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Post by silverdragon on Aug 27, 2017 7:47:31 GMT
Batman can call a cloud of bats when he wants a distraction made?.
Can you do that?. why yes probably you can, if you know the right calls to make. [1]
Bats listen in on their comrades hunting.
Copied from elsewhere.... posted here for possible perusal.
Was this just a coincidence, or, was it that we attracted bats by ultra-sound of bats hunting?.
We repeated a few nights later to see if this worked,
Took 15 mins that time, but we got bats.
We suspect that as bats are wide ranging in their hunt, it may take a while to get a fly-past interest in our audio broadcast, as we didnt broadcast amplified, as we are concerned about the sensitivity of Bats hearing "close up" to an over driven broadcast signal?.
We dont want deaf bats.
Again, it could have been coincidence.
But how to test further?.
[1]additional idea From later on in the thread
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Post by the light works on Aug 27, 2017 15:09:35 GMT
the response theory would be that bats not only use their vocalizations to "see" but also for communication. - so what you broadcat may not have been just hunting noises, but also a "there is food here" general call. has you discovered the bat dinner bell?
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 27, 2017 15:28:47 GMT
Could be an actual dinner bell. But it also could be that bats are just attracted to other bat's sonar pings used for navigation. Would be interesting to have a "batty" expert analyze the sounds.
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Post by the light works on Aug 27, 2017 16:01:32 GMT
Could be an actual dinner bell. But it also could be that bats are just attracted to other bat's sonar pings used for navigation. Would be interesting to have a "batty" expert analyze the sounds. yep, it's a good question. |
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 28, 2017 7:14:51 GMT
The genuine response I have had from suggesting such to bat "experts" is "Now thats interesting".
They know all about where they live, how they hunt, but not how they communicate.
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 28, 2017 12:18:59 GMT
The genuine response I have had from suggesting such to bat "experts" is "Now thats interesting". They know all about where they live, how they hunt, but not how they communicate. And the bats probably prefer it that way. |
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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2017 13:39:41 GMT
The genuine response I have had from suggesting such to bat "experts" is "Now thats interesting". They know all about where they live, how they hunt, but not how they communicate. And the bats probably prefer it that way. now they'll have to start watching their language. |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 12, 2017 7:28:27 GMT
I like this idea, but does it come with an actual myth that we can use to "sell it", or is it just a great idea for an interesting experiment?
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 12, 2017 10:44:34 GMT
The "Myth" is that bats are not communal hunters.
This is part of the ongoing research into animal behaviour, and do certain breeds hunt in packs, or solo.
Also part of the myth that I cant answer, do they do it on purpose?.
Dolphins and Whales have been found to hunt in packs to create a ball of a shoal that tires its self out by trying to keep safety in numbers and then eventually its easier to pick off the weaker ones.
Perhaps Bats do similar?. Create mass panic in a flock of bugs, and the communally pick off the weaker prey?..
This I just do not know...
And I dont know if anyone else does?.
I have searched online, and results are "sparse", and not definitive, as far as I can find.?..
But I do believe collectively we may have come up with something that maybe could be tested to see if it works.
The myth that I may have created myself by possibly getting close to identifying a bats "Hunting call"...
I think what I have got here is not worth using, because we are not seeing bats around here at this time.
This needs to be tested on a known bat colony at a known hunting ground, and tested a few times to see if it works.
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 13, 2017 9:20:37 GMT
Well, I'm sold. I think it would make interesting TV to see if you could call a flock of bats in whenever you want.
Hold on a moment...
Didn't Batman have a device for that in the first Chris Nolan movie? Maybe that's our way in on this...?
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Post by the light works on Sept 13, 2017 10:08:02 GMT
Well, I'm sold. I think it would make interesting TV to see if you could call a flock of bats in whenever you want. Hold on a moment... Didn't Batman have a device for that in the first Chris Nolan movie? Maybe that's our way in on this...? because to the modern juvenile, there is no difference between a myth and a movie trope. |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 13, 2017 13:05:04 GMT
Well, I'm sold. I think it would make interesting TV to see if you could call a flock of bats in whenever you want. Hold on a moment... Didn't Batman have a device for that in the first Chris Nolan movie? Maybe that's our way in on this...? because to the modern juvenile, there is no difference between a myth and a movie trope. Well, as i said, I think this is interesting enough as it is, but yeah. They kind of need to make it interesting to a wider audience, so going with a popular movie as the reason might do that for them. That said, I don't know that this is a "trope" as such. It's pretty specific to this Batman movie, as far as I know. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 13, 2017 13:45:45 GMT
because to the modern juvenile, there is no difference between a myth and a movie trope. Well, as i said, I think this is interesting enough as it is, but yeah. They kind of need to make it interesting to a wider audience, so going with a popular movie as the reason might do that for them. That said, I don't know that this is a "trope" as such. It's pretty specific to this Batman movie, as far as I know. I was just making a comment on the level of intellect the average person seems to have, nowadays. |
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 13, 2017 13:49:32 GMT
With the up coming Justice League movie an episode of hero related myths might make a good hook.
If bat calling is one of them are there any others we can think of?
It might be hard I know as many rely on what are basically "magic" powers.
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Post by the light works on Sept 13, 2017 14:02:16 GMT
With the up coming Justice League movie an episode of hero related myths might make a good hook. If bat calling is one of them are there any others we can think of? It might be hard I know as many rely on what are basically "magic" powers. it is what makes Batman a good source for material. he is what is known as a "talented normal" which means anything he uses should be able to be done in the real world (apart from miniaturization, power supplies, etc) |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 13, 2017 20:53:06 GMT
Exactly. Batman could be a great source of stuff for the Mythbusters, because he's all about gadgets and training, not magical superpowers. Basically, if you had the will, training, money and connections Bruce Wayne has, you could be Batman.
The same argument could be made about Ironman, except arc reactor...
It would be fun if they made an entire Batman themed episode, trying things from the entire movie franchise going back to the late 80s and maybe even taking some stuff from the 60s TV show if anyone can find anything good from there.
The biggest problem I could imagine with that would be getting the rights to show clips from the movies, but I guess if the producers of the show are smart in how they go about that, they could appeal to the studios that hold the rights that testing Batman myths could potentially create renewed interest in the old movies, making it a win-win situation for both parties.
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Post by ironhold on Sept 14, 2017 4:47:39 GMT
As it is, the team *has* done some Batman myths in the past, including the grappling hook launcher and the use of a chain to swing the Batmobile around like a pendulum. That might be something they could show off to the rights-holders.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 14, 2017 7:53:14 GMT
Great "sell"... bring in the myth that Batman can call a heard, flock, school, hunting...
The accepted collective noun for Bats is Colony.
However, that may be wrong, because that sort of suggests a nesting site, home site, or resting place?..
So there is an alternative... "Cloud".
Yep, job done right there, a Cloud of bats?.. it doesnt just fit, its perfect if you ask me?.
So Batman can call a cloud of bats when he wants a distraction made?.
Can you do that?. why yes probably you can, if you know the right calls to make.
I suggest I add that to the first post on the subject to make a viable myth.?.
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 14, 2017 11:30:31 GMT
One thing you might have to do is a couple of releases of insects that are prey items, one with bat feeding calls, the other without them as a control and measure the time it takes for bats to turn up to hunt at each time.
There is the potential that bats are responding to cues other than the hunting sounds of other bats, such as insect noises or perhaps the scent of the insects to find them, a control would help filter the results.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 15, 2017 5:41:31 GMT
One thing you might have to do is a couple of releases of insects that are prey items, one with bat feeding calls, the other without them as a control and measure the time it takes for bats to turn up to hunt at each time. There is the potential that bats are responding to cues other than the hunting sounds of other bats, such as insect noises or perhaps the scent of the insects to find them, a control would help filter the results. Good call. Where we did it, over my pond, there is always an abundance of insect life present. |
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