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Post by silverdragon on Jan 6, 2015 13:34:10 GMT
Shamble. Its the old English for a Butchers block. Therefore, the historic "Shambles" area of York, is the place in the city where the Butchers used to trade.... Apparently all towns (and cities) used to have an area known as the shambles, where the butchers all worked together, on Market day... It was a noisy place, full of live animals, slaughtered beasts, waste, and it could look quite a mess. Thats where the alternative meaning for chaotic mess came from, to be like the working part of a butchers, and it took the name from the block of wood, something like 6ft long and 4ft wide, that each butcher worked on.
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Post by the light works on Jan 6, 2015 16:31:08 GMT
Shamble. Its the old English for a Butchers block. Therefore, the historic "Shambles" area of York, is the place in the city where the Butchers used to trade.... Apparently all towns (and cities) used to have an area known as the shambles, where the butchers all worked together, on Market day... It was a noisy place, full of live animals, slaughtered beasts, waste, and it could look quite a mess. Thats where the alternative meaning for chaotic mess came from, to be like the working part of a butchers, and it took the name from the block of wood, something like 6ft long and 4ft wide, that each butcher worked on. I hadn't known the last bit about it specifically originating with the butcher's block.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 6, 2015 17:59:03 GMT
So the term that something is "in shambles" actually makes no sense, unless you mean something is "inside a buthcer's block"...?
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 6, 2015 18:17:26 GMT
I could be wrong, but I think SD was saying that the area of town where meat preparation was done was called "shambles" being named after the butcher block. So being "in shambles" would mean being in the part of town that was a mess because of what went on there.
I'm not sure why any of this needed it's own thread though. Maybe a thread for the origin of words and sayings would be more appropriate.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 7, 2015 7:38:06 GMT
I cant find one... so perhaps use this one.
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