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Post by ironhold on Jan 11, 2018 5:34:41 GMT
Onions -
I think the lemon juice spray was overkill. Spray the onion itself before cutting? Maybe. Let the onion marinate in lemon juice as part of a recipe? Sure. But I'm wondering if the spray didn't simply completely mask everything, and besides - how many people would be able to set up that kind of rig?
As it is, from what I heard the gold standard is holding the onion underwater while cutting it.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 11, 2018 9:05:26 GMT
The gold standard of onion cutting is "Man up" or Woman up as required dependant on what part of the Golden Globe stage you are on, or wear a pair of safety glasses, no seriously, spray from a cut onion skin can get as far as they eyes, or dont buy the extra strong onions in the first place, and yes there is a rank of onions, the stronger they are, the more they hurt.
Good large fresh "Spanish" [style no origin?..] strong onions have a deeper flavour and more odour than others.
They are the Scotch Bonnet chilli of the onion world.
Knowing your Onions is a well known phrase, all onions, same as the legs of a duck, one of them is not the same.
If you have a stronger variety, its going to hurt more when you get its spray in your eye.
Over the years, I am now immune to Onion spray, unless I am doing a whole bucket full of them really strong ones.
Trying to chop an onion under water... yeah, right, that works well doesnt it?.
If it isnt difficult enough to cut them, the cut pieces float away and get in the way of line of sight?.
However, safety glasses, and not having a direct line from Onion to Eyes when you cut them, is a whole heap of good, but not so if your going to knock them out the way and try and scratch an eye with the back of your hand.
I have seen one good idea that draws fan assisted breeze across the cutting area to an outside vent, but obviously, if the vent draw is above head height, its going to draw that air past your face.
In all, of all the methods of cutting an onion I have heard being tested, "Get someone else to do it" is the absolute diamond standard, and walk past any freezer department of any sizeable supermarket, your finding ready chopped onions right there in front of you, no waste, and that works out as cheep as buying fresh.
If you need very finely chopped onion, for say an onion gravy/curry sauce, get with the machine and run them through a food processor's grater attachment.
Saves time, no spray if you use it right, and less mess.
Plus you dont have to scrub the smell out of a wooden chopping board.
I have seen one chef run onion chunks through a mincer machine, he claims it cleans the machine as it works, and as he is putting onion in with the mince, why not anyway?.
But for me, as I say, it takes a very special onion to reduce me to tears, maybe it was the years I spent as veg chef as a kid, or the time I spend in our kitchen, but it rarely bothers me.
The wife however cant enter the kitchen for 20 mins after I have done a batch.
And as I store unused chopped onions in a air-proof plastic tub in the fridge, she cant open that either.
Maybe there is a genetic thing as to who is more affected?.
Also, from my experience, colder is better.?..
If the onion is at room temp, it creates more spray, so I keep mine in a 2degC fridge.
And just for the record, I do have a slicer attachment on my food processor, reason I dont use it, is it takes so much time to set it up, I could have chopped half a dozen onions already... Keeping it Simples.
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Post by the light works on Jan 11, 2018 14:54:36 GMT
sharp knife helps, too.
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Post by the light works on Jan 12, 2018 4:23:56 GMT
I agree that they used a LOT of lemon juice, and may have had the same result from an equal amount of water spray.
and then there was the other myth: the die hard rooftop jump. a lot of work leading up to it, but ultimately, they got it put together.
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Post by koshka on Jan 12, 2018 18:11:28 GMT
As far as the rooftop jump goes, the one thing I would have liked them to address was just what caused the shockwatches to trip -- the jolt as Buster hit the end of the rope, or swinging into the side of the platform. I can't help thinking that an accelerometer might have been a better way to go.
I'll defer to those who use enough onion in their cooking to not have a fresh one go bad in the fridge on the other myth. (Dried minced onion doesn't spoil on me.)
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Post by the light works on Jan 13, 2018 1:07:36 GMT
As far as the rooftop jump goes, the one thing I would have liked them to address was just what caused the shockwatches to trip -- the jolt as Buster hit the end of the rope, or swinging into the side of the platform. I can't help thinking that an accelerometer might have been a better way to go. well, yes, there WAS that little issue. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 18, 2018 8:11:43 GMT
Two story fall and sudden arrest by strong rope... thats enough to snap a mans neck if it got tangled.
They used a belay system, for the final event.
I am wondering how a bungee rope would have fared?. Just because the bond film "Goldeneye" and that jump off a dam, and would a Bungee rope to cushion the impact of sudden stop have helped?.
Or is that just too complicated?.
Either way, "plausible" is a good result.
Onions, good test, good result, however, as above, the tests done did not include all suggestions, but then again, how many weird and wonderful ones are out there.
However, the time of 3 mins.
Either you cut onions at super-speed across the pond or I am a LOT slower?. I can spend up to 15 mins if I am doing enough for a large pot, or even more.
"Some people" are immune... why?.
And I still want to see what happens with Safety Glasses, and the possible science behind that.
I also want to know if it would have been better or not with Nose plugs.
I have been "Reliably informed" that the smell and tickling of the inside of the nose would make your eyes water, so a nose plug would benefit.
I am unable to test this, because, I am "some people", I am immune to many onions, and I just dont need to try anything, as I can merrily chop onions until you have a bucket full as needed.
I was highly amused by the test rig boxes with fans... nearly "death giggles" by some of the victims reactions, yes, you guys ARE evil?.
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Post by the light works on Jan 18, 2018 15:39:02 GMT
Two story fall and sudden arrest by strong rope... thats enough to snap a mans neck if it got tangled. They used a belay system, for the final event. I am wondering how a bungee rope would have fared?. Just because the bond film "Goldeneye" and that jump off a dam, and would a Bungee rope to cushion the impact of sudden stop have helped?. Or is that just too complicated?. Either way, "plausible" is a good result. Onions, good test, good result, however, as above, the tests done did not include all suggestions, but then again, how many weird and wonderful ones are out there. However, the time of 3 mins. Either you cut onions at super-speed across the pond or I am a LOT slower?. I can spend up to 15 mins if I am doing enough for a large pot, or even more. "Some people" are immune... why?. And I still want to see what happens with Safety Glasses, and the possible science behind that. I also want to know if it would have been better or not with Nose plugs. I have been "Reliably informed" that the smell and tickling of the inside of the nose would make your eyes water, so a nose plug would benefit. I am unable to test this, because, I am "some people", I am immune to many onions, and I just dont need to try anything, as I can merrily chop onions until you have a bucket full as needed. I was highly amused by the test rig boxes with fans... nearly "death giggles" by some of the victims reactions, yes, you guys ARE evil?. in the Goldeneye script, it WAS a bungee. hence the need to shoot an anchor at the bottom to prevent the recoil. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 19, 2018 5:46:46 GMT
Two story fall and sudden arrest by strong rope... thats enough to snap a mans neck if it got tangled. They used a belay system, for the final event. I am wondering how a bungee rope would have fared?. Just because the bond film "Goldeneye" and that jump off a dam, and would a Bungee rope to cushion the impact of sudden stop have helped?. Or is that just too complicated?. Either way, "plausible" is a good result. in the Goldeneye script, it WAS a bungee. hence the need to shoot an anchor at the bottom to prevent the recoil. Thats what I said?. But yeah, Bungee fall, the rope takes a lot of the strain and braking impact away from the fall, but, can that be done?. Dangling someone off a bungee and bouncing them about trying to get the shot... Can you jump shoot swing hit "the target" and detach before you get yanked back up, and can you measure the rope "exact" to catch you at the bottom of the fall as you get6 through the window.?. Perhaps not aye?. OR... could you get a rope that has bungee elasticated properties but stays stretched, thus cushioning the fall, but not bouncing you about?. |
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Post by the light works on Jan 19, 2018 15:51:21 GMT
in the Goldeneye script, it WAS a bungee. hence the need to shoot an anchor at the bottom to prevent the recoil. Thats what I said?. But yeah, Bungee fall, the rope takes a lot of the strain and braking impact away from the fall, but, can that be done?. Dangling someone off a bungee and bouncing them about trying to get the shot... Can you jump shoot swing hit "the target" and detach before you get yanked back up, and can you measure the rope "exact" to catch you at the bottom of the fall as you get6 through the window.?. Perhaps not aye?. OR... could you get a rope that has bungee elasticated properties but stays stretched, thus cushioning the fall, but not bouncing you about?. I misunderstood. I thought you had asked what if they used a bungee IN goldeneye. doing the window jump with a bungee sounds like something that would be extremely difficult to hit your window on purpose. this because I expect any variation in the original jump would result in a slightly different trajectory, which would result in a different elapsed time at impact, which would result in a different elevation at impact. there are shock absorbing lanyards available on the market, which are a single use system, but I would guess they are not extremely consistent. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 20, 2018 8:01:39 GMT
Here's having an idea, take parallel ropes, one that will take the strain, one undersized bungee that will stretch to the length of the rigid, but that will just stretch to the limit and stay there under strain, and see how much of the strain is absorbed by the bungee as it stretches out to the length of the rigid line, and how much of the initial arrest is dissipated through that bungee stretching.
Drop buster at a length that just triggers a shock watch of the lower "survivable" range on a rigid rope, and drop again with the hybrid system, fine tune as required?.
In truth, many climbing ropes aint all that rigid anyway, they all have a reasonable deformity under strain, so when you do drop, its not a sudden arrest. Even twisted yarn type ropes "Unravel" a little under strain. They have some elasticity.
Perhaps playing about with different ropes can reveal a system where there isnt much of an initial arrest?.
But no so much that multiple ropes start adding to the mass that is to be arrested and cause their own problems....
Weaving them together in a way that keeps them from tangling may also be priceless.
Or, just find out how much a decent arresting from serious fall climbing rope fares when you DO fall and stop playing with vehicle tow ropes?.
You mention there is shock absorbing landyards on the market... yes, I know of their existence, some single use, some heavier multiple use, because if you fall on a mountain, you dont immediately have the ability to throw the rope away, sometimes you have to climb back down to an evacuation point?.
Time to test them and see how well the fare?.
Its not as if the myth requires them to be multiple use anyway, so maybe you will have to only have one use per test and that will use up a lot of rope that has to be recycled, but, I will bet in the name of science, the makers of that rope, will be willing to provide a few "samples" free for testing with?.
The initial myth shows just ONE rope in use much of the time, "In a real world" if you knew this is what you were to be doing, wouldnt you investigate a method of doing this without injury?.
I would have suspected "Special forces" who may or may not have to plan storming a building in this way would know a thing or two?.
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Post by the light works on Jan 20, 2018 9:37:46 GMT
Here's having an idea, take parallel ropes, one that will take the strain, one undersized bungee that will stretch to the length of the rigid, but that will just stretch to the limit and stay there under strain, and see how much of the strain is absorbed by the bungee as it stretches out to the length of the rigid line, and how much of the initial arrest is dissipated through that bungee stretching. Drop buster at a length that just triggers a shock watch of the lower "survivable" range on a rigid rope, and drop again with the hybrid system, fine tune as required?. In truth, many climbing ropes aint all that rigid anyway, they all have a reasonable deformity under strain, so when you do drop, its not a sudden arrest. Even twisted yarn type ropes "Unravel" a little under strain. They have some elasticity. Perhaps playing about with different ropes can reveal a system where there isnt much of an initial arrest?. But no so much that multiple ropes start adding to the mass that is to be arrested and cause their own problems.... Weaving them together in a way that keeps them from tangling may also be priceless. Or, just find out how much a decent arresting from serious fall climbing rope fares when you DO fall and stop playing with vehicle tow ropes?. You mention there is shock absorbing landyards on the market... yes, I know of their existence, some single use, some heavier multiple use, because if you fall on a mountain, you dont immediately have the ability to throw the rope away, sometimes you have to climb back down to an evacuation point?. Time to test them and see how well the fare?. Its not as if the myth requires them to be multiple use anyway, so maybe you will have to only have one use per test and that will use up a lot of rope that has to be recycled, but, I will bet in the name of science, the makers of that rope, will be willing to provide a few "samples" free for testing with?. The initial myth shows just ONE rope in use much of the time, "In a real world" if you knew this is what you were to be doing, wouldnt you investigate a method of doing this without injury?. I would have suspected "Special forces" who may or may not have to plan storming a building in this way would know a thing or two?. the movie this came from was die hard, and he did it by wrapping a fire hose around his chest. but the single use shock lanyards are NOT for climbing. they are for construction safety harnesses. |
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