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Post by maxman on Apr 22, 2014 6:53:28 GMT
Lately I've been wondering how the oak leaf and certificate for an MiD were awarded, but I can't find any information.
Was the oak leaf pinned on the soldier by their CO like other medals, or was it and the certificate just given to the soldier without ceremony?
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 22, 2014 9:59:00 GMT
From what I can gather you get given a certificate (presumably by your commanding officer) and then have to get your own 'leaf'.
Of course this is for the British armed forces, the specifics in other countries will differ.
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Post by the light works on Apr 22, 2014 13:53:55 GMT
My question is, what IS a "mentioned in despatches" significant of?
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 22, 2014 17:52:40 GMT
At the most basic level it simply means that you did something that impressed a superior officer enough that they identify you by name to their senior officers. But it is also a prerequisite to being given a higher reward - so every single person who has been given a medal in the British Army would first have been mentioned in dispatches.
Even if you don't get a higher award, in theory being named to senior officers in a positive light would increase your chances of a promotion.
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Post by maxman on Apr 23, 2014 7:14:23 GMT
I think the closest US equivalent is the Bronze Star.
What I knew already, during the war the oak leaf is pinned to recipient's tunic, and after the war, it is pinned to the campaign medal, or, where no campaign medal has been designated, the General Service Medal. It is not to be pinned to any other decoration.
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Post by the light works on Apr 23, 2014 14:08:12 GMT
That clarifies it. basically a personal commendation from the CO.
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 23, 2014 14:34:26 GMT
That clarifies it. basically a personal commendation from the CO. More or less. The practice came from the period before there were medals handed out for notable conduct*. Unless you were the commanding officer, the only way to show gratitude was by promoting men or failing that just keeping them in active employment. But to do either the individual had to be mentioned in official records. In the Royal Navy the official after action reports that were dispatched to the Admiralty (or the Admiral on overseas stations) often contained a list of names of men who had impressed the commander. For Midshipmen, Lieutenants and Masters and Commanders this held great importance, as it greatly increased the chances of promotion and/or being given command of their own ship. The tradition in the RN was for the first officer on a ship to get a promotion after a successful action (one reason that the Navy ended up with three or four times as many Commanders as their were ships for them to command**). But this was unlikely to happen if the Captain omitted his XO's name from the official dispatch. It was just as important for Captains themselves, as being mentioned increased the chances of them being given another command and therefore being given full, rather than half, pay. It also increased the chances of them being given some of the more interesting duties. (*That is official medals. Medals were handed out, but these were effectively privately-backed awards paid for through donations. The first I can think of were the medals that were handed out to those who took part in the Battle of the Nile - although there may have been earlier examples. Some private concerns, merchant fleets and owners, would sometimes award (naval) Captains with gifts such as an expensive sword as a thank you for their service.) (**The first officer on a rated RN ship at this period held the rank of Lieutenant, the idea of employing Commanders as XO's on major ships came around a lot later. Commanders were the captains of the larger unrated ships, usually Sloops.) I suspect that the situation was similar in the army. The importance of being mentioned in dispatches dropped somewhat when official medals and awards started to be handed out rather than promotions. But as noted above you still had to be mentioned in dispatches before you could be considered for a medal.
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 25, 2014 6:37:42 GMT
Dispatches the easy way...
Dispatches were a daily round-up of all important news. This was a two-way communication thing between head office and local base or detachment. Not a secret document, often after reading by the commander of base, it was pinned up for all to see. It may have important news such as the confirmation of a set date for a certain parade with times and places, it may have news of peoples promotions, it may just stated that as it has rained constantly for several weeks there needs to be some work on the roads to repair them... Its kind of a military newspaper I suppose?... without being a newspaper, but just as informative, and more liable to be true.
But, if something worth commenting on was worth reporting, it got put in there. There are certain medals and awards given out for defined acts. But there is a defined reason for getting that. If you just go above and beyond the call of duty for a reason that is not covered by any other award, and someone has decided you SHOULD get a medal for that, there is always Mentioned in Dispatches... Its the award for "Everything else" that is not covered by other awards?....
How were they handed out?.. depended rather on the commanding officer and unit, and the award. Some would just casually pass over "This arrived for you in the mail this morning", others would bring it up and do an official daily briefing or weekly briefing, some would save them all up for a certain date.... Or just for a monthly briefing where it had been a slow news month..... MD's were always read out at daily briefings where I was stationed, and the dispatch was always pinned to the board. May what ever deity you believe in protect you if you missed something impotant that got mentioned there.
Depends on the person and on the act in question.
I got one for finding a rather important spare part in 'record' time, mainly because I put in a 48hr shift to get it to the right person. I dont think I actually got any form of Gong, not even a lapel badge, it was more of a case of an official thankyou from high places, that just often was enough to prove that they actually did give a damn when you did something worth giving a damn about?...
How many times does your boss say thank you for you doing a good job?...
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Post by maxman on Apr 30, 2014 9:07:38 GMT
Actually, I think the closest US equivilent is the Commendation Medal, or the Achievement Medal.
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Post by maxman on May 2, 2014 9:10:05 GMT
On a related note, how were the lower level decorations awarded? Namely, third level decorations such as the Military Medal or the Distinguished Service Medal.
With the execption of the Victoria Cross and the George Cross, until 1993 crosses were reserved for officers only, and each had a corresponding medal for other ranks (warrant officers could receive crosses, but were occasionally awarded medals). In 1993, the decorations system was reassessed and the equivelent crosses were awarded to all ranks.
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Post by Cybermortis on May 2, 2014 11:22:12 GMT
On a related note, how were the lower level decorations awarded? Namely, third level decorations such as the Military Medal or the Distinguished Service Medal. With the execption of the Victoria Cross and the George Cross, until 1993 crosses were reserved for officers only, and each had a corresponding medal for other ranks (warrant officers could receive crosses, but were occasionally awarded medals). In 1993, the decorations system was reassessed and the equivelent crosses were awarded to all ranks. Most of the medals I can pull up any history on seem to date to the first world war (the DSM and DSC - effectively the same thing, although the latter was for officers only until 1993). It appears that medals are usually presented by the monarch or their representative. In the latter case I'm guessing that the senior officer on overseas stations could probably fill this function, although this most likely never happens these days as it would probably be easier to send the recipient home (or wait for them to be moved back home at the end of their deployment). In the case of posthumous awards, these are presented to the next of kin in a private ceremony before the public one. Of course the British awards system doesn't just include military awards, but also civilian ones - which I'd guess comprise most awards handed out these days. Based on what I've sort of heard over the years (the honours system and awards is badly reported in the mainstream media except in individual cases) it seems that the current tradition is for all major medals to be presented at Buckingham Palace, regardless of the medal being given or the rank of the recipient. I could be wrong here, as I'm having to read between the lines and make a lot of guesses based on incomplete information.
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Post by silverdragon on May 3, 2014 6:40:08 GMT
From what I know, certain medals and the awards, depended on the situation. Being sent home just for a gong was against the principals of some, so field decoration was allowed, as in, the conversation may go along the lines of first being told you were up for a medal, then having that confirmed, then getting the decision, and then possibly the actual medal.... Although being awarded the medal and actually holding it also depended on the situation. Some medals were reserved for issue next time you got to Blighty.....
As for the King/Queen awarding them?... Some medals may ONLY be awarded by the reigning monarch.
You didnt get order to the palace without knowing what for, and it wasnt something they could just do as part of daily duties, so you may have to wait for the next gong ceremony to get the medal, but that didnt mean it didnt exist up until that point.
You may be awarded the medal whilst abroad, by the most senior C/O they could find, then get it awarded again to you by the Monarch upon your return to Blighty.... That had a lot to do with the intensity of the battle and your life expectancy.
Non Military..... all emergency crews and "Reserved" occupations have their own honours systems, although not heavily reported.
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