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Post by c64 on Jul 7, 2014 12:36:52 GMT
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 7, 2014 16:18:31 GMT
Somebody mentioned that one in a Steam forum I found during my Google searches. Thanks man  I'll let you know if it works. If it doesn't, I have a co2 powered Colt M1911 softgun, so I just might try c64's suggestion and put the damn thing out of its misery  |
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Post by c64 on Jul 7, 2014 19:29:29 GMT
I have a co2 powered Colt M1911 softgun, Highly illegal over here. When I was a kid, air riffles were still legal. I which I had bought one back then... But on the other hand, I am an engineer, I had knocked 10 inch thick branches out of my walnut tree using nothing but compressed air as a fuel and water filled plastic bottles as projectiles. |
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Post by c64 on Jul 7, 2014 19:35:58 GMT
I'll let you know if it works. Try a Raspberry Pi and turn this thing into a TV, a Retrostation or whatever you like for a few $ and buy yourself a decent PC monitor. |
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Post by ponytail61 on Jul 7, 2014 20:32:57 GMT
Okay tech gurus, problem has evolved. Up for a challenge? And BTW, while changing the resolution to 1280x1024 does indeed fix the auto adjust problem, it seems weird to me that it would be the go-to resolution for this screen. It's a 16:9 LCD screen, so the image looks flat and fuzzy compared to 1366x768, which is what it's normally set to. Any ideas? The specs I found for that monitor says it's a 16:10 not 16:9. Have you tried (if available) any of these listed resolutions? 320x200-----16:10 640x400-----16:10 1280x800-----16:10 1440x900-----16:10 1680x1050-----16:10 1920x1200-----16:10 2560x1600-----16:10 3840x2400-----16:10 7680x4800-----16:10 |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 7, 2014 20:45:35 GMT
Okay tech gurus, problem has evolved. Up for a challenge? And BTW, while changing the resolution to 1280x1024 does indeed fix the auto adjust problem, it seems weird to me that it would be the go-to resolution for this screen. It's a 16:9 LCD screen, so the image looks flat and fuzzy compared to 1366x768, which is what it's normally set to. Any ideas? The specs I found for that monitor says it's a 16:10 not 16:9. Have you tried (if available) any of these listed resolutions? 320x200-----16:10 640x400-----16:10 1280x800-----16:10 1440x900-----16:10 1680x1050-----16:10 1920x1200-----16:10 2560x1600-----16:10 3840x2400-----16:10 7680x4800-----16:10 After installing the new driver, every option I tried other than 1280x1024 and 800x600 got me an on-screen message saying that it wasn't supported. |
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Post by ponytail61 on Jul 7, 2014 21:54:52 GMT
You could try the repair option under add/remove programs for ati ccc. Maybe something didn't load correctly.
Were you trying to change resolution under CCC or win/control panel/appearances?
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 8, 2014 9:48:39 GMT
You could try the repair option under add/remove programs for ati ccc. Maybe something didn't load correctly. Were you trying to change resolution under CCC or win/control panel/appearances? CCC...? I assume that's supposed to be something along the lines of Catalyst Control something...? I looked for a system tray icon, a start menu entry or any kind of .exe in the ATI file folder on my C: drive in hopes of finding a Catalyst program where I could tweak settings, since that's what the installation said it was - a program. Didn't find one, so, like I said in a previous post, what I did was just right-click the desktop, click "Screen resolution" and do it from there. I'm guessing the reason why I couldn't find any kind of program is because of the BSOD I got during installation. It probably didn't install correctly. It got the driver into the system, but the program never made it. |
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Post by c64 on Jul 8, 2014 10:55:00 GMT
CCC...? I assume that's supposed to be something along the lines of Catalyst Control something...? That would be the Chaos Computer Club www.nycresistor.com/2008/06/28/the-chaos-computer-club-1981-1984/Those were the days! I spent a fortune as a teenager for tickets for a local Theme Park, just because they had a public BTX terminal. Usually you spend a fortune to rent a BTX decoder for the TV at home and pay with your phone bill. While the public free BTX terminals were essentially useless since you couldn't access anything interesting since you can't pay, computer security wasn't really existing back then so you could do a lot of (illegal) stuff by just experimenting with the system. But naturally, you wouldn't do that at home - nor pay a fortune to rent the access for your home. There were many public demonstrations done by the CCC how to hack the BTX system, e.g. to earn (steal) real money with it. Here is the original news report of one of the incidents: They managed to overload the central BTX server and received a lot of random data, including the BTX access information of a major bank. Then they created a "pay per view" page on their BTX account which charges everybody DM 9.90 who accesses this page. Form a second terminal dialed in with the banks access account, they simply started this page over and over again "earning" more than DM 135,000 (~ 60k us$) during a single night!!! The page can be seen at 2:20 in the news report, it's an animation of their mascot shooting the logo of the federal Bundespost, the owner of the BTX system. When the Bundespost still owned the telephone system, tampering with the phone line or telephone was highly illegal and could send you to jail for up to 3 years. You had to rent a phone line and telephone, you couldn't own one. Also the phone was permanently tied to the wall, there was no way to unplug it - or disable it. In old movies, when someone doesn't want to be disturbed, the earpiece was put next to the phone under a pillow to muffle the beep tone. To get your home computer online, you had to rent a modem connected to a second phone line. The phone line was just like your normal one but the rental fee was a lot greater. And then you had to rent a modem which was even more expensive to rent and real slow. Then the CCC came up with instructions how to make your own acoustic coupler using some electronic components and plumbing material. And because of the plumbing material (the rubber pieces which adapts to the handset of the phone), this thing became known as the "Data Toilet". This was still considered as illegal by the Bundespost but they couldn't do anything about this. Too many people did that and it wasn't really tampering with the phone. runningserver.com/img/thelab_datenklo_working.jpgAnd because of this, acoustic couplers finally became legal here in Germany! Here in Germany, lots of those old dial up mailboxes are still existing. Ported to modern hardware and you can access them by telnet through the internet, but you can still dial them up with your old home computer and acoustic coupler. Great fun, and more frequented than you would imagine. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 8, 2014 12:51:26 GMT
I dont know if this helps, but on my screen resolutions, settings, in Wind-Woes, I have a option that says "Only show resolutions this monitor can support", which applies to each monitor. If I select that, I can only choose certain resolutions, and those are the ones my screen{s} can support?... (I am running multiple screens...) You may find that this option only works under certain drivers and certain screen handlers under video drivers being loaded in with Windows. I have the Catalyst Control Centre... that would be that CCC that was mentioned??.... One loaded in once, it doesnt have to be run all the time, but it will alter the windows resolutions to ones that your screen can do. Catalyst Control Centre is only available for AMD , ATI or Radeon Video cards, or a mix of all three, as they are the same company now... Which pretty much covers everything these days that isnt that awful "Intell inside" crud. I "think", which means I may be wrong, that you can get the latest AMD/ATI catalyst from here.... www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/catalystThe site is "safe", I have never had nasties hitch-hike along with their software... but mine is set to update on request, so I never had to start from scratch?... |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 8, 2014 16:43:20 GMT
I dont know if this helps, but on my screen resolutions, settings, in Wind-Woes, I have a option that says "Only show resolutions this monitor can support", which applies to each monitor. If I select that, I can only choose certain resolutions, and those are the ones my screen{s} can support?... (I am running multiple screens...) You may find that this option only works under certain drivers and certain screen handlers under video drivers being loaded in with Windows. I have the Catalyst Control Centre... that would be that CCC that was mentioned??.... One loaded in once, it doesnt have to be run all the time, but it will alter the windows resolutions to ones that your screen can do. Catalyst Control Centre is only available for AMD , ATI or Radeon Video cards, or a mix of all three, as they are the same company now... Which pretty much covers everything these days that isnt that awful "Intell inside" crud. I "think", which means I may be wrong, that you can get the latest AMD/ATI catalyst from here.... www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/catalystThe site is "safe", I have never had nasties hitch-hike along with their software... but mine is set to update on request, so I never had to start from scratch?... That's where I downloaded from too, but as I said earlier, there are rumblings around the net that as of version 9.x, the only way to always make 100% sure your drivers install correctly is to do a clean installation, wiping the old ones first. I might try that later on, but at the moment I'm waiting for customer service at Packard Bell to answer my e-mail, asking if they know what to do about the problem. I sent it yesterday and was promised an answer by today, but nothing's happened yet and it's almost 7 p.m. here, so I'm not holding my breath. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 9, 2014 8:14:49 GMT
Version of 9x?...
What 9x are you referring too there?.... is that DX9?... if there is DX involved, you need all versions you can find of Direct X.
Not all sites or software use DX9X, some use DX8, some older ones DX7 even, so you need more than one.
Do not wipe any version of DX from your system without further assistance.
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Post by c64 on Jul 9, 2014 9:16:26 GMT
Version of 9x?... What 9x are you referring too there?.... is that DX9?... if there is DX involved, you need all versions you can find of Direct X. Not all sites or software use DX9X, some use DX8, some older ones DX7 even, so you need more than one. Do not wipe any version of DX from your system without further assistance. If the application uses a wrong DX version, the graphics will have glitches. The problem here is that the screen becomes confused by the video signal. The resolution and timing of the video signal is fixed and generated by the graphic card hardware, not by software. When a screen keeps auto adjusting, it senses a changing timing of the video signal, not a bad content. |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 9, 2014 12:47:38 GMT
Version of 9x?... What 9x are you referring too there?.... is that DX9?... if there is DX involved, you need all versions you can find of Direct X. Not all sites or software use DX9X, some use DX8, some older ones DX7 even, so you need more than one. Do not wipe any version of DX from your system without further assistance. Whoa there! You misunderstood me. There's no DirectX problem. The 9.x reference was to say there's been talk of problems with AMD Catalyst since version nine-point-something. The x is just there to signify that I don't remember the specific number after the point. Just that it was somewhere between version 9.0 and 10.0 that the problem arose. I think it was 9.4, but I'm not sure. Hence the x after the 9. |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 9, 2014 12:57:13 GMT
Version of 9x?... What 9x are you referring too there?.... is that DX9?... if there is DX involved, you need all versions you can find of Direct X. Not all sites or software use DX9X, some use DX8, some older ones DX7 even, so you need more than one. Do not wipe any version of DX from your system without further assistance. If the application uses a wrong DX version, the graphics will have glitches. The problem here is that the screen becomes confused by the video signal. The resolution and timing of the video signal is fixed and generated by the graphic card hardware, not by software. When a screen keeps auto adjusting, it senses a changing timing of the video signal, not a bad content. Interesting... If the auto adjust function kicks in because of faulty timing between the card and the monitor, but the problem wasn't there for the first two years after I got the computer, something's changed after that time period. I'd ruled out the cable because I've used it to hook the computer up to my Samsung TV without problems, but might it be the cable after all? Could the TV (which is newer than the monitor) just have a function that compensates for the bad timing, or simply not have an auto adjust function, which would then be why I didn't have problems? |
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Post by c64 on Jul 9, 2014 17:15:36 GMT
If the application uses a wrong DX version, the graphics will have glitches. The problem here is that the screen becomes confused by the video signal. The resolution and timing of the video signal is fixed and generated by the graphic card hardware, not by software. When a screen keeps auto adjusting, it senses a changing timing of the video signal, not a bad content. Interesting... If the auto adjust function kicks in because of faulty timing between the card and the monitor, but the problem wasn't there for the first two years after I got the computer, something's changed after that time period. I'd ruled out the cable because I've used it to hook the computer up to my Samsung TV without problems, but might it be the cable after all? Could the TV (which is newer than the monitor) just have a function that compensates for the bad timing, or simply not have an auto adjust function, which would then be why I didn't have problems? There is the possibility that the card creates more jitter due to aging and/or the monitor became more sensitive. If this is a systematic problem, the video driver sets the hardware timing different. This isn't a version conflict, just a different way to set the resolution and fps rate. There is a variety of variables you can define which then have a certain resolution and ftp as a result. But there is more in a video signal than it is displayed. How long does it take until a new picture starts after the last one was finished drawing? How long between the horizontal sync signal until visible pixels are sent? In fact there isn't a real resolution setting inside a graphic card, just pixel clock and other timing parameters, this determines how many pixels are displayed and how they are arranged on the screen. Maybe the "Auto adjust" problem is caused by a jitter in the break between frames. Or something is just in between two possible settings of the screen and minor changes (e.g. a "wander") causes to make the screen switch between two different settings because the video signal becomes nearer to one of them alternating. Maybe you can tweak the fps setting? Most Linux graphic card drivers allow you to set the fps in 1/50s intervals, not just the classic "60Hz, 75Hz, ..." steps. |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 9, 2014 18:26:56 GMT
Interesting... If the auto adjust function kicks in because of faulty timing between the card and the monitor, but the problem wasn't there for the first two years after I got the computer, something's changed after that time period. I'd ruled out the cable because I've used it to hook the computer up to my Samsung TV without problems, but might it be the cable after all? Could the TV (which is newer than the monitor) just have a function that compensates for the bad timing, or simply not have an auto adjust function, which would then be why I didn't have problems? There is the possibility that the card creates more jitter due to aging and/or the monitor became more sensitive. If this is a systematic problem, the video driver sets the hardware timing different. This isn't a version conflict, just a different way to set the resolution and fps rate. There is a variety of variables you can define which then have a certain resolution and ftp as a result. But there is more in a video signal than it is displayed. How long does it take until a new picture starts after the last one was finished drawing? How long between the horizontal sync signal until visible pixels are sent? In fact there isn't a real resolution setting inside a graphic card, just pixel clock and other timing parameters, this determines how many pixels are displayed and how they are arranged on the screen. Maybe the "Auto adjust" problem is caused by a jitter in the break between frames. Or something is just in between two possible settings of the screen and minor changes (e.g. a "wander") causes to make the screen switch between two different settings because the video signal becomes nearer to one of them alternating. Maybe you can tweak the fps setting? Most Linux graphic card drivers allow you to set the fps in 1/50s intervals, not just the classic "60Hz, 75Hz, ..." steps. I'm not running a Linux system and wouldn't know how to, so that's not really a solution. But still, what you're basically saying is that my best bet is to buy a new monitor? |
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Post by c64 on Jul 10, 2014 9:29:07 GMT
But still, what you're basically saying is that my best bet is to buy a new monitor? This would be the best solution considering that this monitor refuses to work with most standard video modes. Maybe you can use it for something else, e.g. a HDMI HDTV receiver or a Raspberry Pi to turn it into a TV. |
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Post by kharnynb on Jul 10, 2014 11:39:16 GMT
The model you posted in the first post, should be a 19 inch model, not 21 inch.
It has a native resolution of 1366x768, so that is what you should try to run.
Refresh rate is relatively pointless on lcd's, and more a legacy of old tube style systems.
depending on the model, it has a d-sub connector or a dvi connector and a d-sub. It would be good to know what model and what connection cable you are using.
Your best move forward is to use a driver scrubber, such as I posted earlier, and reinstall the catalyst drivers from scratch.
If it is a d-sub only monitor, and the vga card takes dvi/hdmi, it might be worth replacing anyway.
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Post by c64 on Jul 10, 2014 14:03:51 GMT
Refresh rate is relatively pointless on lcd's, and more a legacy of old tube style systems. True, the LCD has its own independent refresh rate. The problem is that an LCD screen can't accept any random refresh rate from the graphic card. Also it has to sync the incoming data to its display rate. Without sync, it would display different pictures on different areas of the screen at the same time. This "auto adjust" is partially responsible to set how to sync the physical refresh rate of the display with the incoming rate of the pictures. So changing the fps of the graphic card has a great impact on the monitor. You could download "Knoppix" and start "SaX2" to fiddle with the refresh rates and pixel clock timing and see what the screen makes of this. I'd bet that the new driver uses a different timing e.g. to reserve more power for 3D graphics and this is by coincident a timing the particular screen doesn't like. |
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