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Post by silverdragon on Dec 8, 2013 9:16:17 GMT
Terry Pratchet has released Raising Steam, another Disc-world novel.
Just lettin' you know.
I have it, I have read the first chapter, and I wont say any more about how its going until other people have had a chance to read the damn thing....
After all, its supposed to be part of my Christmas presents?...
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Dec 8, 2013 13:03:38 GMT
My Mum is giving me this for my birthday in February so, Dragon good friend you may be. But if you spoil this book for me & I'll bypass going Bursar & head straight to Librarian! ![](http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4027/4336918104_868764cd09_o.jpg)
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 10, 2013 8:00:53 GMT
I will NOT post spoilers.... But I may tempt you a little..... Raising steam, as you may be aware already, is an old term used by the firemen of the process of getting steam up in a steam engine. Where Fireman is the person who shovels coal, not the work college of TLW on these boards?...
Mr Slightly Damp will be involved. And the patrician. There WILL be footnotes.... And Ank Morphok. And the City Watch. Can you wait until February?...
I aint saying anythng you wont know already, if you have read the adverts....
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Post by kharnynb on Dec 10, 2013 12:02:10 GMT
I've just finished it, brilliant book.
I won't spoiler it, but it was another great read and it saddens me to know there is going to be a time that sir terry will have to stop creating these gems.
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 10, 2013 17:38:12 GMT
So, I had look up Discworld to see what it was/is. What role do the 4 elephants and the giant turtle play in the stories? Are the Discworld dwellers aware of the existence of the elephants and the turtle? What about the edge of the disc? How is it portrayed or dealt with? Is it a (for them) the world is flat type thing and if get to close you fall off the edge? Perhaps someone could direct me to a Discworld FAQ for folks who nothing about it? Edit: never mind, I found This link.Not really my type of fantasy fiction, methinks.
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Post by kharnynb on Dec 10, 2013 20:11:05 GMT
It's not exactly fantasy as fantasy with a rather heavy dose of parody/humour. It's really great, although the first few books really haven't aged quite as well. www.lspace.org/ for lots of info
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 11, 2013 7:25:57 GMT
The Elephants support the weight of the world, otherwise it would just fall. The edge of the disk is just that, "Flat earth". The water from the oceans falls over the edge, gets turned into mist, and swept up as clouds, where it falls as rain... Mostly on the head of a small boy called Colin in Sto-Lat, he is fed up with it being wet all the time, created his own folding umbrella by the age of six, is an expert meteorologist, even though he is only twelve, and will have revolutionised irrigation methods by the time he is middle aged. He will also be the first person on the disk to invent something called gored-cloth, somthing he found is that cloth gored by pigs gets a waterproofing coating, so had worked out that distilling pig fat into a sticky substance that sets, will waterproof cloth.
Has anyone ever seen under the disc?... Yes. One wizzard, and a tourist. It was rather traumatic for the wizzard, as he didnt intend to go, but the tourist was well pleased with it. The wizzard has also seen inside the mind of the turtle, its very boring and very slow, like a railway timetable. He has had an intimate relationship with one of the eight great spells which has changed his life and allowed him to be part of the very thread of life... But isnt happy at all about that.
If you wish to know ANYTHING about the Discworld, just ask here, 'cos between us, you have some of the greatest aficionado's around, even down to what kind of stick CMOT Dibbler uses. (Its a red one)
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Post by kharnynb on Dec 11, 2013 9:22:20 GMT
Aye, i own everything sir Terry has written and have probally read most books at least 4 times.
My favourites are the vimes and the moist "story-lines" although i also like DEATH ones a lot.
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Post by freegan on Dec 11, 2013 10:08:22 GMT
Not really my type of fantasy fiction, methinks. Am I right in taking the inference that there IS a type of fantasy fiction to your liking? If so, then I suspect that you will enjoy the humour within Pratchett's stories much as I, as a fan of SciFi enjoyed Douglas Adams' humour in the HHGG series. Like Adams, Pratchett covers many aspects of his chosen genre with skilful parodies, paradoxes and engagingly improbable scenarios where suspension of disbelief becomes natural and entertaining. Kharnynb's link is a great starting point but doesn't fully capture the essence of Pratchett. You'll need to read him directly to get that. I suggest you start at the beginning with "The Colour of Magic".
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Post by mrfatso on Dec 11, 2013 11:25:55 GMT
I too am waiting for Christmas or my Birthday for this, they are only a day apart.
But as for starting at the Colour of Magic, I think starting at Mort is better, the first two are parodies of certain fantasy Authors like Anne Mcaffrey and her dragons of Pern books in the Wyrmberg section for example. They rely on a lot of fantasy in jokes which fall at little flat if you don't know them. The later stories are more rounded reflections of life.
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Post by kharnynb on Dec 11, 2013 11:36:07 GMT
Also, if you don't like fantasy, but like science fiction, "the long earth" also by pratchett, together with stephen baxter is worth trying(and only 2 books, instead of 30 or so).
Another of his on earth books is "good omens" with neil gaiman is a sort of light-hearted parody on the antichrist stories.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Dec 11, 2013 12:03:51 GMT
Good Omens is one of my favourite books. It's DEFINATELY one of those books I will share with my kids (when I have them) when they're old enough.
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 11, 2013 16:08:47 GMT
Not really my type of fantasy fiction, methinks. Am I right in taking the inference that there IS a type of fantasy fiction to your liking? If so, then I suspect that you will enjoy the humour within Pratchett's stories much as I, as a fan of SciFi enjoyed Douglas Adams' humour in the HHGG series. Like Adams, Pratchett covers many aspects of his chosen genre with skilful parodies, paradoxes and engagingly improbable scenarios where suspension of disbelief becomes natural and entertaining. Kharnynb's link is a great starting point but doesn't fully capture the essence of Pratchett. You'll need to read him directly to get that. I suggest you start at the beginning with "The Colour of Magic". Yes, I do like some fantasy. Such as the Shannarra books, by Brooks, Conan the Barbarian and such. I used to love the graphic novel type stuff in the old Heavy Metal magazine, which often blended sci-Fi and fantasy very nicely. I may read these Prachett books and like them, but when I learned about the giant space flying turtle, the disc world having its own little sun and moon and so on, it just went to far towards parody for me and my liking, I believe. A reasonable amount of suspension of belief, I don't mind. From what I've read, this is a near total, if not total suspension of belief. That doesn't thrill me.
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Post by the light works on Dec 11, 2013 16:29:41 GMT
Am I right in taking the inference that there IS a type of fantasy fiction to your liking? If so, then I suspect that you will enjoy the humour within Pratchett's stories much as I, as a fan of SciFi enjoyed Douglas Adams' humour in the HHGG series. Like Adams, Pratchett covers many aspects of his chosen genre with skilful parodies, paradoxes and engagingly improbable scenarios where suspension of disbelief becomes natural and entertaining. Kharnynb's link is a great starting point but doesn't fully capture the essence of Pratchett. You'll need to read him directly to get that. I suggest you start at the beginning with "The Colour of Magic". Yes, I do like some fantasy. Such as the Shannarra books, by Brooks, Conan the Barbarian and such. I used to love the graphic novel type stuff in the old Heavy Metal magazine, which often blended sci-Fi and fantasy very nicely. I may read these Prachett books and like them, but when I learned about the giant space flying turtle, the disc world having its own little sun and moon and so on, it just went to far towards parody for me and my liking, I believe. A reasonable amount of suspension of belief, I don't mind. From what I've read, this is a near total, if not total suspension of belief. That doesn't thrill me. you are correct that Pratchett's work is very much towards parody. to whit; one of his characters is Cohen the Barbarian. it is true that a more serious fantasy fiction reader can find it a bit off-putting. kind of like a "hard sci-fi" fan may not like space opera at all.
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 13, 2013 7:19:17 GMT
Followed by The Long War, which came out a month or so ago... I just finished that one ...
Its more how its done with Terry. Its humour, it pokes fun at Superstition, it pokes fun at MANY things. Within all of us is a deep relationship with Sarcasm... Terry takes that and uses it. We all enjoy a good laugh at other peoples demise, especially the pomposity of those in Public office or those who order to deceive, take that with truly believable characters who have their own personality faults, but live in the world of Underdog, and you have the beginning of a good story. Its also well researched. The tales of Dodger were done in a written world that held true to the time frame of London at that time, whilst still being it an almost fantasy world.
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Post by mrfatso on Dec 14, 2013 11:19:06 GMT
Yes Dodger is a good book fro it recreation of London, it isn`t set on Discworld at all.
To give another example of his research in his book Soul Music the lead character has the name Imp Y Celyn, which in Welsh is Bud of the Holy.
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