GMT
If you want to play jokes on strangers, fine. But say something strange to them or show them something weird and unbelievable that will drop their jaws.
DO NOT TOUCH OR THREATEN THEM!!!
If a stranger came up to me on the street and started touching my beard, I'd swat their hand away and tell them to stop. If they tried again, they would end up on the ground.
If a stranger came up to me and handcuffed a briefcase to my wrist and told me there was a bomb inside, I'd beat them to a pulp with the briefcase and search them for a key to the handcuffs.
Simple as that.
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Post by breesfan on May 12, 2015 19:09:58 GMT
I don't know about other countries but in the US, if they handcuff you and take you somewhere that you wee not willing to, it could be kidnapping. I think anyone would swat their hand if they started to touch them.
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Post by mrfatso on May 12, 2015 20:58:40 GMT
I don't know about other countries but in the US, if they handcuff you and take you somewhere that you wee not willing to, it could be kidnapping. I think anyone would swat their hand if they started to touch them. It is not so much handcuffing you and taking you somewhere but handcuffing you to something, one of those cases that people like bank couriers sometimes use. Kidnapping does not really apply. Swatting their hand depends on your reflexes they are coming at you knowing what they intend to do, you have to react to that, I probably would be like OziRiS and Silverdragon and clobber them after the fact, and claim self defence.
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Post by Cybermortis on May 12, 2015 23:55:37 GMT
Even if you ignore the legal aspects, logic should tell you that walking up to a total stranger and trying to touch them could put you in hospital. Consider if your intended target happens to have self-defense or combat training. Their instictive reaction is not going to be swatting your hand, its going to be twisting your arm off and slamming your head into the ground at high speed.
As for telling someone the briefcase you just cuffed to their hand contains an explosive device...congratulations. You've just committed an act of terrorisim. Lets see if you still find that funny when you get out of jail in about 20 years time....
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Post by the light works on May 13, 2015 0:30:30 GMT
I like the idea of seeing how many hits their youtube video of them getting beaten to a bloody pulp gets.
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Post by ponytail61 on May 13, 2015 0:33:07 GMT
Lets see if you still find that funny when you get out of jail in about 20 years time.... Where you will find out first hand what it's liked to be touched by strangers
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Post by ironhold on May 13, 2015 1:50:59 GMT
If they tried something like this in the wrong part of Texas, one or more individuals would wind up in the morgue.
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Post by the light works on May 13, 2015 2:15:12 GMT
If they tried something like this in the wrong part of Texas, one or more individuals would wind up in the morgue. you make a good argument for proliferation of sidearms
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Post by ironhold on May 13, 2015 4:32:04 GMT
If they tried something like this in the wrong part of Texas, one or more individuals would wind up in the morgue. you make a good argument for proliferation of sidearms Sidearms? In some parts of Texas, knives are astoundingly common by "civilized" standards. You're looking at a wide spectrum that encompasses multi-tools, utility blades, jackknives, and even hunting knives. And this is just what people actively & routinely carry on their persons. Yeah - if these folks had tried it here in Texas, they'd have been dead before they hit the ground.
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Post by silverdragon on May 13, 2015 6:29:47 GMT
If they tried something like this in the wrong part of Texas, one or more individuals would wind up in the morgue. you make a good argument for proliferation of sidearms Sidearms?... well, I walk with a stick, does getting that swung at you at more than a cricket fastball count as armed and dangerous?...
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Post by the light works on May 13, 2015 11:18:30 GMT
you make a good argument for proliferation of sidearms Sidearms? In some parts of Texas, knives are astoundingly common by "civilized" standards. You're looking at a wide spectrum that encompasses multi-tools, utility blades, jackknives, and even hunting knives. And this is just what people actively & routinely carry on their persons. Yeah - if these folks had tried it here in Texas, they'd have been dead before they hit the ground. well, yeah, most of the adult population of Oregon carries some form of knife.
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Post by Cybermortis on May 13, 2015 11:27:23 GMT
Knives are a consistent weapon used in assults and murders, and one who's 'popularity' has increased somewhat at the same time gun crime has been falling. This is a direct result of harsher laws concerning firearms, which make knives a somewhat 'safer' weapon for people to carry. Laws restricting knives are hard to enforce because, as noted, people do have reasons for carrying a blade beyond self defense. For example I carried a knife when I used to work nights, and the knife in question was slightly longer than what was technically allowed - something two different police officers told me on two different occasions. They, however, understood that I A; Hadn't realised this and B: Actually needed a knife because my job required me to open boxes and newspapers. I eventually invested in a Webley knife* with a shorter (and legal) blade...only for them to take one look at it and ask me to go back to the longer one as while it was longer the blade wasn't as dangerous.
(*That's Webley as in the same company who made/makes firearms. They actually started out making blades - a fair number of dress swords/blades made for the British armed forces are made by them)
I also walk with a cane and have a small collection of them, most having been picked up in charity shops. One of these is a homemade cane that as far as I can tell was made from an old wooden plank, most likely the mantle from an old fireplace. This one is solid oak, weighs twice as much as anything else I have (including one made from steel) and has a short handle with a nice sharp edge. If I were to belt someone with that they'd know it, or not depending on where I hit them.
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Post by the light works on May 13, 2015 11:47:31 GMT
Knives are a consistent weapon used in assults and murders, and one who's 'popularity' has increased somewhat at the same time gun crime has been falling. This is a direct result of harsher laws concerning firearms, which make knives a somewhat 'safer' weapon for people to carry. Laws restricting knives are hard to enforce because, as noted, people do have reasons for carrying a blade beyond self defense. For example I carried a knife when I used to work nights, and the knife in question was slightly longer than what was technically allowed - something two different police officers told me on two different occasions. They, however, understood that I A; Hadn't realised this and B: Actually needed a knife because my job required me to open boxes and newspapers. I eventually invested in a Webley knife* with a shorter (and legal) blade...only for them to take one look at it and ask me to go back to the longer one as while it was longer the blade wasn't as dangerous. (*That's Webley as in the same company who made/makes firearms. They actually started out making blades - a fair number of dress swords/blades made for the British armed forces are made by them) I also walk with a cane and have a small collection of them, most having been picked up in charity shops. One of these is a homemade cane that as far as I can tell was made from an old wooden plank, most likely the mantle from an old fireplace. This one is solid oak, weighs twice as much as anything else I have (including one made from steel) and has a short handle with a nice sharp edge. If I were to belt someone with that they'd know it, or not depending on where I hit them. I seem to recall having owned a sword cane at some time. no idea where it is, which is true of most things I remember having owned.
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Post by ironhold on May 13, 2015 17:20:29 GMT
One of my friends collects antique weapons.
He was staying at someone else's house one night, and brought a few pieces from his collection with him to show off to his host.
Well, a group of individuals decided to rob the house that very same night.
Did I mention that my friend used to work "private security"?
The guy who served as rear-guard for the robbers survived the encounter, but will likely spend the rest of his life confined to a wheelchair.
Welcome to Texas.
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Post by silverdragon on May 14, 2015 4:46:42 GMT
This I did not know.
Hang on... You are a regular here, you know Manchester as well as I do, you are tall, and you walk with a stick, of which you own several?... Are you sure you aint me?...
My nicest piece of stick has an Ash pole with a brass "Ducks head" handle. Heavy?.. you wouldnt want me to drop it on your foot.... (experience says it stings a lot...) Some of mine are willow, some ash, some oak, one or two hard pine.
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Post by silverdragon on May 14, 2015 4:50:31 GMT
One of my friends collects antique weapons. He was staying at someone else's house one night, and brought a few pieces from his collection with him to show off to his host. Well, a group of individuals decided to rob the house that very same night. Did I mention that my friend used to work "private security"? The guy who served as rear-guard for the robbers survived the encounter, but will likely spend the rest of his life confined to a wheelchair. Welcome to Texas. One of my acquaintances own some serious bits of antique artillery.... His "Joke" piece is an old six foot cannon he keeps in his hallway. With a period dressed dummy as the fireman. Pointed at the front door. Its in working condition, although he assures me it isnt loaded?... He says its the best anti-burgular alarm he ever had, as most people out out something the first time the see it?...
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Post by WhutScreenName on Apr 4, 2019 15:18:01 GMT
It's been 4 years since this thread was created. So much has changed with the world, I wonder if everyone's opinion is the same?
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Post by ironhold on Apr 4, 2019 16:37:09 GMT
Pretty much, I'd say.
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