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Post by kharnynb on Jul 10, 2014 14:49:03 GMT
That's why i was wondering if it's a d-sub monitor, since a hdmi or dvi wouldn't allow that signal pass anyway
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 10, 2014 18:40:25 GMT
That's why i was wondering if it's a d-sub monitor, since a hdmi or dvi wouldn't allow that signal pass anyway I don't know what a d-sub is, but if it has something to do with the connection ports available, I can tell you it's VGA only. There are no other cable options. |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 10, 2014 20:34:21 GMT
Okay, so with the unanimous verdict more or less being that I need to invest in a new screen and with my budget for getting one being what it is, I've been looking at a Samsung Sync Master LS22D390QS. It's a 21,5 " / 5 ms / TFT / 16:9 screen with both VGA and HDMI and the best price I can find is around $186.
I haven't been able to find any sites in English that have it, so there's no link. Maybe your Googling skills turn something up that mine couldn't.
We're on our second Samsung TV, we have a Samsung HDD recorder and two Samsung Galaxy SII phones in the house and have never been disappointed by their products before, so that's mainly why I'm looking at this and not other makes in the same price range.
Any thoughts? Pros? Cons?
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Post by ponytail61 on Jul 10, 2014 21:16:57 GMT
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 10, 2014 23:18:20 GMT
Thanks for that  Last time I ran it on PriceRunner, the 1,018 DKR one was the cheapest that included shipping. The one that's there now at 949.00 DKR is in fact with shipping included, so you've just saved me 69.00 DKR, which is about $12.50 Going bigger and bumping it up to 24" isn't an option. My desk is placed under a sloped roof with a windowsill right above the screen and I can't move it anywhere else to accomodate a larger screen. Thanks for looking into that though |
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Post by kharnynb on Jul 11, 2014 3:06:33 GMT
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Post by ponytail61 on Jul 11, 2014 5:18:21 GMT
The 5ms on the Samsung is as fast as it gets on IPS/PLS panels. "Response times are quite comparable to IPS matrices, with 5ms G2G being the current lowest spec on paper" www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies.htmThe picture quality is considerably better than on TN panel monitors. Here's a video to show the difference, but you should probably go to an electronics retailer nearby and compare in person. |
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Post by c64 on Jul 11, 2014 13:36:24 GMT
That's why i was wondering if it's a d-sub monitor, since a hdmi or dvi wouldn't allow that signal pass anyway I don't know what a d-sub is, but if it has something to do with the connection ports available, I can tell you it's VGA only. There are no other cable options. I had thought that this is the case. For HDMI, there is no need for an "auto adjust" feature. The auto adjust is for figuring out the resolution and fps as well as where the picture content is located in the signal. A CRT needs time for the electron ray beam to jump back to the start of a new line and picture. This time isn't really standardized except for a minimum time to give the CRT enough time. The actual time depends on the graphics card how long it needs to read the next video line data from the memory into the line output buffer. This is the only way to create a stable picture since the picture memory - especially shared onboard graphic card memory - can't be accessed at any time for sure. On a CRT, you had to fiddle with the knobs to set the size and position of the picture to match your CRT screen. This had to be done for every video mode. More advanced monitors have an "auto adjust" feature which analyzes the video signal to determine when visible content of a video line starts and stops. Using DVI-D or HDMI which is the same for the video data, the pixel grid is fully defined and the position of each transmitted pixel is defined by digital numbers. So there is no need for the classic auto-adjust feature. Some monitors still report an "auto adjust" for their internal syncing process and setting brightness and other parameters. A good monitor makes a difference between the CEA and DMT standard. Originally, DVI was its own standard and the screen resolution and fps timing (as well as progressive and interlaced mode) was standardized as various DMT (Digital Monitor ...uem... something like Transfer?). When HDMI was invented, it was originally meant for TVs only with a different standard (CEA = Consumer Electronics Association). The CEA Table has the common TV video modes like 720x576@50Hz interlaced which is the standard for European DVDs or 640x480@60Hz interlaced as for US DVDs. HDMI which was developed after DVI is compatible and can also handle the DMT lookup table of DVI. Also modern DVI can also handle the CEA table of HDMI. So at least for the video data, DVI and HDMI are now mostly identical. The need of two different lookup tables for historic reasons is actually a good thing. You can determine if the screen is supposed to display videos (CEA) or data (DMT). There is a major difference between a computer screen and a TV screen. Every home computer user from the 80s/90s knows this. Full white is annoyingly bright on a TV screen. Graphical user interfaces usually showed black on (light) grey rather than white which PCs display black on pure white. So a good monitor/TV can figure out if it should generate an eye-friendly white e.g. for word processing or crank up the brightness to anticipate F/X movie effects. Just because a DVD or receiver connects by CEA standard and a PC by DMT standard. |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 12, 2014 14:42:20 GMT
It was apparently on sale. The price is now up to 1,000,- again. Never mind that though. Found a different site that sells it for 984,-, shipping included. Potential new problem though... The site that I'm now looking at buying from was a little more detailed with the specs for this thing. One thing that stood out was the OS requirements that said Win 8.1. Am I really to understand that this means there are no drivers that'll make it work wit a Win 7 computer? I can't really imagine that's the case, but I'd rather ask you guys and be on the safe side than buy it and have to return it at my own expense if it won't work with Win 7. |
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Post by ponytail61 on Jul 12, 2014 17:09:55 GMT
It was apparently on sale. The price is now up to 1,000,- again. Never mind that though. Found a different site that sells it for 984,-, shipping included. Potential new problem though... The site that I'm now looking at buying from was a little more detailed with the specs for this thing. One thing that stood out was the OS requirements that said Win 8.1. Am I really to understand that this means there are no drivers that'll make it work wit a Win 7 computer? I can't really imagine that's the case, but I'd rather ask you guys and be on the safe side than buy it and have to return it at my own expense if it won't work with Win 7. Here's the Samsung page for it linkSays it's windows and mac compatible and is Win8.1 CertifiedThere are links at the bottom to download user manual if that helps |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 12, 2014 18:33:36 GMT
It was apparently on sale. The price is now up to 1,000,- again. Never mind that though. Found a different site that sells it for 984,-, shipping included. Potential new problem though... The site that I'm now looking at buying from was a little more detailed with the specs for this thing. One thing that stood out was the OS requirements that said Win 8.1. Am I really to understand that this means there are no drivers that'll make it work wit a Win 7 computer? I can't really imagine that's the case, but I'd rather ask you guys and be on the safe side than buy it and have to return it at my own expense if it won't work with Win 7. Here's the Samsung page for it linkSays it's windows and mac compatible and is Win8.1 CertifiedThere are links at the bottom to download user manual if that helps Thanks for all your help That goes for all of you. I may not have been able to fix the problem, but at least I've gained a lot of knowledge about what may have caused it and a lot of knowledge about how screens work in general, so no time spent on this has been wasted. At least none of mine, anyway  I think I'm going to order this screen and see how it goes. I'll let you all know when I've tried it out for a while. |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 13, 2014 21:25:07 GMT
And the closing price became 947.49 DKR, shipping included, which amounts to around $173. The prices apparently swing wildly on computer screens at the moment, so I'm glad I didn't order it until just now. Expected delivery is on wednesday and I'll let you guys know how it all works out |
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Post by kharnynb on Jul 14, 2014 10:48:14 GMT
when you get the monitor, you should connect it with a cable similar to this:  It should be included with the monitor. Any old cables, and connectors that were used with the old monitor should not be reused, just to be sure ;D basically, that kind of cable, from bare connection on the graphicscard to back of monitor. |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 14, 2014 15:41:31 GMT
when you get the monitor, you should connect it with a cable similar to this: It should be included with the monitor. Any old cables, and connectors that were used with the old monitor should not be reused, just to be sure ;D basically, that kind of cable, from bare connection on the graphicscard to back of monitor. Erm... I thought I was buying this new monitor to be able to cennect it with HDMI...? It only has HDMI and VGA ports, so that cable (whatever that is) is not an option. |
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Post by kharnynb on Jul 14, 2014 16:35:08 GMT
ah, hadn't looked up the spec of the right monitor....
yeah, then connect by hdmi, not vga.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 14, 2014 20:09:44 GMT
ah, hadn't looked up the spec of the right monitor.... yeah, then connect by hdmi, not vga. Phew... You had me worried there for a second! Just heard from the shipping company this afternoon that they'll be delivering it tomorrow instead of wednesday, so it would have been too late to cancel it, since it's already in transit  |
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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 14, 2014 21:39:23 GMT
And the closing price became 947.49 DKR, shipping included, which amounts to around $173. The prices apparently swing wildly on computer screens at the moment, so I'm glad I didn't order it until just now. Expected delivery is on wednesday and I'll let you guys know how it all works out That's not a bad price, working out at just over £100 - which is a little more than I paid for mine without any delivery charge. Of course my other PC has a LCD screen that cost the Earth-shattering price of *drum roll* £10. |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 15, 2014 12:20:10 GMT
And the closing price became 947.49 DKR, shipping included, which amounts to around $173. The prices apparently swing wildly on computer screens at the moment, so I'm glad I didn't order it until just now. Expected delivery is on wednesday and I'll let you guys know how it all works out That's not a bad price, working out at just over £100 - which is a little more than I paid for mine without any delivery charge. Of course my other PC has a LCD screen that cost the Earth-shattering price of *drum roll* £10. Nope, not a bad price at all Just got i through the door and set up and am now viewing this site as the first thing on my new screen (besides the startup screen and desktop, of course) It's a lot bigger than I'd anticipated and that's going to take some getting used to. It's a good thing I didn't go for the 24". It simply wouldn't have fit under the windowsill and with the distance I'm sitting from it, I would have ended up having to turn my head to look at the edges First impression is good though. Nice, crisp picture in full HD and best of all: Win 7 figured out the correct resolution setting right away and there's no sight of the auro adjust feature at all, since I'm now connecting it with HDMI instead of VGA. I'll let you all know if I run into any problems, but I'm not expecting any, so for now: CASE CLOSED |
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Post by c64 on Jul 15, 2014 13:38:27 GMT
It's a lot bigger than I'd anticipated There are two ways to rate the size of a screen. The CRTs were rated in the size of the CRT itself, not just the visual part. So the screen always seemed smaller than the rating. With LCD, the US rating is the visible screen while the EU rating includes an imaginary border zone to match the rating with CRTs. And due to global trading, any new monitor with the same inch rating can be smaller or bigger than your old one. |
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Post by the light works on Jul 15, 2014 16:59:18 GMT
That's not a bad price, working out at just over £100 - which is a little more than I paid for mine without any delivery charge. Of course my other PC has a LCD screen that cost the Earth-shattering price of *drum roll* £10. Nope, not a bad price at all Just got i through the door and set up and am now viewing this site as the first thing on my new screen (besides the startup screen and desktop, of course) It's a lot bigger than I'd anticipated and that's going to take some getting used to. It's a good thing I didn't go for the 24". It simply wouldn't have fit under the windowsill and with the distance I'm sitting from it, I would have ended up having to turn my head to look at the edges First impression is good though. Nice, crisp picture in full HD and best of all: Win 7 figured out the correct resolution setting right away and there's no sight of the auro adjust feature at all, since I'm now connecting it with HDMI instead of VGA. I'll let you all know if I run into any problems, but I'm not expecting any, so for now: CASE CLOSED excellent choice for the first site browsed. |
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