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Post by ironhold on May 15, 2014 15:12:12 GMT
I had a series of rather weird dreams last night.
Let me state this right out.
In one of the dreams, I was expecting a fight to go down at any moment, and so I decided to stack the deck in my favor.
In real life, people will grip rolls of coins, wooden blocks, or other such items to add mass to their hand so that their punches hit harder.
I had bright red Play-Doh (c) brand modeling clay (or a close competitor).
So there I was, with my off-hand full of bright red clay that was rolled and shaped into a cylinder that was twice as thick as a roll of quarters. I also had a "loop" of clay going around the knuckles at the base of my fingers to help ensure that the cylinder remained attached to my fist.
Sure enough, a fight eventually broke out. My mom said the wrong thing to the wrong person, and so I had to keep her from being pummeled by a stereotypical Hollywood muscle-bound thug.
Surprisingly, the dough did, indeed, improve the power behind my punch with that hand.
Would dough or non-fired clay of any variety be enough to boost the power of someone's punch, or would it be far too soft to use in such a fashion?
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Post by the light works on May 15, 2014 15:38:36 GMT
I think it is mainly a question of mass. the biggest challenges would be to make an effective test for it, and the fact that it probably wouldn't be socially responsible to air an episode on how to beat people up more effectively.
but the theory behind punch augmentation has three components:
1: greater punching force.
2: sharper impact focus
3: better hand protection.
a soft mass in your hand would increase the kinetic energy, assuming is was not so much as to significantly slow the punch.
it would not necessarily focus the impact more, and may or may not help protect your hand from injury.
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Post by OziRiS on May 17, 2014 14:28:32 GMT
I think it is mainly a question of mass. the biggest challenges would be to make an effective test for it, and the fact that it probably wouldn't be socially responsible to air an episode on how to beat people up more effectively. but the theory behind punch augmentation has three components: 1: greater punching force. 2: sharper impact focus 3: better hand protection. a soft mass in your hand would increase the kinetic energy, assuming is was not so much as to significantly slow the punch. it would not necessarily focus the impact more, and may or may not help protect your hand from injury. The empty vs. full beer bottle to the head test was up the same alley as this, so I wouldn't be too worried about the socially acceptable aspect  I think you could actually get a little more punch out of a fistful of clay. Sure, it'll deform in your hand, but it'll still take some of the impact since it's not completely liquid and any added weight is better than nothing. I've seen as creative things as a hair brush, a carton of milk and a wadded up pair of panties inside the hand used to gain the edge in a fight, all with better effect than just fists. |
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Post by the light works on May 17, 2014 14:51:34 GMT
I think it is mainly a question of mass. the biggest challenges would be to make an effective test for it, and the fact that it probably wouldn't be socially responsible to air an episode on how to beat people up more effectively. but the theory behind punch augmentation has three components: 1: greater punching force. 2: sharper impact focus 3: better hand protection. a soft mass in your hand would increase the kinetic energy, assuming is was not so much as to significantly slow the punch. it would not necessarily focus the impact more, and may or may not help protect your hand from injury. The empty vs. full beer bottle to the head test was up the same alley as this, so I wouldn't be too worried about the socially acceptable aspect I think you could actually get a little more punch out of a fistful of clay. Sure, it'll deform in your hand, but it'll still take some of the impact since it's not completely liquid and any added weight is better than nothing. I've seen as creative things as a hair brush, a carton of milk and a wadded up pair of panties inside the hand used to gain the edge in a fight, all with better effect than just fists. that was why I gave a "may or may not help" on factor #3. |
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Post by OziRiS on May 17, 2014 23:29:46 GMT
Of course, it should be said that fists vs. face is pretty much always a bad idea, since there's almost no meat on the fingers/knuckles to take the impact, so it hurts like a mother*bleep*. If you're not used to it (which I hope you're not), a broken or dislocated finger can take you out of the fight as quickly as taking a good low blow (stomach or lower).
It's always better to use the base of your hand or even your elbow when going for the face without a hard object to hit with. There's less risk of injury to yourself and even if an injury does occur, it doesn't hurt as much and won't take you out of the fight straight away.
In a self defense situation, a hard object to strike with is always best, since you want to inflict as much pain as you can as quickly as possible, so you can get away fast. This is especially important if there are multiple attackers. If you can inflict enough pain on one attacker with one blow to scare off the others even for a moment, you've created a window to get out without need for further confrontation, which is really what you want.
Knowing that I'm writing to fellow movie enthusiasts, this is what I've always liked about Steven Segal over all other martial arts actors. He's quick, dirty and efficient and not too fancy with all the spin kicks and splits. He gets the job done with whatever he has available at the time and then leaves (in most movies anyway).
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Post by the light works on May 18, 2014 0:27:05 GMT
Of course, it should be said that fists vs. face is pretty much always a bad idea, since there's almost no meat on the fingers/knuckles to take the impact, so it hurts like a mother*bleep*. If you're not used to it (which I hope you're not), a broken or dislocated finger can take you out of the fight as quickly as taking a good low blow (stomach or lower). It's always better to use the base of your hand or even your elbow when going for the face without a hard object to hit with. There's less risk of injury to yourself and even if an injury does occur, it doesn't hurt as much and won't take you out of the fight straight away. In a self defense situation, a hard object to strike with is always best, since you want to inflict as much pain as you can as quickly as possible, so you can get away fast. This is especially important if there are multiple attackers. If you can inflict enough pain on one attacker with one blow to scare off the others even for a moment, you've created a window to get out without need for further confrontation, which is really what you want. Knowing that I'm writing to fellow movie enthusiasts, this is what I've always liked about Steven Segal over all other martial arts actors. He's quick, dirty and efficient and not too fancy with all the spin kicks and splits. He gets the job done with whatever he has available at the time and then leaves (in most movies anyway). I don't know about his later movies, but he was also pretty soft spoken and had a dry sense of humor in the earlier ones. personally, I prefer a rattan rod about 3 feet long and an inch and a half diameter. put a basket hilt on it with a long thumbguard and a "trigger" and it does a reasonably good job of preventing broken fingers. I have still had an occasional broken nail, though. Attachment Deleted |
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