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Post by Antigone68104 on Nov 23, 2014 17:38:18 GMT
Omaha got in trouble one year, when we'd had heavy snow and the city started dumping it in the Missouri River. Which meant all that salt and road gunk was being dumped straight in the Missouri, instead of being caught at the water treatment plants.
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Post by c64 on Nov 23, 2014 22:47:46 GMT
Here in Germany, it´s simple. You need to shovel snow or salt/sand it or you can become sued if someone gets hurt by slipping on the snow. Personally, I prefer to walk on thick snow rather than a thin, slippery layer of half salted snow I also don>t mind to drive on snow instead of slippery salt water. Here in America they can sue you whether you shovel or not. and as for snow removal - I understand some cities in snowy regions of the US truck their snow out to landfills and dump it - where it eventually melts. If I did the math correct, 1m³ of snow would cost €170 as ¨non recycable¨ at the local landfill. |
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Post by the light works on Nov 24, 2014 0:59:40 GMT
Here in America they can sue you whether you shovel or not. and as for snow removal - I understand some cities in snowy regions of the US truck their snow out to landfills and dump it - where it eventually melts. If I did the math correct, 1m³ of snow would cost €170 as ¨non recycable¨ at the local landfill. I think the city demands reduced rates. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Nov 24, 2014 3:29:05 GMT
If I did the math correct, 1m³ of snow would cost €170 as ¨non recycable¨ at the local landfill. I think the city demands reduced rates. And I'm pretty sure snow would be considered recyclable. |
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Post by wvengineer on Nov 24, 2014 3:43:58 GMT
In my town, there are several interstate bridges that run though the center of town. Very poor design, but is another topic. Since they can't plow snow to the side, they have a interesting setup with a truck mounted snow blower that dumps in into a large trailer. I have wondered how practical it would be to pipe the truck's exhaust through that collected snow somehow to melt it and increase the removal capacity of such a truck.
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Post by the light works on Nov 24, 2014 4:31:22 GMT
In my town, there are several interstate bridges that run though the center of town. Very poor design, but is another topic. Since they can't plow snow to the side, they have a interesting setup with a truck mounted snow blower that dumps in into a large trailer. I have wondered how practical it would be to pipe the truck's exhaust through that collected snow somehow to melt it and increase the removal capacity of such a truck. more challenging with a trailer, but our plow trucks have a fitting that redirects the exhaust under the sanding grit machine loaded in the back of the truck (they are modified dump (tipper) trucks)I'd guess after the original modification it takes the mechanic an extra minute to make the switch. of course - keeping sand from freezing is different from melting snow to water to increase carrying capacity; and it may be that the trailer cannot carry the weight if you filled it with water. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 24, 2014 8:41:23 GMT
One ton of snow against one ton of water... Give me the snow any time.
Fluid dynamics... if you have never tried towing a tanker, it will snatch and twist you at the slightest provocation... towing that on a slippery surface... suicide load?...
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Post by the light works on Nov 24, 2014 15:19:25 GMT
One ton of snow against one ton of water... Give me the snow any time. Fluid dynamics... if you have never tried towing a tanker, it will snatch and twist you at the slightest provocation... towing that on a slippery surface... suicide load?... think more in terms of 75 cubic yards of snow vs. 75 cubic yards of water. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Nov 24, 2014 15:29:31 GMT
think more in terms of 75 cubic yards of snow vs. 75 cubic yards of water. Since snow can be up to 10 times more voluminous than water, 750 cubic yards of snow could be reduced to as little as 75 cubic yards of water. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Nov 24, 2014 15:33:56 GMT
Some cities such as NY and Chicago do have snow melting machines. I know the one's in Chicago aren't used very often because of the massive amount of fuel they use.
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Post by mrfatso on Nov 24, 2014 15:39:00 GMT
Here in the UK there is no requirement to shovel snow outside your house on the pavement, you are supposed to clear your path so the Postmana, etc can walk down it.
There is a theoretical risk if you were to clear the pavement, and someone slipped on slush you could be sued, but I think that there is not actual case where this has happened.
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Post by c64 on Nov 24, 2014 18:27:23 GMT
I think the city demands reduced rates. And I'm pretty sure snow would be considered recyclable. Not over here. It's not plastic, metal, paper, electronics, "biological", "chemical" or construction site garbage so it's "everything else" which is the most expensive form of garbage (except "chemicals") and either sent to the landfill or to the garbage burning power plant. |
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Post by the light works on Nov 25, 2014 2:12:06 GMT
And I'm pretty sure snow would be considered recyclable. Not over here. It's not plastic, metal, paper, electronics, "biological", "chemical" or construction site garbage so it's "everything else" which is the most expensive form of garbage (except "chemicals") and either sent to the landfill or to the garbage burning power plant. I'd love to see it go to the power plant. that would be funny. |
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Post by kharnynb on Dec 14, 2014 22:39:11 GMT
for normal small yard work, you just need a good pushing "shovel"  for anything bigger, they tend to either use services here that have trucks with snowblades or small gasoline powered blowers. Depending on the city, you are responsible for your sidewalk or the city does it. We don't have many people dying of shoveling as such here, but usually one or 2 die per year from roof snow slides. |
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Post by kharnynb on Dec 14, 2014 22:42:09 GMT
most cities move snow to the forest or even dump it in the middle of the lake once frozen over  exceptions are for airports, where there is a lot of glycol in the snow and it has to be stored on a special drained concrete platform. at helsinki-vantaa this snowmountain lasts until june |
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Jan 8, 2015 12:36:45 GMT
Living in Sydney snow isn't really something we have to worry about much - the last time it snowed in Sydney was during the last Ice Age. But while doing a little research on this subject I came across this image & I thought it might be of some relevance to this discussion.  & this is one is just for laughs.   |
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Post by the light works on Jan 8, 2015 15:52:50 GMT
Living in Sydney snow isn't really something we have to worry about much - the last time it snowed in Sydney was during the last Ice Age. But while doing a little research on this subject I came across this image & I thought it might be of some relevance to this discussion. & this is one is just for laughs. it's best to start slowly and taper off from there. I'd imagine you particularly don't see much snow in december or january... |
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Post by mrfatso on Jan 8, 2015 17:08:19 GMT
Living in Sydney snow isn't really something we have to worry about much - the last time it snowed in Sydney was during the last Ice Age. But while doing a little research on this subject I came across this image & I thought it might be of some relevance to this discussion. & this is one is just for laughs. it's best to start slowly and taper off from there. I'd imagine you particularly don't see much snow in december or january... No But the Blue Mountains, about 1hr west of Sydney do get snow in July and August. www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/blue-mountains-traffic-blocked-by-snow-and-ice-20140718-zuan2.html |
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Jan 10, 2015 5:13:46 GMT
True right now due to the rotational axis of the poles, it's mid summer her in Australia (at the moment it's 32C with a 62% humidity factor). But in winter we get snow in NSW, Victoria, Tasmania & the ACT. Due to the season turn around here we do Christmas in July for people who wish to have a European style Christmas experience, but who can't afford the cost of traveling overseas at Christmas time. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 11, 2015 11:51:23 GMT
Wow, two christmas a year?...
NO NO NO NO NO...>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs away screaming.
But hang on.....
I suppose cultural difference.
Candle mass, held mid winder, which is now absorbed into out one big "thing", is the old pagan old way that the people held a candle vigil at Mid winter to wish for a good year to follow.
In Australia, and in all south of the line places, its the other way round, so any candle mass mid winter would be June/July.
I have never really though this one through like that before.
I suppose its natural for those that live there....
So, question, do these people have a "Token" Xmas in December and do a full on winter based celebration in the depths of an Aussie bleak winter?....
I could handle that.
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