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Post by ironhold on Jan 21, 2015 20:35:40 GMT
I think I posted a series of these somewhere on the boards before.... They are "Wraps", printed on a rubber like film that can be used to cover any surface, including cars, buses, billboards... Thing is, he's always depicted with a paint brush and a can of paint, meaning that he himself is painting the mural.
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Post by mrfatso on Jan 21, 2015 22:18:23 GMT
Well back in the days before digital became so common in movies, artists would regularly paint scenes for movies, and it is still done in the theatre today.
Back in 2001 in WB Movie studio tour Austalia, I went in the Harry Potter tour ride, some of the set painting there was quite realistic.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 21, 2015 23:35:13 GMT
Well, they ARE special effects artists. So they could start by trying to paint onto a wall or rock face as the Coyote does(whatever is most practical for them), then go to town and see what they can do using their effects experience and tricks.
Might be neat to give them a chance to show off effects skills beyond just building contraptions.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 22, 2015 0:02:25 GMT
Well, they ARE special effects artists. So they could start by trying to paint onto a wall or rock face as the Coyote does(whatever is most practical for them), then go to town and see what they can do using their effects experience and tricks. Might be neat to give them a chance to show off effects skills beyond just building contraptions. I love that idea! Have them try to make something life-like and see how many people are fooled by it. Both the process and the reactions would be interesting on that one and the results could confirm/bust the Wile E. Coyote myth
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Post by wvengineer on Jan 22, 2015 0:16:33 GMT
Painted Tunnels / Roadways - A common trap used by Wile is to paint a tunnel or landscape on a rock or brick wall, the idea being that the Roadrunner will mistake this painting for a normal part of the road and ram right into it. Could someone paint a mural so realistic that a person who was not familiar with the pathway would mistake it for a part of the path? Okay, a take off on this one: Several westerns use a similar gag. One I remember is from "The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.", I believe the 1st episode, the bad guy gang moves a large rock onto rail road tracks and paints it so that it looks like the tracks so the engineer doesn't see it until it is too late, thus crashing the train and allowing them to bust their buddies out of the prison car. With late 1800's tech, could someone paint a convincing mural on a rough surface?
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Post by ironhold on Jan 22, 2015 0:18:38 GMT
So "painting a wall / cliff face" is a good candidate, then?
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 22, 2015 0:21:28 GMT
So "painting a wall / cliff face" is a good candidate, then? It certainly has a lot more potential than a lot of other stuff coming out of the cartoon world, so yeah. I think there's a good show in here
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Post by the light works on Jan 22, 2015 1:37:28 GMT
I like the rock on the tracks idea, (or a rock on the road) because it would allow them to do a before and after picture, which would allow us to immediately gauge the realism.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 22, 2015 7:34:44 GMT
I think I posted a series of these somewhere on the boards before.... They are "Wraps", printed on a rubber like film that can be used to cover any surface, including cars, buses, billboards... Thing is, he's always depicted with a paint brush and a can of paint, meaning that he himself is painting the mural. I know a few artists, some of them, like one of my Kids, are quite good.... Can any artist be that good? The cartoon in question is not considered "Fine art", much of it is line drawings. Therefore, can any painting be "Enough to deceive" Let google be your guide, but, I say yes, yes it can, to first view, there are paintings out there that are good as photographs "From a distance"
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 22, 2015 7:37:37 GMT
So a good separate myth here, (perhaps worthy of its own thread.)
You cant get Banksy, so get your own. Can any street artist create a picture that deceives.... Can you paint a door and watch, see how many people try to open it. Paint a passage, see how many people try to walk down it.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 22, 2015 10:31:48 GMT
That might actually be a more practical way to test the tunnel myth, given that tunnels have roads leading up to them.
Maybe something indoors, which would allow them to control the lighting conditions and not be concerned about weather.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 22, 2015 21:33:52 GMT
I think there's also an element of speed involved here. With any mural, no matter how good, if you get close enough or slow down enough to take a good hard look, you'll eventually notice that something is off.
The original Wile E. Coyote premise is that the road runner is extremely fast and Wile is hoping it won't notice it's a mural before it's too late.
If we're going for doing this inside, so weather won't have an impact, here's an idea for a test:
We need a wide wall with at least 4 doors. In between two existing doors, paint a mural of a door that looks exactly like the others. Bring in volounteers and tell them you're doing tests on awareness or something. Do a couple of simple small tests where the aim for the participants is to pick a particularly numbered object out of a lineup (6th thing from the left, 3rd thing from the top and so on) as quickly as possible. These small tests can be done on paper or on a whiteboard or something.
Once you've done 3 or 4 of these small tests, the participants are in a rythm. You then send them into the room with the doors and the mural, but before they go in, you tell them to run through the 3rd door from the left as quickly as possible once they enter the room. The test for the mural then becomes whether the participants notice it's not a real door and discard it when counting.
Set it up like this:
DOOR 1 - DOOR 2 - MURAL - DOOR 3 - DOOR 4
If the mural isn't realistic enough to throw them off at all, they should all go directly to door 3 without hesitating = Myth busted
If the mural is realistic, they should at least start to go for the mural until they realise it isn't a real door and then divert to door 3, if not be completely fooled and make it all the way to the mural before they realise it's fake = Myth confirmed
If 50% or more of the participants at least have to stop for a second when they enter the room and take a hard look at the mural before heading for the right door = Myth plausible
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 22, 2015 22:14:45 GMT
They don't need a wall, they can make their own walls complete with doors - ideally a design that allows them to switch sections around.
This has a fair amount of potential, after all what we are testing is if you can create a realistic three dimensional 'door' or 'tunnel' on a flat surface. While they can start with attempting to paint an image, they can move onto using printed images and then go further and see what kinds of visual tricks they can dream up.
After all, they ARE special effects guys and the nature of that business is at its heart making something appear to be something other than what it is. Issues of scale and lighting tricks should be something Adam has a lot of experience with, as those are things you need to work out for model making - especially for film. Even the size issue isn't an issue - movie quality models are often a LOT larger than a door.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 23, 2015 1:06:27 GMT
They don't need a wall, they can make their own walls complete with doors - ideally a design that allows them to switch sections around. When I said, "we need a wall," I wasn't excluding the possibility of them making their own. Just saying they needed one.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Jan 23, 2015 8:15:39 GMT
Ok I just have to ask this as we're on the subject. Did Wile E Coyote ever catch the Roadrunner? I've heard stories that he did & then let it go cause the Roadrunner did a crocodile tear & he (Wile E Coyote) then 'felt' bad. But I've never seen evidence this with my own eyes, which leads me to think it's just an urban myth.
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Post by mrfatso on Jan 23, 2015 13:15:57 GMT
Does this count as catching him?
About 1.05 minutes
It's from a cartoon directed by Chuck Jones, there may be a scene like the one you describe in one of the later 3d computer generated things, but I for one do not really count those.
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Post by the light works on Jan 23, 2015 14:41:31 GMT
Ok I just have to ask this as we're on the subject. Did Wile E Coyote ever catch the Roadrunner? I've heard stories that he did & then let it go cause the Roadrunner did a crocodile tear & he (Wile E Coyote) then 'felt' bad. But I've never seen evidence this with my own eyes, which leads me to think it's just an urban myth. I thought there was one episode where he caught the road runner, and then had a "what will I do now" moment, and let him go.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 27, 2015 8:27:37 GMT
Being that this has been raise on another thread, bringing it back home..... Put up a Murial and get a REAL truck coming out of the Murial.
How difficult would it be to do a double bluff.
Get a "frame" of thin paper and put a picture on it thats good enough to deceive from a distance, but no so on closer inspection, and then have either Adam or Jamie burst through it when the viewer declares its not a real opening.
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Post by ironhold on Feb 19, 2015 17:01:30 GMT
Saw a "new" short yesterday known as "Heartbreak Bridge."
The premise is that Coyote lures Roadrunner into the middle of a bridge, at which point he uses explosives to blow both ends. This leaves the bridge supported by a central pillar, and supposedly leaves both him and the Road Runner trapped together (how Coyote was supposed to get off the bridge is never addressed).
The bridge is shown as being a modern-style concrete job, meaning that it likely has steel reinforcement. But despite this, the bridge wobbles as if the central pillar was a pivot point and any shift in weight will cause it to topple over.
So - probability of it happening?
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Post by the light works on Feb 19, 2015 17:37:11 GMT
Saw a "new" short yesterday known as "Heartbreak Bridge." The premise is that Coyote lures Roadrunner into the middle of a bridge, at which point he uses explosives to blow both ends. This leaves the bridge supported by a central pillar, and supposedly leaves both him and the Road Runner trapped together (how Coyote was supposed to get off the bridge is never addressed). The bridge is shown as being a modern-style concrete job, meaning that it likely has steel reinforcement. But despite this, the bridge wobbles as if the central pillar was a pivot point and any shift in weight will cause it to topple over. So - probability of it happening? I'd say very low probability - but modern bridges are often built in a post-and-beam configuration, with expansion joints to keep thermal expansion of the deck from stressing the columns; so possible.
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