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Post by the light works on Feb 23, 2023 2:34:03 GMT
while using the special express road in Seattle, it occurred to me to wonder what people would behave like if there was a toll bypass road, where drivers paid per vehicle overtaken while on the toll road.
logistics aside: it's a question of how much people would pay to get around congestion, - assuming the toll is assessed based on how many cars on the congested road the toll road gets them ahead of. or it's a question of whether people would be so obsessed with passing other people, if it cost them money to pass other people. - assuming the toll is assessed on how many cars on the toll road are overtaken while on the toll road.
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 23, 2023 3:26:34 GMT
I think some would take advantage of the toll if it saved them time, not just because it got them there before others. Of course, there's always a few that will pay just about anything to be #1, but I would like to think those would be few.
If you charged by the minutes saved and not the number of cars passed, your toll road would be a huge success.
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Post by wvengineer on Feb 28, 2023 13:51:14 GMT
Virginia has several toll roads around the Washington DC area with "Congestion pricing". Part iof I-66 and also on the beltway between the I-495/I-95/I-395 interchanges. Basically they up the price as traffic gets heavier. Tolls regularly go above $50/car during heavy times. I rarely go to DC, so I can't comment from experience. In general, they are publicly unpopular. Academics say that they are about changing behavior, but they are seen but the public at large as something that mostly benefits the wealthy who can afford higher tolls than lower income people can. That being said, plenty of people use them anyway, regardless of the toll amount. So based on Washington DC, there are plenty of people who don't overly care about dropping well into the double digits to avoid traffic. Someone commuting to work could possibly get into triple digits a day if traffic is bad enough. It is worth noting that California, Florida, Minnesota, New York, and Texas also have various variable rate toll roads. www.virginiadot.org/info/congestion_pricing.aspmobility.tamu.edu/mip/strategies-pdfs/travel-options/technical-summary/variable-pricing-4-pg.pdf |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 28, 2023 13:55:20 GMT
Virginia has several toll roads around the Washington DC area with "Congestion pricing". Part iof I-66 and also on the beltway between the I-495/I-95/I-395 interchanges. Basically they up the price as traffic gets heavier. Tolls regularly go above $50/car during heavy times. I rarely go to DC, so I can't comment from experience. In general, they are publicly unpopular. Academics say that they are about changing behavior, but they are seen but the public at large as something that mostly benefits the wealthy who can afford higher tolls than lower income people can. That being said, plenty of people use them anyway, regardless of the toll amount. So based on Washington DC, there are plenty of people who don't overly care about dropping well into the double digits to avoid traffic. Someone commuting to work could possibly get into triple digits a day if traffic is bad enough. It is worth noting that California, Florida, Minnesota, New York, and Texas also have various variable rate toll roads. www.virginiadot.org/info/congestion_pricing.aspmobility.tamu.edu/mip/strategies-pdfs/travel-options/technical-summary/variable-pricing-4-pg.pdf $50 toll per car? |
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Post by wvengineer on Feb 28, 2023 14:11:31 GMT
Yup. I am having trouble finding news articles that are not behind paywalls. It regularly broke $40/car in 2017. wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/12/dynamic-tolls-66-climb-36/According to my sister who live closer to DC than I do and will have to go there once in a while for work, she has seen $50+ on multiple occasions in recent years. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 28, 2023 14:25:00 GMT
Yup. I am having trouble finding news articles that are not behind paywalls. It regularly broke $40/car in 2017. wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/12/dynamic-tolls-66-climb-36/According to my sister who live closer to DC than I do and will have to go there once in a while for work, she has seen $50+ on multiple occasions in recent years. Even five dollars for a 9 mile stretch of road is outrageous. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2023 15:19:44 GMT
I'm from Oregon. Any toll at all, except to pay for a specific benefit is against our religion. (I.E. we've had a couple bridges where they used a bridge toll to pay for the construction, and the few ferries left might have a toll)
but the dynamic of people with Must Be In Front syndrome did lead to curiosity about what they would pay to get in front .which is what led me to the second scenario - if the toll road is already getting them around traffic, would people then pay to get around the other people using the toll road?
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