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Post by silverdragon on Jan 8, 2015 10:54:35 GMT
I get the idea that computer gaming should be taught as a modern subject in schools, as in the creation of such, as that industry is a HUGE earner right now. I get that gaming as in playing the game is important, to the extent the game you create must be worth playing. But is the act of playing games, on its own, worthy of a university qualification?.... Is it worthy of ANY qualification?... I play a LOT of Forza Motorsports, and Rally driving games. Its how I relax. I can throw a vehicle about and get rid of some aggression where its safe to do so. But I would not count being able to control a video game as any form of qualification to drive.... Am I wrong in this?.. Read this article and see what you think. www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/now-counts-sport---though-4936334And I cant see how doing nothing differs from doing not a lot... Just how can you burn more calories sleeping?.... Its the ultimate form of rest isnt it?...
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Post by the light works on Jan 8, 2015 15:25:04 GMT
I get the idea that computer gaming should be taught as a modern subject in schools, as in the creation of such, as that industry is a HUGE earner right now. I get that gaming as in playing the game is important, to the extent the game you create must be worth playing. But is the act of playing games, on its own, worthy of a university qualification?.... Is it worthy of ANY qualification?... I play a LOT of Forza Motorsports, and Rally driving games. Its how I relax. I can throw a vehicle about and get rid of some aggression where its safe to do so. But I would not count being able to control a video game as any form of qualification to drive.... Am I wrong in this?.. Read this article and see what you think. www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/now-counts-sport---though-4936334And I cant see how doing nothing differs from doing not a lot... Just how can you burn more calories sleeping?.... Its the ultimate form of rest isnt it?... how about we address the myth of their claim that you burn more calories sleeping - and then show a graph clearly showing that you burn LESS calories sleeping. but the basis of counting the video game as a "sport" is not about whether it is healthy for the participants or builds valuable workforce skills - it is about whether it attracts people to either donate to the college or to pay the college to promote their products or services. - or whether it attracts the sort of students they want to have. being a liberal arts college, it may be seeking more socially inclined students - and doing that by targeting those students who play multiplayer games.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 8, 2015 16:10:08 GMT
But is that an important part of life that they need an education in playing games?... If it is, where is the human race going wrong.
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Post by the light works on Jan 8, 2015 17:06:23 GMT
But is that an important part of life that they need an education in playing games?... If it is, where is the human race going wrong. is it an important part of life that young athletes need an education in playing football? (association or gridiron) my point is the college sees some benefit to its interests in deeming the online game to be worth promoting. it is not necessary that the benefit also benefit the world.
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Post by mrfatso on Jan 8, 2015 17:20:48 GMT
Video games as sport, well,it depends on if you think the likes of Snooker, Pool and Darts are sports all of which have World Championships and playing associations in a similar way to Football, Rugby or Tennis, or even sports like Rifle and Clay Pigeon Shooting which are Olympic sports, or Bowls which is a Commonwelath games recognised sport are sports.
What is the difference between some of those, the activity level needed, the amount of skill compared to Video games?
The Darts championships are getting plenty of coverage in the Sports pages of UK papers at the moment.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 8, 2015 18:17:32 GMT
Video games as sport, well,it depends on if you think the likes of Snooker, Pool and Darts are sports all of which have World Championships and playing associations in a similar way to Football, Rugby or Tennis, or even sports like Rifle and Clay Pigeon Shooting which are Olympic sports, or Bowls which is a Commonwelath games recognised sport are sports. What is the difference between some of those, the activity level needed, the amount of skill compared to Video games? What kind of skill does it take to sit up in a tree and shoot harmless animals that wander by, yet hunting is also considered a "sport."
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 8, 2015 18:18:39 GMT
Define what a sport is.
Are you talking about strenuous physical activity? If so forget darts, pool, snooker, shooting and archery...but you could maybe include Wii Sports.
Are you talking about competitive aspects? Then Call of Duty is a sport, or at least the versions that have online multiplayer.
Maybe a more interesting take would be in asking if video games are quite as sedentary as popular imagery would have it? Do you burn more calories playing video games than, say, playing darts or poker?
Not quite sure how you'd measure the amount of calories used in these cases though.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 8, 2015 19:01:33 GMT
Define what a sport is. Are you talking about strenuous physical activity? If so forget darts, pool, snooker, shooting and archery...but you could maybe include Wii Sports. Are you talking about competitive aspects? Then Call of Duty is a sport, or at least the versions that have online multiplayer. Maybe a more interesting take would be in asking if video games are quite as sedentary as popular imagery would have it? Do you burn more calories playing video games than, say, playing darts or poker? Not quite sure how you'd measure the amount of calories used in these cases though. As far as I understand, to measure how many calories you burn during any activity, you measure the heart rate and the oxygen uptake during that period, plot them into a very specific equation and then get a number out the other end. Heart rate alone won't be enough, since that can be raised by a series of different things, including stress, which experts have claimed is something that's present in abundance when playing competitive video games, but isn't something that necessarily increases your oxygen uptake. I'm sure if we can't find a good way to measure it, the show's researchers can. In fact, I'm pretty sure that even if we do find a reliable method, they'd have to research it anyway, since they can't just take our word for it.
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Post by wvengineer on Jan 9, 2015 12:15:58 GMT
ESPN shows the World Series of Poker. I would imagine a video game would be a few more calories than people staring at eachother and pushing cards around.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 11, 2015 11:31:03 GMT
There is a world of difference between Games and Sport.
I can sit here playing games all day.... Football?.. after 10 mins, get me a respirator.
Sport to me is a word that denotes the physical side of competitive games.
To use Sport in a non physical way is just wrong. it degrades the phrase.
Now what are we going to use to denote Physical activity?... And by the way, I object as a slightly dyslexic person, Sport is a lot easier to spell. Its also a perfectly good usable term to denote physical activity, its sports, all things physical.
Competitions is the next term down, that covers all competitive things physical and not so physical.
I know language changes, but this change is wrong, its NOT sport, it competition. And no, I dont think a university degree in just playing non physical games is good enough, even if it does get competetive. Design and production values, yes, give them a gong. Beta testing is part of that. Just playing in an alternative universe is not worthy of being called a sport... Its a downtime activity, its recreational, its a time waster, its sometimes very entertaining. But if my Kid playing games is "Doing homework"........ No. Its just wrong. Do these kids now expect that they leave school with a education entirely based around their qualification to play games and expect someone will employ them to do so?...
The gamers who write the code are experienced gamers. They got where they are by CREATING the games. They are the ones who will play it and beta test it and make the necessary corrections.... So where exactly is the space for a career sitting on your fat backside playing games?
And by the way, I am not so sure I understand the "jocks" mentality that seems to support the idea that certain good footballers should be given an education "For free" because they promote the college they attend. I question how someone with a struggle to understand the basics can be given a "pass" in a subject just because they can play sports real well. This is how it is sometimes portrayed in American TV, Films and shows.
I understand this is part of the American way.... I just dont understand why?... But then again, college sports teams are just college sports teams, we dont go overboard on supporting them, they are not that important. We DO support them, but, their support comes from the fact they MUST show prowess in education first. University boat race, none of them get a free pass just cos they can row a boat?....
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Post by the light works on Jan 11, 2015 15:41:40 GMT
Athletics would be the term for activities which have physical fitness as a side effect - and yes, you are right that sport or sports is an easier spell.
as far as the idea of being good at a competitive activity translating well to a professional career, I am not in disagreement with you - but to a degree, that is how our college culture works - think of how many millions of dollars are currently rolling into University of Oregon's coffers thanks to the proficiency of their handegg team. there is a good potential that some of those players will become proficient enough to make a career out of it - and the rest, will go on to do whatever their time spent in the classroom qualifies them to do. certainly some will end up digging ditches with a college jacket on at 40, but others will use their ability to do their sport as a way to earn a proper education and be the first person in their family whose career does not involve the phrase "do you want fries with that?"
so whether it has to be physical to be a sport - as others have said, if throwing darts is a sport, then the bar for physical exertion is set pretty low; and a lot of the loftier educational facilities have debate teams - where the competition is based on talking.
so as for the benefit of getting students who play games on the computer - it is possible that it is as simple as the college converting that into income for the college - and exchanging that income generation for the opportunity for the student to get a marketable skillset.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 12, 2015 8:47:12 GMT
Had to google that. As its not the town in Switzerland, I guess, then its slang, as in hand-egg, American football?... Never heard that term before...
I honestly have no idea.
Is it that big that the team earns more than they pay out for it?... I suspect it is by the way you are posting. But honestly, over here in UK, we just do not know how much is that much.... Colleges or Universities earning sponsorship or even getting a "gate" for their sports team is just not what happens here.
(Where "Gate" is the entrance fee to watch a game...)
We have different cultures when it comes to College sports.
We have lower league football teams that people will go to watch, but they are not affiliated with Universities.
The idea that it would cross to getting the same from "watching" people play computer games does not work out... We have no space in our conciousness as to why anyone would even be interested in watching others play (computer) games. There are online channels where people do tutorials on how to play a game to the best effect... But as a spectator event?...
And the world turns, has it turned that far.
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Post by the light works on Jan 12, 2015 15:57:04 GMT
Had to google that. As its not the town in Switzerland, I guess, then its slang, as in hand-egg, American football?... Never heard that term before... I honestly have no idea. Is it that big that the team earns more than they pay out for it?... I suspect it is by the way you are posting. But honestly, over here in UK, we just do not know how much is that much.... Colleges or Universities earning sponsorship or even getting a "gate" for their sports team is just not what happens here. (Where "Gate" is the entrance fee to watch a game...) We have different cultures when it comes to College sports. We have lower league football teams that people will go to watch, but they are not affiliated with Universities. The idea that it would cross to getting the same from "watching" people play computer games does not work out... We have no space in our conciousness as to why anyone would even be interested in watching others play (computer) games. There are online channels where people do tutorials on how to play a game to the best effect... But as a spectator event?... And the world turns, has it turned that far. I have not pulled up numbers to confirm, but I strongly suspect that Nike (the shoe company) has over their lifespan (which originated with inventing a new running shoe for University of Oregon) given more value (in money and clothing) to University of Oregon than they have given to Michael Jordan. and they are just one sponsor. right now, some people are speaking slightingly of U of O, because the football (handegg) team has not worn the same uniforms in two games all season. I do not know if any of our football viewing culture seeps over there, but consider - our superbowl is professional teams. every other bowl game in America is college teams. that said, I was thinking about the difference between game and sport yesterday and I came to the conclusion that the best way of dividing whether a game is or isn't a sport is whether it requires physical skill on the part of the player. - or, since I love thinking of visuals - imagine Stephen Hawking directing someone to play a game on his behalf. if that makes Hawking the player, it is a game. if it makes him the coach, it is a sport. (I.E. king to this space makes him a player, throw the dart and hit the bullseye makes him a coach) by that logic, playing a game on the computer where it occurs in real time and involves not missing keystrokes or mouse clicks could be argued to require physical skill and manual dexterity. which brought an untestable myth to mind: when I was young I learned to toss a coin using the catching method with about 90% consistency; such that I could influence which side up I displayed. is it possible to train yourself to roll dice with such consistency, and thus turn craps into a sport rather than a game?
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Post by mrfatso on Jan 12, 2015 16:50:45 GMT
Had to google that. As its not the town in Switzerland, I guess, then its slang, as in hand-egg, American football?... Never heard that term before... I honestly have no idea. Is it that big that the team earns more than they pay out for it?... I suspect it is by the way you are posting. But honestly, over here in UK, we just do not know how much is that much.... Colleges or Universities earning sponsorship or even getting a "gate" for their sports team is just not what happens here. (Where "Gate" is the entrance fee to watch a game...) We have different cultures when it comes to College sports. We have lower league football teams that people will go to watch, but they are not affiliated with Universities. The idea that it would cross to getting the same from "watching" people play computer games does not work out... We have no space in our conciousness as to why anyone would even be interested in watching others play (computer) games. There are online channels where people do tutorials on how to play a game to the best effect... But as a spectator event?... And the world turns, has it turned that far. College sports is huge in America in a way that I think it is difficult to understand for someone from the UK that is not aware of it. Here we more or less ignore it, the only regularly covered college sport are the Boat race and the Varsity rugby match between Oxford and Cambridge, then only because the BBC Governers and the Givernemnt is made up of Oxbridge types. In America some colleges make almost $100 million, from their various sports teams in ticket sales and media rights, it is well worth them investing in their college sports teams.
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Post by the light works on Jan 12, 2015 17:28:40 GMT
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 13, 2015 9:18:23 GMT
If you dont create the thread, I will?.....
Why is it untestable, and can anyone else do it.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 13, 2015 14:43:46 GMT
which brought an untestable myth to mind: when I was young I learned to toss a coin using the catching method with about 90% consistency; such that I could influence which side up I displayed. is it possible to train yourself to roll dice with such consistency, and thus turn craps into a sport rather than a game? I don't see why it's untestable either. I mean, Adam's learned how to throw playing cards like a freakin' ninja (which by your measure would make it a sport if there was a competitive side to it, since there's physical exertion and skill going on), so why shouldn't he be able to learn how to throw dice in a certain way? If you could learn the coin thing, then there's no reason why someone else shouldn't be able to do something similar.
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Post by the light works on Jan 13, 2015 17:06:59 GMT
If you dont create the thread, I will?..... Why is it untestable, and can anyone else do it. do the coin toss? I'm sure people can. it is really no harder than juggling a club the dice will be untestable because of the extra variables involved - with the coin, I caught it, so there was no bounce. dice always bounce. unless they get lucky and find someone who has practiced with dice, it is just going to be way too long term to learn from scratch.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 14, 2015 8:08:10 GMT
Propose the idea. It goes back to can you cheat at casino games... If you practise enough?..
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