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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Sept 29, 2014 13:21:11 GMT
I've never seen any go kart where you are able to move your feet around to switch pedals. All classes for go kart racing are required to have one foot on the brake pedal all times. They always have one pedal for each foot. If there is a manual clutch, there is a ring to pull at the steering wheel. Most ride on lawnmowers are different, they use left=clutch, right=brake and a lever (or an automatic regulator) as accelerator. the one I drove was not a racing cart. I forget whether it had a pedal on each side of the steering wheel, or both pedals on the right. the self drive cars they have at disneyland only have ONE pedal. push to go, release to stop. here, riding lawnmowers have the brake/clutch on the left, and unless they are a hydrostatic, nothing on the right. larger tractors will have clutch on the left, and split brakes on the right. then often a small throttle lever below the brakes. Most of the carts I've driven have been brake left, accelerator right with the steering column separating them making it next to impossible to use one foot for both. The exception I can think of is an electric two-seater (side-by-side) cart with both pedals next to each other, the steering column was raised so you could use one foot. Current lawnmower is brake left, accelerator/clutch right (toe touch for forward, heel touch for reverse).
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Post by the light works on Sept 29, 2014 14:10:59 GMT
the one I drove was not a racing cart. I forget whether it had a pedal on each side of the steering wheel, or both pedals on the right. the self drive cars they have at disneyland only have ONE pedal. push to go, release to stop. here, riding lawnmowers have the brake/clutch on the left, and unless they are a hydrostatic, nothing on the right. larger tractors will have clutch on the left, and split brakes on the right. then often a small throttle lever below the brakes. Most of the carts I've driven have been brake left, accelerator right with the steering column separating them making it next to impossible to use one foot for both. The exception I can think of is an electric two-seater (side-by-side) cart with both pedals next to each other, the steering column was raised so you could use one foot. Current lawnmower is brake left, accelerator/clutch right (toe touch for forward, heel touch for reverse). that is a hydrostatic.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 30, 2014 8:40:04 GMT
I have driver a larger Go-Cart with brake and accelerator on the right.... Clutch on the left...... This one had gears.
I suppose that makes it different from the smaller single gear engines....
The reason I had to go for the larger machines was purely I couldn't fold myself into a smaller cart. I am too tall to get my legs inside the safety area's....
But having already held a Racing licence, it was presumed I would be track savvy enough to know how to handle that cart.
Three spins later, I realised I had to warm the tyres quite a bit to get grip....
Hellllllll Yeahhhhhhh.... miles of smiles..... Ok, so, I needed help to get off the thing afterwards, they are a bit low and awkward, but I was smiling for a week after that.
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Post by c64 on Oct 1, 2014 12:52:52 GMT
larger tractors will have clutch on the left, and split brakes on the right. then often a small throttle lever below the brakes. The "framing kind", not the "big lawnmower" ones, yes. The farming tractors are usually operated like cars. In most European countries, split brakes are not allowed on the roads. Either they have separate pedals, usually one for each foot, and a single main brake pedal or a split main brake pedal you need to put a bolt in to sync them in order to be allowed to drive on the road.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Oct 1, 2014 12:58:34 GMT
I have driver a larger Go-Cart with brake and accelerator on the right.... Clutch on the left...... This one had gears. I suppose that makes it different from the smaller single gear engines.... The reason I had to go for the larger machines was purely I couldn't fold myself into a smaller cart. I am too tall to get my legs inside the safety area's.... But having already held a Racing licence, it was presumed I would be track savvy enough to know how to handle that cart. Three spins later, I realised I had to warm the tyres quite a bit to get grip.... Hellllllll Yeahhhhhhh.... miles of smiles..... Ok, so, I needed help to get off the thing afterwards, they are a bit low and awkward, but I was smiling for a week after that. That conjures an image that seems laughable. Go Kart for SD? I'm slightly partial to this one.
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Post by the light works on Oct 1, 2014 13:49:37 GMT
larger tractors will have clutch on the left, and split brakes on the right. then often a small throttle lever below the brakes. The "framing kind", not the "big lawnmower" ones, yes. The farming tractors are usually operated like cars. In most European countries, split brakes are not allowed on the roads. Either they have separate pedals, usually one for each foot, and a single main brake pedal or a split main brake pedal you need to put a bolt in to sync them in order to be allowed to drive on the road. well how would I know this, I've only been around equipment for 35 years. Attachment Deletedhandy tip: just because I don't don't describe things down to minute details does not mean I don't know them. it means either that I assume the information is not necessary, or that a reasonable person will be able to figure it out on their own. and don't forget that our population density is significantly less than yours. our big lawnmower tractors are as larger than your small farm tractors.
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Post by c64 on Oct 5, 2014 11:04:29 GMT
and don't forget that our population density is significantly less than yours. our big lawnmower tractors are as larger than your small farm tractors. We differ in the way the thing is designed. The ride on lawn mowers are just that, a large lawn mower with a seat on top. The mowing part is part of the structure, you can't remove it. A lawnmower tractor is a real vehicle with a mower attached but not necessary for the vehicle. Lawnmower tractors can be road legal, ride on lawn mowers not!
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Post by kharnynb on Oct 5, 2014 11:31:28 GMT
It still is a US thing to have huge lawns, i've never seen this trend anywhere else, even in area's where land is no issue(finland, australia)
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Post by the light works on Oct 5, 2014 14:08:57 GMT
and don't forget that our population density is significantly less than yours. our big lawnmower tractors are as larger than your small farm tractors. We differ in the way the thing is designed. The ride on lawn mowers are just that, a large lawn mower with a seat on top. The mowing part is part of the structure, you can't remove it. A lawnmower tractor is a real vehicle with a mower attached but not necessary for the vehicle. Lawnmower tractors can be road legal, ride on lawn mowers not! let's go back to what I said: we have two styles of riding lawnmower - the small kind like you describe: a self propelled lawnmower with a seat instead of a handle; and a bigger kind that looks like a tractor, but does not have any PTO other than to drive the lawnmower. they can tow things, but cannot drive implements; and may have a transmission instead of just a belt drive. then we have small garden tractors, which are not large enough for a three point rear implement, but large enough to have a real PTO. these will usually have a similar control setup to a tractor style riding lawnmower. then we have large garden tractors, which may still have hydrostatic control, or may have a standard tractor transmission. these will often have split brakes, and since you thrive on minutinae, they typically have a knifelike lever pivoting on the right hand brake pedal, which can be used to lock the brake pedals together for highway travel. some models of these can have all the attachments that full size tractors can carry, including three point attachments, backhoes, front loaders, etc. from there we go to hobby farm tractors, which are the size of your farming tractors, and progress up to commercial tractors, which are the size your company couldn't sell enough of to stay in business. I learned to drive, first on a small garden tractor, with a transmission, then one with a hydrostatic drive. transitioned from that to a backhoe (JCB for the Brits) and then learned to drive cars. over the years, my father's garden tractor has gone from a single cylinder Bolens to a 6 cylinder John Deere, and the lawn has gone from 40 hours to mow, to about 4.
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Post by c64 on Oct 5, 2014 15:56:36 GMT
and a bigger kind that looks like a tractor, but does not have any PTO other than to drive the lawnmower. they can tow things, but cannot drive implements; and may have a transmission instead of just a belt drive. Those are considered as tractors since they have a real drive, "real" brakes and a real wheelbase and structure. A tractor doesn't have to have a PTO. As long as you can remove the mower and the vehicle still works, it is considered as a tractor.
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Post by the light works on Oct 5, 2014 21:09:44 GMT
and a bigger kind that looks like a tractor, but does not have any PTO other than to drive the lawnmower. they can tow things, but cannot drive implements; and may have a transmission instead of just a belt drive. Those are considered as tractors since they have a real drive, "real" brakes and a real wheelbase and structure. A tractor doesn't have to have a PTO. As long as you can remove the mower and the vehicle still works, it is considered as a tractor. not here, it isn't. if all it is good for is mowing lawns, it is a lawnmower.
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 6, 2014 7:46:55 GMT
Around here, the local parks and recreation type ride on lawnmowers that are used for public places are road legal... they have to be, because to get to some grass places they have to cross roads. These are single use vehicles, they mow Grass, thats all they do.
However, they are (small) tractor based..... As in, you could remove the lawnmower parts and it be a small tractor... just not easily.
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Post by the light works on Oct 7, 2014 0:07:57 GMT
here, "road legal" involves being able to maintain a certain minimum speed, as well. however, there is a difference between crossing a job to get from one piece of grass to another, and driving along the road.
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 7, 2014 7:53:30 GMT
There are several classes of road vehicles, Pedestrian controlled to fill articulated 44 ton, but the road legal is anything that uses the road under its own power that can exceed "Walking pace", MUST carry licence plate pay road tax and have minimum safety checks.
So Sit-On mowers that are designed to use the road, for whatever distance, must be road legal, especially if they can exceed walking pace 4mph to 6mph.
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Post by the light works on Oct 7, 2014 14:13:00 GMT
There are several classes of road vehicles, Pedestrian controlled to fill articulated 44 ton, but the road legal is anything that uses the road under its own power that can exceed "Walking pace", MUST carry licence plate pay road tax and have minimum safety checks. So Sit-On mowers that are designed to use the road, for whatever distance, must be road legal, especially if they can exceed walking pace 4mph to 6mph. I know while I was in California, there was a class of glorified golf carts that was listed as eligible for licensing as road vehicles, and part of the requirement was that they had to be able to maintain a minimum travel speed that would not impede traffic. however, if, for example, I chose to drive my lawnmower across the road to mow my neighbor's lawn, that would not require the lawnmower to be road legal. that would just require that I obey all the rules a pedestrian crossing the road would be required to obey.
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