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Post by silverdragon on Dec 1, 2015 6:49:45 GMT
So bacteria on a bar of soap, how does it live?..
Wash it off again?.. yeah, sure, but even I have managed to splash bits of soapy water over me when I wash hands, its inevitable, so the transfer happens.
They already tested exit door knobs, and lift buttons, and a whole lot else I would rather have NOT found out?...
People, they are dirty swine's when you get to know them, aint they?...
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Post by the light works on Dec 1, 2015 15:13:07 GMT
So bacteria on a bar of soap, how does it live?.. Wash it off again?.. yeah, sure, but even I have managed to splash bits of soapy water over me when I wash hands, its inevitable, so the transfer happens. They already tested exit door knobs, and lift buttons, and a whole lot else I would rather have NOT found out?... People, they are dirty swine's when you get to know them, aint they?... my understanding is it lives the same way it lives on a doorknob. - by sitting tight and hoping a host comes along. |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 2, 2015 7:33:47 GMT
So bacteria on a bar of soap, how does it live?.. Wash it off again?.. yeah, sure, but even I have managed to splash bits of soapy water over me when I wash hands, its inevitable, so the transfer happens. They already tested exit door knobs, and lift buttons, and a whole lot else I would rather have NOT found out?... People, they are dirty swine's when you get to know them, aint they?... my understanding is it lives the same way it lives on a doorknob. - by sitting tight and hoping a host comes along. So never trust a damp piece of soap then?... Any idea how long they live on soap?.. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 2, 2015 14:55:05 GMT
my understanding is it lives the same way it lives on a doorknob. - by sitting tight and hoping a host comes along. So never trust a damp piece of soap then?... Any idea how long they live on soap?.. I think it depends on the individual bacterium. |
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Post by c64 on Dec 2, 2015 23:54:39 GMT
my understanding is it lives the same way it lives on a doorknob. - by sitting tight and hoping a host comes along. So never trust a damp piece of soap then?... Any idea how long they live on soap?.. About as long as they can sit on cheese or other food items - until it is eaten up or killed by fungi. Soap as such doesn't kill bacteria and it is nutritious. Antiseptic soap contains soap and chemicals which are poisonous to bacteria - but not to all bacteria so some breeds will have the soap all for them self and usually those kind of bacteria is the nastiest to humans. |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 3, 2015 7:08:08 GMT
So never trust a damp piece of soap then?... Any idea how long they live on soap?.. I think it depends on the individual bacterium. Oh thats good to know... But then again, I aint no micro biologist, so, whats the difference between a piece of string there?.. Ok, tad sarcastic, but seriously, how are we supposed to know who handled the soap last and what they may be carrying?.. even if they dont know it?.. Therefore, I now do not trust bar soap because of this thread....?... |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 3, 2015 7:09:35 GMT
So never trust a damp piece of soap then?... Any idea how long they live on soap?.. About as long as they can sit on cheese or other food items - until it is eaten up or killed by fungi. Soap as such doesn't kill bacteria and it is nutritious. Antiseptic soap contains soap and chemicals which are poisonous to bacteria - but not to all bacteria so some breeds will have the soap all for them self and usually those kind of bacteria is the nastiest to humans. see post above. Now you tell me the "extra clean soap" is liable to be more deadly than the one without anti-bacteria?... Hell you got me all worried now...... Well, no, because I always use the liquid soap anyway. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 3, 2015 11:36:44 GMT
About as long as they can sit on cheese or other food items - until it is eaten up or killed by fungi. Soap as such doesn't kill bacteria and it is nutritious. Antiseptic soap contains soap and chemicals which are poisonous to bacteria - but not to all bacteria so some breeds will have the soap all for them self and usually those kind of bacteria is the nastiest to humans. see post above. Now you tell me the "extra clean soap" is liable to be more deadly than the one without anti-bacteria?... Hell you got me all worried now...... Well, no, because I always use the liquid soap anyway. again, consider that trying to avoid all contact with bacteria is a futile effort. with family soap, you're already in contact with the bacteria, and with public soap, liquid soap is already the norm, at least here. |
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Post by c64 on Dec 3, 2015 17:31:31 GMT
About as long as they can sit on cheese or other food items - until it is eaten up or killed by fungi. Soap as such doesn't kill bacteria and it is nutritious. Antiseptic soap contains soap and chemicals which are poisonous to bacteria - but not to all bacteria so some breeds will have the soap all for them self and usually those kind of bacteria is the nastiest to humans. see post above. Now you tell me the "extra clean soap" is liable to be more deadly than the one without anti-bacteria?... Hell you got me all worried now...... Well, no, because I always use the liquid soap anyway. Directly deadly not. At least it is highly unlikely that you can catch something which can't be cured. The trick is that for medical purposes, there are currently 3 antibiotica formulas available which are not used anywhere else. Those are highly likely to be able to cure you if you catch something which is resistant to commercial antiseptics. The problem is that your immune system needs the constant drill fighting with bacteria. If you use antiseptic soap a lot, you basically decrease this training seriously so when you catch something (not from the soap), the chance to become seriously sick is greater. You become sick more often and more serious. So don't use antiseptic soap at all. Buy a dispenser with a more professional antiseptic formula and use it wisely. Wash your hands with normal soap and use the antiseptic only after handling real nasty stuff, e.g. after handling raw meat, eggs and other suspicious materials. |
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Post by c64 on Dec 3, 2015 17:53:27 GMT
And by the way, your skin NEEDS bacteria to stay healthy.
Bacteria and fungi are in a constant battle. Fungi have invented antibiotics to stop bacteria from eating them and their food sources and bacteria have invented substances which kill fungi to stop killing the bacteria. The most well known substances bacteria produce are vinegar and alcohol. That's why there is alcohol and vinegar in most bathroom cleaners - to stop growing mould in your shower.
Your skin produces an acid which is bad for fungi and bacteria but there are bacteria which have specially adopted to live happily on your skin and those produce substances which makes your skin more deadly for fungi and those bacteria are perfectly harmless. Using antiseptic soap for bathing and showering causes fungi skin infections, e.g. athlete's foot [Tinea pedis] and nail fungus. Just because antiseptic soap won't work for fungi and you loose the natural help of bacteria leaving you very vulnerable to fungi.
If you own birds and reptiles, minimize usage of antiseptics and don't use antiseptic cleaners for the cage and room. Doing this will raise the amount of fungi spores in the air and birds are highly vulnerable to fungi infections of the skin and especially lungs. And while reptiles have a very tough skin, their lungs are also very vulnerable to spores.
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Post by the light works on Dec 4, 2015 1:34:38 GMT
see post above. Now you tell me the "extra clean soap" is liable to be more deadly than the one without anti-bacteria?... Hell you got me all worried now...... Well, no, because I always use the liquid soap anyway. Directly deadly not. At least it is highly unlikely that you can catch something which can't be cured. The trick is that for medical purposes, there are currently 3 antibiotica formulas available which are not used anywhere else. Those are highly likely to be able to cure you if you catch something which is resistant to commercial antiseptics. The problem is that your immune system needs the constant drill fighting with bacteria. If you use antiseptic soap a lot, you basically decrease this training seriously so when you catch something (not from the soap), the chance to become seriously sick is greater. You become sick more often and more serious. So don't use antiseptic soap at all. Buy a dispenser with a more professional antiseptic formula and use it wisely. Wash your hands with normal soap and use the antiseptic only after handling real nasty stuff, e.g. after handling raw meat, eggs and other suspicious materials. my antibacterial soap is just strong enough to provide redundant protection in case my pit rub melts down. |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 4, 2015 7:01:17 GMT
I have a serious "Kills anything" anti-grease soap Workshop soap that I managed to get from a supplier.
Its not that I now "Fear" soap, its just, well, I know public bathrooms, I know that to be washing hands, either the user is a clean freak, or they got extremely dirty, and I also know my luck is that the last person to use that soap wasnt that hygienic, they just had something REALLY bad on their hands?...
(Dont ask!)
After an evening of a full bar, I did the cleanup, and noted that it had been a week since I topped up the soap in the toilets, it didnt need topping up...
What can I say?.. maybe a dozen people a night used the soap at its best, but there were three dozen people an hour using the bathrooms?..
And people expect to shake hands....
[shivers]
No wonder Howard Hughes went so weird.
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Post by OziRiS on Dec 5, 2015 23:12:25 GMT
And by the way, your skin NEEDS bacteria to stay healthy. Bacteria and fungi are in a constant battle. Fungi have invented antibiotics to stop bacteria from eating them and their food sources and bacteria have invented substances which kill fungi to stop killing the bacteria. The most well known substances bacteria produce are vinegar and alcohol. That's why there is alcohol and vinegar in most bathroom cleaners - to stop growing mould in your shower. Your skin produces an acid which is bad for fungi and bacteria but there are bacteria which have specially adopted to live happily on your skin and those produce substances which makes your skin more deadly for fungi and those bacteria are perfectly harmless. Using antiseptic soap for bathing and showering causes fungi skin infections, e.g. athlete's foot [Tinea pedis] and nail fungus. Just because antiseptic soap won't work for fungi and you loose the natural help of bacteria leaving you very vulnerable to fungi. And that's exactly why we had a lot of doctors, nurses and orderlies with fungal infections on their hands over here (well, for you, that would be "up here", not "over here"  ) a couple of years ago. Health nuts in our medical system got this strange idea that ALL bacteria were bad, so they invented this procedure where every doctor, nurse and orderly had to disinfect their hands whenever they walked in and out of a patient's room. After about a year of that, most people who worked in hospitals in the entire country had had some sort of fungal infection on their hands. Washing your hands with regular soap, even though it takes a little longer to do, is much better in the long term. As you said, only use the anti-bacterial stuff when there's an actual need for it. Like if you've interacted with a patient with a serious infection of some sort. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 5, 2015 23:14:38 GMT
And by the way, your skin NEEDS bacteria to stay healthy. Bacteria and fungi are in a constant battle. Fungi have invented antibiotics to stop bacteria from eating them and their food sources and bacteria have invented substances which kill fungi to stop killing the bacteria. The most well known substances bacteria produce are vinegar and alcohol. That's why there is alcohol and vinegar in most bathroom cleaners - to stop growing mould in your shower. Your skin produces an acid which is bad for fungi and bacteria but there are bacteria which have specially adopted to live happily on your skin and those produce substances which makes your skin more deadly for fungi and those bacteria are perfectly harmless. Using antiseptic soap for bathing and showering causes fungi skin infections, e.g. athlete's foot [Tinea pedis] and nail fungus. Just because antiseptic soap won't work for fungi and you loose the natural help of bacteria leaving you very vulnerable to fungi. And that's exactly why we had a lot of doctors, nurses and orderlies with fungal infections on their hands over here (well, for you, that would be "up here", not "over here" ) a couple of years ago. Health nuts in our medical system got this strange idea that ALL bacteria were bad, so they invented this procedure where every doctor, nurse and orderly had to disinfect their hands whenever they walked in and out of a patient's room. After about a year of that, most people who worked in hospitals in the entire country had had some sort of fungal infection on their hands. Washing your hands with regular soap, even though it takes a little longer to do, is much better in the long term. As you said, only use the anti-bacterial stuff when there's an actual need for it. Like if you've interacted with a patient with a serious infection of some sort. and the alcohol, itself, isn't good for your skin. |
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) a couple of years ago.