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Post by silverdragon on Nov 20, 2014 10:28:17 GMT
Why do so many people die shovelling snow?
This is from the BBC, but, is it worth investigating.....
So, Myth, Is shovelling snow actually that bad for you... or is this just media hype?.... Is it better to shovel the snow, or just walk over it.
I shovel snow, otherwise I cant get Car out, and Car needs daily exercise.....
I do push the snow, I do get over warm, I do take my outer jacket off as required, but... I take my bloody time. If you want out quicker, then grab the spare shovel.
Snow cancels "Time restrictions" here... we got to be there by Ten?.. we will get there when we get there, phone them and tell them we are trying our best but may be delayed... thats what the bloody phone is for isnt it?...
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Post by the light works on Nov 20, 2014 16:47:53 GMT
the inherent problem is snow is light and fluffy, and people forget that it is made of water; and water is heavy.
some years back, it was decided to do a snowman contest in our beach town - so the owner of the garbage company took a 21 yard drop box up to the snow and got a load - then found out when he crossed the scales that he was tons overweight.
so it is not that the snow is inherently harmful - it is that people don't think it through.
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Post by wvengineer on Nov 20, 2014 17:06:02 GMT
The BBC blurb explains the problem. People who are out of shape suddenly doing lot of heavy lifting overexerting themselves.
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Post by GTCGreg on Nov 20, 2014 17:41:51 GMT
People over 55 die of heart attacks sitting in their chairs too. Does the good doc advise not doing that too?
What most of these people are really dieing from is lack of common sense. If the most work you've done in years is to load the coffee pot, maybe you should think twice about shoveling snow.
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 21, 2014 9:09:05 GMT
The mythic p[art is Snow shovelling is "worse" than any other type of activity.
Someone did some counting (Clever aint they) and worked out one year 40 people died fishing... That isnt Trawler men, and sea fishermen, that those who sit on the bank peacefully dangling a rod and line over the water and catching Trout (etc)
So when 40 people die drowning worms, is it now a dangerous sport?...
No, the research showed many of the non-accidental-(bluebottle)-"He;s fallen in the water" type accidents, those that were not that, were gentlemen of retirement age who died of natural causes doing what they most loved.... Nothing.
Fishing is a good excuse to do nothing....
But back to snow.
I cant get the maths around why Snow is more special on the dangerous list than anything else.
If those people knew they had heart problems they wouldnt exert themselves?.. I have e next door neighbour who refuses to let anyone else shovel his snow.. he is retired, not an athlete, but when he does the job, he stops half way through for a brew and a sit down inside...
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Post by the light works on Nov 21, 2014 16:01:35 GMT
The mythic p[art is Snow shovelling is "worse" than any other type of activity. Someone did some counting (Clever aint they) and worked out one year 40 people died fishing... That isnt Trawler men, and sea fishermen, that those who sit on the bank peacefully dangling a rod and line over the water and catching Trout (etc) So when 40 people die drowning worms, is it now a dangerous sport?... No, the research showed many of the non-accidental-(bluebottle)-"He;s fallen in the water" type accidents, those that were not that, were gentlemen of retirement age who died of natural causes doing what they most loved.... Nothing. Fishing is a good excuse to do nothing.... But back to snow. I cant get the maths around why Snow is more special on the dangerous list than anything else. If those people knew they had heart problems they wouldnt exert themselves?.. I have e next door neighbour who refuses to let anyone else shovel his snow.. he is retired, not an athlete, but when he does the job, he stops half way through for a brew and a sit down inside... I'm betting each of those 40 people who died that year spent more than a half hour fishing that year. shovelling snow kills people for the same reason the number one cause of line of duty deaths among firefighters is heart attacks. because it is hard freaking work, and that makes it darned easy to overdo it and wreck yourself. - and when you couple it with people having a tendency to not know when to go inside and take a rest - it increases the odds.
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Post by the light works on Nov 21, 2014 16:19:45 GMT
but to answer your original question - it is better to be in good health - but failing that, in areas where snow is only occasional, it may be better to use a deicer or traction aid than to overexert yourself - or give a neighborhood kid $5.00 to do it for you.
or, if you aren't going anywhere, anyway - just leave it alone.
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Post by wvengineer on Nov 21, 2014 21:43:12 GMT
Or invest in powered snow removal equipment...
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Post by OziRiS on Nov 21, 2014 23:45:44 GMT
Or, if you're not concerned with your heating bill, attatch your gardening hose to your shower faucet, turn on the hot water and just melt the snow. When the water's frozen over, sprinkle salt all over it. Done.
(I'm not condoning or recommending it. Just saying it's an option.)
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Post by wvengineer on Nov 21, 2014 23:51:14 GMT
If you have money to burn, you can always get a heated driveway installed. Some of the high end houses in my area sport them.
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Post by the light works on Nov 22, 2014 8:08:22 GMT
If you have money to burn, you can always get a heated driveway installed. Some of the high end houses in my area sport them. if you have money to burn just make a bonfire and melt the snow...
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 22, 2014 8:51:01 GMT
I suppose I have kids.....
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Post by wvengineer on Nov 22, 2014 20:26:56 GMT
The first winter after I bought my house, we had a 2 foot snow fall in one storm. That is fairly common here. After shoveling that, I decided I needed a real snow blower. Got it the next summer when they started carrying them. Of course, the next winter, we didn't have any storms drop more than 6 inches. Of course the year after that, we has several 1 foot storms and one drop over 3 feet. That winter it paid for itself.
The problem with a snow blower is that it is overkill for anything under 6 inches. Of course, 6 inches is still a low of show to shovel. Has anyone used those electric power shovels? I have been considering getting one to take care of those small storms.
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Post by GTCGreg on Nov 22, 2014 20:29:58 GMT
The first winter after I bought my house, we had a 2 foot snow fall in one storm. That is fairly common here. After shoveling that, I decided I needed a real snow blower. Got it the next summer when they started carrying them. Of course, the next winter, we didn't have any storms drop more than 6 inches. Of course the year after that, we has several 1 foot storms and one drop over 3 feet. That winter it paid for itself. The problem with a snow blower is that it is overkill for anything under 6 inches. Of course, 6 inches is still a low of show to shovel. Has anyone used those electric power shovels? I have been considering getting one to take care of those small storms. We have one of those electric shovels. My wife likes it but I think it's a total waste of time. Just as easy and faster to just use a shovel. Like you said, anything over about 6 inches and I get out the big boy.
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Post by Cybermortis on Nov 22, 2014 23:48:36 GMT
Keep in mind that it isn't just the strain of heavy work, but the added strain of doing that work in cold weather.
As to why it gets reported more than, say, fishing? Because it is something that is unusual. As the saying goes 'dog bites man' is expected and hence less of a story that 'man bites dog'. A more specific example would be news reports about Pit Bulls and similar Bull Terrier breeds being dangerous. The reality is that such breeds are LESS dangerous statistically speaking that larger dog breeds. St Bernards, for example, are much more dangerous than Bull Terriers not because they are any more aggressive but simply because they are big dogs and hence if they do decide to nip at someone can do a heck of a lot more damage. They can also accidently cause injury though their size without intending to.
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Post by c64 on Nov 23, 2014 0:42:06 GMT
Here in Germany, it´s simple. You need to shovel snow or salt/sand it or you can become sued if someone gets hurt by slipping on the snow.
Personally, I prefer to walk on thick snow rather than a thin, slippery layer of half salted snow I also don>t mind to drive on snow instead of slippery salt water.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Nov 23, 2014 3:30:00 GMT
Many areas in the US Midwest, you've got a set amount of time (usually 1 or 2 days) to get your sidewalk cleared after a snowstorm. I don't know if people actually do get fined if they don't shovel, but it's in the law books.
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Post by GTCGreg on Nov 23, 2014 5:48:11 GMT
Many areas in the US Midwest, you've got a set amount of time (usually 1 or 2 days) to get your sidewalk cleared after a snowstorm. I don't know if people actually do get fined if they don't shovel, but it's in the law books. In our town, which is in the upper Midwest, you are not required to shovel the public sidewalk in front of your home but are strongly encouraged to do so. A number of years ago, a homeowner was sued because they did shovel the public walk. The reasoning behind the suit was that someone fell because the walk was more slippery because it was shoveled than it would have been if not shoveled. I don't recall the result of the suit, but because of it a lot of homeowners refused to shovel. In response, the town passed a "good Samaritan" ordinance that said that no one could be held liable for shoveling a public walkway.
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Post by c64 on Nov 23, 2014 11:35:41 GMT
In the town of my parents, using salt is illegal except for pure ice and you not only have to clear the sidewalk in front of your house, you also have to clear half of the street as well!
My parents are in luck, they live in a blind alley and all residents have an agreement not to shovel the snow away, just pour a sandy path for the mailman.
But everybody else has a real problem what to do with all the snow. Most residents are forced to erect huge walls of snow so some blocks look like fortresses. I wonder what's worse. Stepping on some snow or the potential treat to become buried under a collapsing wall of compressed snow...
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Post by the light works on Nov 23, 2014 15:14:37 GMT
Here in Germany, it´s simple. You need to shovel snow or salt/sand it or you can become sued if someone gets hurt by slipping on the snow. Personally, I prefer to walk on thick snow rather than a thin, slippery layer of half salted snow I also don>t mind to drive on snow instead of slippery salt water. Here in America they can sue you whether you shovel or not. and as for snow removal - I understand some cities in snowy regions of the US truck their snow out to landfills and dump it - where it eventually melts.
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