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Post by privatepaddy on Nov 10, 2012 15:49:52 GMT
Spare a thought for those that gave everything.
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Post by freegan on Nov 10, 2012 16:27:37 GMT
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
We will remember them.
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Post by privatepaddy on Nov 10, 2012 16:35:54 GMT
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old. Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them. We will remember them.Lest we forget
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Post by Lokifan on Nov 10, 2012 16:48:33 GMT
Obligatory, but still poignant:
In Flanders Fields
John McCrae (1915)
In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields.
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Post by wvengineer on Nov 10, 2012 18:32:15 GMT
This year, I would like to honor a certain Lt. Cornell (Retired) in the USAF, my Grandfather.
He enlisted in to the US Army in 1940 and became part of the Army Air Corp. He got involved in the then top secret use of compact RADAR systems that were small enough that they could be flow on aircraft. After a year in the states, he would then serve in England for several years an an officer in charge of the repair and maintenance of RADAR system in B-17 bombers First with the 91st Bomb Group (Triangle A). Among the planes that he worked on was the Memphis Bell. In 1942, he was moved to the 303rd Bomb group, the Hell's Angles.
After the war, he stayed full time until 1948. He left full time service to work for Pacific Power & Light, running the hydro electric dams along the Columbia river between Oregon and Washington States. Even while working full time, he still stayed a member of the USAF Reserves. He would finally retire from the USAF-ANG as a Lt. Cornell in the early 70's.
My grandfather passed away this August.
He served with honor and helped to bring as many men back home as he could.
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Post by Lokifan on Nov 10, 2012 18:39:33 GMT
I offer my sincere condolences on your loss. I lost my father in 1999 on July 3, and my mother on Veteran's Day of the same year. It gets easier with time, although I still feel a bit wistful, especially this time of year.
My father served in WW2. He joined the Wisconsin National Guard for 2 years voluntarily in 1941, got married in October, and was inducted into the Army after Pearl Harbor for the duration. He stayed stateside and was discharged as a Master Sergeant in the quartermaster corp. One of his brothers was a pharmacist's mate in the Navy in the Pacific, the other was a Marine who served in Europe.
All are gone but not forgotten.
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Post by cdgman on Nov 10, 2012 19:09:33 GMT
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Post by freegan on Nov 11, 2012 1:17:01 GMT
Although this day is for the remembrance of the fallen, should we not each day remember those who continue to pay the price of our freedom?
Thank you Soldier By Chris Woolnough
Have you stopped to thank a veteran today? For the price of freedom they had to pay? Did you gaze into those distant eyes? Did you see the ghosts he can't deny? Did you think a soldier's heart was made of steel? Because he was trained to kill, he couldn't feel? Did you see the guilt written on his face, For the loss of life he can't replace? Did you know he mourns the lives he couldn't save, And walks with comrades in their grave? Did you remember the boy with innocence lost? Do you really know war's ultimate cost? Have you felt the blast of artillery fire? Do you have the courage it would require? Have you stood in trenches consumed with fear? Felt the enemies breath so very near? Have you walked with God on a battleground? Seen your brothers dead or dying all around? Have you stopped to thank a vet today, Or did you just turn and walk away? From the pain he'll carry for the rest of his life, Did you consider his family, his children, his wife? That watch him suffer in silence each and every day, As he's haunted by memories that don't go away? Did you care that the soldier is still pulling guard? That his heart, mind, and soul will forever be scarred? Do you know how he suffers from ptsd? Or that our precious freedom is never free? Do you care that he still hears the blood curdling screams? Or that he returns to the war each night in his dreams? Have you felt the sorrow of a combat vet? Or would you rather just forget? That war has pierced his hardened heart, And torn this soldier all apart? Would you rather our heroes just fade away? Or will you stop to thank a vet today?
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Post by blazerrose on Nov 11, 2012 3:16:45 GMT
Sorry for your loss, WVE.
I have a lot of military in my family, too, including 2 Iraq/Afghanistan War vets. This Veterans' Day I am grateful they are all home safe. Thanks to all who serve, who have served, and to those who paid the ultimate price for freedom.
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Post by KMCCLA on Nov 11, 2012 3:39:06 GMT
We all owe veterans a debt of gratitude. I was never able to serve, I have flat feet and they would not take me. There are times I wish I perhaps had tried more to get in.
As tomorrow is Veterans Day, it also is (or was) called Remembrance Day or Armistice Day, for the end of WW 1. Here in Kansas City, MO, we have the National WW 1 museum, at Liberty Memorial. If you eve get a chance, you should visit it, as it is a very moving experience. Now we are losing our WW 2 vets daily as well. Fly the Flag tomorrow, and to all of the Veterans out there -- Thank-you.
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Post by Lokifan on Nov 11, 2012 17:40:01 GMT
Thank A Veteran For Your Freedom By J. L. Sager
It was a veteran, not a reporter, Who guaranteed freedom of the press.
It was a veteran, not a poet, Who guaranteed freedom of speech.
It was a veteran, not a campus organizer, Who guaranteed freedom to demonstrate.
It was a veteran, not a minister, Who guaranteed freedom to worship.
It was a veteran, not a salesman, Who guaranteed freedom to own property.
It was a veteran, not a travel agent, Who guaranteed freedom to travel.
It was a veteran, not a politician, Who guaranteed freedom to vote.
It is a veteran who salutes the Flag, Risks it all for the Flag, And who is buried beneath the Flag.
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Post by maxman on Nov 12, 2012 0:48:23 GMT
Freedom has a taste the protected will never know.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Nov 12, 2012 18:44:52 GMT
Here in Kansas City, MO, we have the National WW 1 museum, at Liberty Memorial. If you eve get a chance, you should visit it, as it is a very moving experience. Absolutely! When I went to the KC RenFaire a couple years ago, we took an extra day to visit the WWI museum. Mapquest's directions to the place stunk, but it was worth the navigation hassles. My only regret is that we didn't take two days for the museum.
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Post by OziRiS on Nov 13, 2012 0:06:07 GMT
wvengineer: I'm sincerely sorry for your loss. Not to diminish it in any way, but on the plus side, it sounds like your grandfather lived a full and rich life and contributed significantly to the world in his lifetime. The world is a better place for having had him and people like him. freegan and Loki: I'm copy/pasting both your posts into an e-mail and sending it to a friend of mine. He was in Basrah, Iraq with the Danish Army Engineers back in '04 and still suffers from battlemind and PTSD from the things he experienced there. He used to be my platoon leader in the Home Guard, but demoted himself to private because he couldn't handle the responsibility because of his PTSD. He doesn't come out with us that often anymore. We all try to keep in touch with him and encourage him to come out and share his knowledge and experience and hang out with the guys, but he can't muster the mental strenght to leave his apartment most of the time. I was in Iraq too, but thankfully, I never saw or lived the same things he did. What i did encounter there, although horrifying at times, I luckily had the mental resilience to get through unscathed. But it might as well have been me. Both your posts are beautiful. I thank you for taking the time to share them and I hope they'll help my friend, even if only a little.
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Post by freegan on Nov 13, 2012 0:57:49 GMT
It is indeed distressing to learn of such severe reactions to PTSD.
Tell him that total strangers are grateful for his service and that he should be proud that he defended the principles for which we all stand but for which few of us fight.
He did what any reasonable human being would have hoped to be able to do under horrendously stressful circumstances.
I do hope that he takes counselling and 'buddies up' with similarly afflicted vet's for mutual support.
Bad Dreams
When you send a lad away To a foreign hot land To fight in a war he doesn't understand When he comes back He brings more than just a tan
He’s probably not ok He’s probably not all right He’s probably in a dark place Whether it’s day or night
Governments and Media With their pack of lies Will never tell the truth But try to convince you otherwise
It feels like my eyes Have been stretched wide open Now and then I have trouble coping
Images of memories Imprinted on my mind The boy they knew before Is what they’ll never find
Alex Cockers, 2010
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Post by c64 on Nov 17, 2012 20:07:45 GMT
In the middle west of Germany, we celebrate the start of "the fifth season" (Carnival season) at 11/11 11:11:11 which lasts until Lent.
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Post by WebDragon on Nov 19, 2012 3:55:57 GMT
During a lunch break, I recently had one of my "young-pup" contractors throw his poppy on the ground whining that every time he took his coat off the dang thing gave him a pin-prick. I calmly walked over, picked it up and reminded him WHY he was wearing it... was a "pin-prick" really so bad ?? Then I jabbed him with it... no pussies on my crew. Gene (Grandpa) came to Canada in 1939 from Poland, 3 months later he left his wife here and returned to Europe in a Canadian uniform. 5 years later he came back... my father was born 9 months later.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Jan 30, 2013 7:27:51 GMT
LEST WE FORGET!
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