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Post by ironhold on Sept 27, 2014 1:36:53 GMT
SPOILERS
The climax of the film has main character Robert McCall (Denzel Washington) fighting off a group of mobsters inside a blacked-out big-box home improvement store. McCall has no weapons, and so he is forced to improvise from among the items in stock.
Although there are a number of items that can obviously be used as weapons (in fact, it is strongly implied that he "borrowed" a sledge in order to attack a man who robbed the place at gunpoint), most of what he uses is "non-traditional" at best.
Among the items -
*In one scene, he impales a mobster using what appear to be pruning shears; specifically, he has the kind with the long handles used to trim trees.
*Another scene has him killing a mobster by using an electric drill; he waits until the man's back is turned and then drills into the back of the mobster's head.
*He kills the main hit man with a nail gun. At first, he uses the nail gun like a bolt-action rifle, firing nails into the man from a distance. He then kills the hit man by pressing the nail gun up against a vital spot and firing it point-blank.
*He kills another mobster by sticking what appears to be cans of fuel for outdoor grills into a microwave, creating a crude bomb.
*Another mobster is killed by a noose made from barbed wire. Specifically, he is strangled by the wire after being lifted several feet into the air (a bag of gravel is used as a deadweight), with the wire cutting into his neck.
Also, near the start of the film he kills a different mobster by repeatedly stabbing him with a pair of large metal corkscrews he uses like punching daggers. He also puts another man's eye out using the same corkscrews.
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Post by watcher56 on Sept 27, 2014 19:08:52 GMT
Now there is a movie I don't want to see.
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Post by ironhold on Sept 27, 2014 19:47:11 GMT
McCall is a retired CIA agent who is trying to make a fresh start as a working stiff. All he wants to do is earn a honest pay check and make his way through the library his late wife compiled as part of her "bucket list" goal of reading the 100 "best" books.
However, things go pear-shaped when a girl who he's essentially adopted as a daughter gets beaten so badly by her pimp that she winds up in the hospital. McCall tries to buy her freedom by offering the pimp $9800 in cash, but when the pimp rejects his offer a fight breaks out and McCall kills the pimp along with the guy's thugs.
McCall sees this as one last hurrah for his CIA days, especially since he took four seconds longer than his best guess to kill everyone. However, the pimp was actually the boss in charge of local operations for an international crime syndicate, and so by "freeing" the girl McCall has inadvertantly triggered a mob war as the syndicate turns on everyone in an effort to figure out who was behind it. The mobsters eventually track him down to the big-box home improvement store where he works, forcing a showdown while he tries to buy time for his co-workers to evacuate.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 28, 2014 9:48:45 GMT
"Zero" range.
Even of the safety is disabled, because the nails do not rifle, they tumble, they loose speed and lethality in about the same distance as throwing the nail gun in the first place would.
Even if they are the heavy duty cartridge gunpowder fired nail guns that put bolts into concrete... the bolts are only lethal at short range.
Extreme short range.
It is rumoured that it is so be design to prevent them being used as weapons?.....
So is that rumour itself a myth?... I dunno....
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 28, 2014 10:23:48 GMT
McCall is a retired CIA agent who is trying to make a fresh start as a working stiff. All he wants to do is earn a honest pay check and make his way through the library his late wife compiled as part of her "bucket list" goal of reading the 100 "best" books. However, things go pear-shaped when a girl who he's essentially adopted as a daughter gets beaten so badly by her pimp that she winds up in the hospital. McCall tries to buy her freedom by offering the pimp $9800 in cash, but when the pimp rejects his offer a fight breaks out and McCall kills the pimp along with the guy's thugs. McCall sees this as one last hurrah for his CIA days, especially since he took four seconds longer than his best guess to kill everyone. However, the pimp was actually the boss in charge of local operations for an international crime syndicate, and so by "freeing" the girl McCall has inadvertantly triggered a mob war as the syndicate turns on everyone in an effort to figure out who was behind it. The mobsters eventually track him down to the big-box home improvement store where he works, forcing a showdown while he tries to buy time for his co-workers to evacuate. It's based on the 1980s series starring Edward Woodward, though he was a retired agent that advertised as a troubleshoot rather than falling into it as the version seems to have done. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 28, 2014 15:04:10 GMT
"Zero" range. Even of the safety is disabled, because the nails do not rifle, they tumble, they loose speed and lethality in about the same distance as throwing the nail gun in the first place would. Even if they are the heavy duty cartridge gunpowder fired nail guns that put bolts into concrete... the bolts are only lethal at short range. Extreme short range. It is rumoured that it is so be design to prevent them being used as weapons?..... So is that rumour itself a myth?... I dunno.... it isn't the lack of rifling. it is the fact that the "barrel" (if you consider the part the nail feeds in to be the chamber) is at most the difference between the shortest nail the gun will feed and the longest nail the gun will feed; and is larger than the head of the nail the real reason for this is because the longer you make the barrel, the longer the drive piston has to be - as the drive piston must push the nail to the end of the barrel; and because if the barrel is only as big as the shaft of the nail, the nail cannot have a head. - so, rather than designing a nail gun so you could not use it as a gun - they designed it so you could use it to drive nails. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 29, 2014 6:54:59 GMT
How silly of them?.....
But seriously, since early tests showed that human nature kids will play, they have put on safety devices to stop work colleges flicking nails at each other etc...
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Post by the light works on Sept 29, 2014 14:41:14 GMT
How silly of them?..... But seriously, since early tests showed that human nature kids will play, they have put on safety devices to stop work colleges flicking nails at each other etc... I think we have a myth... they did put on safety devices to prevent accidental discharge. But I don't believe that even older nail gun could shoot nails like darts. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 30, 2014 8:33:22 GMT
You would have to ask the makers how the design evolved....
But that again would be educational.
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Post by the light works on Sept 30, 2014 13:51:25 GMT
You would have to ask the makers how the design evolved.... But that again would be educational. as I said... I believe we have a myth. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Sept 30, 2014 15:17:19 GMT
They tested using nail guns as projectile weapons.
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Post by the light works on Sept 30, 2014 17:14:28 GMT
They tested using nail guns as projectile weapons. yes, but the myth is if it makes a difference whether it is an old nail gun or a new one - I heard a myth about people using nails guns as dart guns back in the late 80s. so were old nailguns more effective as projectile weapons, and was this changed to prevent misuse? |
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Post by the light works on Sept 30, 2014 17:16:41 GMT
so you're saying he...  bored him to death? |
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 1, 2014 7:48:40 GMT
I am not aware of all of the facts, so again, ask the makers, but, "Bolt Guns", those used to humanely slaughter livestock, may have been the origin of mail guns, and bolt guns are lethal at close range... well, Duh!, I suppose by design?...
Getting to drilling into a persons head... not easy, you have to get pressure on the head, unless you grab that head, they are going to get the heck away aint they?...
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Post by the light works on Oct 1, 2014 14:29:18 GMT
I am not aware of all of the facts, so again, ask the makers, but, "Bolt Guns", those used to humanely slaughter livestock, may have been the origin of mail guns, and bolt guns are lethal at close range... well, Duh!, I suppose by design?... Getting to drilling into a persons head... not easy, you have to get pressure on the head, unless you grab that head, they are going to get the heck away aint they?... This might go into how stupid AND in news of the weird, but it is more relevant here at the moment: some years back an Oregon methhead went to the ER with chronic headaches. on running all the scans, they found that at some tine he has used a pin nailer to shoot 17 headless finish nails into his skull (with no memory of doing it, because he was high at the time) |
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Post by tom1b on Oct 12, 2014 8:20:28 GMT
I've used nail guns since the 70s. My parents owned a house built in 1904 You don't drive nails into 70 year old wood with a hammer. Every nail you tried to hammer in bent because the wood was so hard. Nail guns are a must. Even some small diameter screws need to be predrilled because the heads will rip off before fully seating if you don't. So, it was nail guns or predrilling. They never fired for distance. They never had any rifling. Nails were never made to be aerodynamic. They were half heads, taped together. There have been multiple suicide attempts. There have been multiple accidents that had the nail gun bounce off a head and inject a nail or a nail ricochet off the wood into the head. Injury by Power Tool: Unusual incident tests providers' skills"Multiple reports of self-inflicted intracranial foreign bodies are documented in the literature. The majority of these are reportedly from suicide attempts. Because the entrance wound may be extremely difficult to see, prehospital providers and ED personnel need to be suspicious of a suicide attempt or psychiatric illness when a patient presents with any blood on the head. Fatality is reported in up to 40% of cases involving penetrating head trauma." A nail would create a puncture wound and puncture wounds have a habit of sealing themselves up. The first rule of first aid for a puncture wound is leave it alone. Do NOT remove whatever is causing the puncture until you are at the hospital. The "meth head" admitted to attempting suicide. Oregon man survives 12 nails to the head"The man at first told doctors he had had a "nail gun accident." It wasn't until later that the patient admitted he'd used meth and the injury was a suicide attempt." Ever see a captive bolt gun? Ever see the size of the bolt compared to a nail? The bolt gun can either deliver a stunning blow or a killing blow. The bolts are flat on the end (like a bolt) and look like a 20d-40d nail, so more like a small spike (with a blunt tip). Stunning bolts can have a diameter of 1.5" and penetrating bolts 0.5". Both are still point blank weapons. Barbed wire at a home improvement store? I have to go to the farm supply store to see barbed wire. I sure don't see any at Lowe's, Menards or Home Depot. Lowe's & Home Depot have it listed on their site, but listed as "not available in stores." |
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Post by the light works on Oct 12, 2014 22:06:35 GMT
I've used nail guns since the 70s. My parents owned a house built in 1904 You don't drive nails into 70 year old wood with a hammer. Every nail you tried to hammer in bent because the wood was so hard. Nail guns are a must. Even some small diameter screws need to be predrilled because the heads will rip off before fully seating if you don't. So, it was nail guns or predrilling. They never fired for distance. They never had any rifling. Nails were never made to be aerodynamic. They were half heads, taped together. There have been multiple suicide attempts. There have been multiple accidents that had the nail gun bounce off a head and inject a nail or a nail ricochet off the wood into the head. Injury by Power Tool: Unusual incident tests providers' skills"Multiple reports of self-inflicted intracranial foreign bodies are documented in the literature. The majority of these are reportedly from suicide attempts. Because the entrance wound may be extremely difficult to see, prehospital providers and ED personnel need to be suspicious of a suicide attempt or psychiatric illness when a patient presents with any blood on the head. Fatality is reported in up to 40% of cases involving penetrating head trauma." A nail would create a puncture wound and puncture wounds have a habit of sealing themselves up. The first rule of first aid for a puncture wound is leave it alone. Do NOT remove whatever is causing the puncture until you are at the hospital. The "meth head" admitted to attempting suicide. Oregon man survives 12 nails to the head"The man at first told doctors he had had a "nail gun accident." It wasn't until later that the patient admitted he'd used meth and the injury was a suicide attempt." Ever see a captive bolt gun? Ever see the size of the bolt compared to a nail? The bolt gun can either deliver a stunning blow or a killing blow. The bolts are flat on the end (like a bolt) and look like a 20d-40d nail, so more like a small spike (with a blunt tip). Stunning bolts can have a diameter of 1.5" and penetrating bolts 0.5". Both are still point blank weapons. Barbed wire at a home improvement store? I have to go to the farm supply store to see barbed wire. I sure don't see any at Lowe's, Menards or Home Depot. Lowe's & Home Depot have it listed on their site, but listed as "not available in stores." my mistake - 12, not 17. |
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