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Post by silverdragon on Aug 22, 2015 8:53:48 GMT
I found this on the photo gallery site. It has been edited for brevity, it may not be complete?... www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/photos/unfinished-business-gallery/Hmmm... the driving thing, shame, that would have been another hall of fame thing?... But I know as a world champ at the Tiger Woods PGA game that the golf thing will be interesting.... It does teach you club choice and how to allow for wind, but it sure DONT help you in how to swing the club, so I am expecting a minor "Fail" on that one?... but I hope they enjoy the walk.! Hollow Caltrops.... "Someone" deserves a hall of fame, that was suggested on here?... |
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Post by breesfan on Aug 22, 2015 23:07:42 GMT
I double checked the recording, should be no issues and it looks like it's going to record.
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Post by the light works on Aug 22, 2015 23:54:52 GMT
perhaps they are going to do Wii golf. of course, I've found Wii golf makes me play like I play real golf.
the PTD myth was for shooter games, which would also be handicapped in that they can already shoot, too.
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Post by ironhold on Aug 23, 2015 2:36:46 GMT
I think the big thing that hurt Jamie was that he was using a wand instead of a weighted controller club.
IMHO, a possible re-visit might involve Jaime turning the wand into something with the approximate weight and size of a real club, and then handing it off to a volunteer or a staff member.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 23, 2015 5:07:31 GMT
I have been "World champ" sine the original PGA tour by EA Games, on X-Box since 06, PS2 before that.
I tried the wii thing, and didnt like it, mainly because if you know the trick, you can twiddle the wii controller sitting down even, and having taken to an actual golf course post-game to try this out, as my good friend has a set of Taylor-made (Brand name) clubs, it only seamed sensible....
Yes I know which club was which, thanks to the game, I also know which club is supposed to do what, and why.
But I hook and slice like any good n00b.....
I had to learn proper club control.
My friend was good enough to stop giggling long enough to tell me what to do.
I was good enough to stop giggling long enough to take his advice.
We both had a reasonably hilarious but sometimes uncontrollable "address the holy hand-grenade of Antioch", and "Four is the shout, not five, nor three, unless you count on to FOUR" complete laugh at my woeful attempt to get anywhere near a straight line.
This was on a driving range....
We did note that the closest neighbours on the range were taking great interest in our laughter, so, told them what we were up to.
They applauded my efforts, gave some tips, were really nice, and generally joined in the hilarity.
Especially when I got on to the wedges.
Bum note, for a joke, I took my walking stick, turned it upside down, and managed a lot better with that than I imagined.....
When my back decided that I really shouldn't be doing this, we retired to the 19th.
But a good hour on the driving range provided all the research I needed... 300yds in the game, nowhere near past 100 yds with any sort of accuracy on the range.
But I was quite accurate when allowing for wind.
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Post by the light works on Aug 23, 2015 14:27:55 GMT
I have been "World champ" sine the original PGA tour by EA Games, on X-Box since 06, PS2 before that. I tried the wii thing, and didnt like it, mainly because if you know the trick, you can twiddle the wii controller sitting down even, and having taken to an actual golf course post-game to try this out, as my good friend has a set of Taylor-made (Brand name) clubs, it only seamed sensible.... Yes I know which club was which, thanks to the game, I also know which club is supposed to do what, and why. But I hook and slice like any good n00b..... I had to learn proper club control. My friend was good enough to stop giggling long enough to tell me what to do. I was good enough to stop giggling long enough to take his advice. We both had a reasonably hilarious but sometimes uncontrollable "address the holy hand-grenade of Antioch", and "Four is the shout, not five, nor three, unless you count on to FOUR" complete laugh at my woeful attempt to get anywhere near a straight line. This was on a driving range.... We did note that the closest neighbours on the range were taking great interest in our laughter, so, told them what we were up to. They applauded my efforts, gave some tips, were really nice, and generally joined in the hilarity. Especially when I got on to the wedges. Bum note, for a joke, I took my walking stick, turned it upside down, and managed a lot better with that than I imagined..... When my back decided that I really shouldn't be doing this, we retired to the 19th. But a good hour on the driving range provided all the research I needed... 300yds in the game, nowhere near past 100 yds with any sort of accuracy on the range. But I was quite accurate when allowing for wind. so what you are saying is they taught you a bit about how to properly play golf, and you taught them a bit about how to play golf properly. |
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Post by the light works on Aug 23, 2015 15:51:58 GMT
golf: they compared Jamie training on a golf simulator game to Adam training with an instructor. my only critique - it would have been nice to have a third tester on a common home video game; and they should have given them a baseline instruction on the rules of the game.
tire spikes: those turned out to be easy to make.
Get a grip: is it that difficult to hold the spoon down on a grenade? I guess I didn't see the show that was from, so I would never have thought of it.
tire spikes: I'm impressed with how well they worked - but really, it is a more brutal version of what the police use, so yeah.
Quick load: I immediately saw some technique issues with A&J's reloads. the thing you didn't see either in the movies or on the test - the best shooters know how many rounds they've fired, and change mags when the last one is in the pipe. of course, that is harder to do in a full rapid fire scenario.
Golf tip: you only yell FORE if there is someone at risk.
Golf: the weakness of the game, after viewing it, is that the motion control wand really didn't have the same response as the club, nor did it really catch the mechanics of the swing. So while Jamie got his speed up, he really had no chance to fine tune his clubhead action.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 23, 2015 18:51:56 GMT
I somehow doubt you could beat me in that regards.
Back when I was playing the course in question used small concrete blocks to show where the tees where. On one occasion I sliced the ball so badly I hit one of the blocks and had to walk back to the green I'd just come off, which was behind me, and apologize to the bemused group standing there. They'd settled in to start putting when my ball came flying out of nowhere and stopped three inches from the hole.
The same group caught up with us at the next tee, and just to rub salt into the wound when I came up to tee off everyone took cover behind their golf bags.
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Post by breesfan on Aug 23, 2015 21:59:16 GMT
Golf? Really? I have to confess, I fast forwarded through most of it but did wonder why Jamie was using that wand instead of maybe a club. His swing looked awful.
I don't remember the tire tack episode but then maybe it was a long time ago. It was interesting though and kinda cool to watch them drive around.
Grenade thing, it's true that the lady did have something to use but what was the hostage taker doing during that episode?
The gun thing, I think it's if you are used to shooting and knowing when you are on your last bullet you are ready to get the clip.
Anyone remember a suggestion made on twitter to send in ideas?
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 23, 2015 23:59:55 GMT
I don't know how to feel about a large part of this episode. The golf thing was well done, but the rest? Meh... The grenade thing seemed stupid from the beginning and I wasn't surprised when they showed a clip from the movie/TV show it was from. I'm embarrased to admit it, but that's a Danish gig and Danish film makers are notorious for being about 10-20 years behind most film makers from other countries when it comes to what's known about what can and can't be done in real life. Most movie and TV explosions in stuff produced in Denmark still looks like something out an 80s B-movie. I haven't seen the thing myself, because I make it a point to stay away from domestically produced stuff for that very reason. It's not a pretentious, "I'd rather be living in another country, because this one sucks"-thing. It's just that movies and TV produced here are not good and they never have been. Side note on that one: Am I the only one who was mildly disturbed by Adam in pantyhose and a skirt?  The tire spike myth was kind of cool. You can't really call it a revisit, because I still think they stayed true to the original myth in their first test, but it was cool to see such a small design change make such a huge difference. And then there's quick reloading. Why would people not believe that's possible? Is it just because they can't do it themselves? When I was training to go to Iraq back in early 08, quick reloads were part of the training. Even though I was a radio tech and not supposed to be in the line of fire for most of my deployment, I still needed the training in case something went horribly wrong (and I did unfortunately end up needing that training). Within just a couple of days of tactical reloading training, I went from almost an 8 second reload of my sidearm (9mm H&K USP Tactical) to around 3 seconds and from almost 12 seconds on my M4 to around 4 seconds and I was FAR from the fastest and most skilled among the 25 of us training together, I can tell you that! One of the guys was so good, he's now the primary weapons instructor for the Jaeger Corps (Danish special forces). He could easily do what Travis did in the episode, but he could do it in full tactical gear during combat. He'd trained so much it was second nature to him. All that being said, what irks me most about the episode was that none of the bigger revisits we've requested here were done. Things where it could actually be argued that they did, in fact, do it wrong the first time. In that regard, I have a personal investment in them revisiting the "Fear Sound" myth they did in the Halloween special a couple of years ago. I'll accept whatever the results of their testing the day they test it right, which they most definitely did NOT do in that episode. As some of you may remember, another user on the old Disco board originally proposed the myth, but I advocated strongly for it to be tested. In fact, I did more to get it noticed by the researchers than the original poster did. I did a lot of research on the subject and provided them with several links to PDF documents detailing the circumstances under which the phenomenon had been observed, yet not a single one of those circumstances were in any way replicated in the testing. The best one of the PDFs had freakin' drawings and exact measurements of the room in which the phenomenon had not only been observed, but the mythical source of the phenomenon had reportedly been found and they couldn't even get a single part of the circumstances right?! Are you kidding me?! In my opinion, it's the most epically failed test they've ever done and it seems to me that the reason for it ending up failing so horribly was because they focused more on the aesthetics than the actual test. It seemed like it was more important to them to find/create a spooky environment to test in than to actually replicate the circumstances of the myth and it's annoyed me immensely ever since. It p*sses me off so much that I can't even watch the episode anymore! If anything needs retesting, it's that one and if any of the show's researchers read this, I can't find all the original links anymore, but I still have one of the PDFs (a scientific paper done by researchers at Coventry University) on my harddrive, so feel free to contact me if you want a copy. EDIT: Just to underline this as thoroughly as possible again: It's not the result I'm dissatisfied with. It's the fact that not a single one of the circumstances of the myth was replicated in any way that made it a viable test of anything. If you ever do this one over and do the testing right this time, I'll gladly accept whatever results you come up with. |
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 24, 2015 5:41:49 GMT
I seam to remember back in my range days we were taught quick reloads, and to have the next magazine to hand, know where the release is, "Forget" the old magazine (You pick it up afterwards) get a new one in and resume firing.
Ok, Ok, Ok, this was the old 7.62 SLR, and the rifle was a 3.03 Enfield, I didnt get much hand-gun in as I only had to be proficient for "Behind the lines" work, but we were drilled to know and react so we could change things "In the dark".
So quick change?... I cant see why not.
Anyone who relies on their armoury knows how to use it?.... and knows how to use it at the best of its ability.
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Post by blazerrose on Aug 24, 2015 5:59:42 GMT
Golf? Really? I have to confess, I fast forwarded through most of it but did wonder why Jamie was using that wand instead of maybe a club. His swing looked awful. I don't remember the tire tack episode but then maybe it was a long time ago. It was interesting though and kinda cool to watch them drive around. Grenade thing, it's true that the lady did have something to use but what was the hostage taker doing during that episode? The gun thing, I think it's if you are used to shooting and knowing when you are on your last bullet you are ready to get the clip. Anyone remember a suggestion made on twitter to send in ideas? the tire tacks appeared first in the original Spy Car Escape episode when they were driving all over Fort Ord. |
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 24, 2015 6:20:56 GMT
The tyre tacks and HOLLOW ones are something suggested right after that episode aired...
[possible?..I think it may have even been me?] that put forward the fact on the board at that time that they now use spike strips with hollow needles to quickly deflate tyres.
I think it was also mentioned they are now even using Nets that wrap around the tyres and wheels (and brakes and undercarriage) that also help disable vehicles.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 24, 2015 10:50:29 GMT
The tyre tacks and HOLLOW ones are something suggested right after that episode aired... [possible?..I think it may have even been me?] that put forward the fact on the board at that time that they now use spike strips with hollow needles to quickly deflate tyres. I think it was also mentioned they are now even using Nets that wrap around the tyres and wheels (and brakes and undercarriage) that also help disable vehicles. If you go to discovery.com/mythbusters and find the aftershow for this episode, they read a "letter" (probably something posted to Fakebook or Twitter) from a guy claiming to have come up with the idea and advocating for it to be tested for years. I'm not saying you didn't come up with it, just that you're apparently not the only one. |
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Post by the light works on Aug 24, 2015 14:07:45 GMT
I seam to remember back in my range days we were taught quick reloads, and to have the next magazine to hand, know where the release is, "Forget" the old magazine (You pick it up afterwards) get a new one in and resume firing. Ok, Ok, Ok, this was the old 7.62 SLR, and the rifle was a 3.03 Enfield, I didnt get much hand-gun in as I only had to be proficient for "Behind the lines" work, but we were drilled to know and react so we could change things "In the dark". So quick change?... I cant see why not. Anyone who relies on their armoury knows how to use it?.... and knows how to use it at the best of its ability. I was taught by a civilian instructor, and my training was the only time a mag hits the ground is if there is a problem with it. you bring the new mag up before you drop the old one - palm one and feed the other and drop the empty into your "empty mag" pocket. |
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Post by Antigone68104 on Aug 24, 2015 15:22:35 GMT
After the "driving on rims" test, I expected Adam to be able to continue to drive after his tires were flattened. I couldn't quite tell if the deflated tires were snagging on the undercarriage or if his car was dragging on the ground. The second didn't happen in the rims vs manhole covers drive-off, but spy movies do tend to use the sportiest car they can talk a manufacturer out of for product placement, and ground clearance doesn't appear to be a priority.
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Post by the light works on Aug 24, 2015 15:35:34 GMT
After the "driving on rims" test, I expected Adam to be able to continue to drive after his tires were flattened. I couldn't quite tell if the deflated tires were snagging on the undercarriage or if his car was dragging on the ground. The second didn't happen in the rims vs manhole covers drive-off, but spy movies do tend to use the sportiest car they can talk a manufacturer out of for product placement, and ground clearance doesn't appear to be a priority. I think, based on the under car shots, that the tires came so loose that things jammed up |
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Post by breesfan on Aug 24, 2015 17:54:19 GMT
Golf? Really? I have to confess, I fast forwarded through most of it but did wonder why Jamie was using that wand instead of maybe a club. His swing looked awful. I don't remember the tire tack episode but then maybe it was a long time ago. It was interesting though and kinda cool to watch them drive around. Grenade thing, it's true that the lady did have something to use but what was the hostage taker doing during that episode? The gun thing, I think it's if you are used to shooting and knowing when you are on your last bullet you are ready to get the clip. Anyone remember a suggestion made on twitter to send in ideas? the tire tacks appeared first in the original Spy Car Escape episode when they were driving all over Fort Ord. That must have been before I became a fan of the show or I somehow missed the episode. |
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 24, 2015 20:20:29 GMT
the tire tacks appeared first in the original Spy Car Escape episode when they were driving all over Fort Ord. That must have been before I became a fan of the show or I somehow missed the episode. It was aired in the 2010 season |
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 25, 2015 5:53:55 GMT
I seam to remember back in my range days we were taught quick reloads, and to have the next magazine to hand, know where the release is, "Forget" the old magazine (You pick it up afterwards) get a new one in and resume firing. Ok, Ok, Ok, this was the old 7.62 SLR, and the rifle was a 3.03 Enfield, I didnt get much hand-gun in as I only had to be proficient for "Behind the lines" work, but we were drilled to know and react so we could change things "In the dark". So quick change?... I cant see why not. Anyone who relies on their armoury knows how to use it?.... and knows how to use it at the best of its ability. I was taught by a civilian instructor, and my training was the only time a mag hits the ground is if there is a problem with it. you bring the new mag up before you drop the old one - palm one and feed the other and drop the empty into your "empty mag" pocket. Were you stood up or prone?... My training was always lying down, so its not so much as drop, as put to one side. (Out of the way..) |
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