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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 31, 2015 16:53:53 GMT
To be posted here an idea must be written up as follows;
A clear outline to the myth, including background and what would be tested. This should include comments and points that other members made in the original thread. Noting who made those comments is considered polite.
Sources for and against the idea, ideally links to reputable websites.
A reasonable idea or way to test the idea in a cheap, legal and visually interesting way. This is a TV show after all, and you need to sell the idea by giving the researchers and producers an idea as to what it might look like and contain if it were filmed.
If the idea is written up from an existing thread them please provide a link to that thread at the end.
RMC's thread 'The Balanced-Propeller Conundrum' has been moved to this section and stickied as an example for the kind of standard that will be expected for ideas and write up's before they are moved to this section.
It is and will be understood that not all ideas will need to be written up in such detail, as occasionally an idea is so simple and straightforward not a lot needs to be said beyond the initial post.
Off topic replies/comments will be deleted.
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Post by the light works on Jan 31, 2015 17:32:29 GMT
might I suggest that people who think an existing topic is worthy of consideration write up a proposal for this section based on the original thread; in a researcher friendly format.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 31, 2015 17:34:38 GMT
If the original poster has no problem with that, and as long as they are credited with the original thread/idea that is fine. I do understand that not everyone is going to have the time to do a write up.
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Post by the light works on Jan 31, 2015 17:38:11 GMT
If the original poster has no problem with that, and as long as they are credited with the original thread/idea that is fine. I do understand that not everyone is going to have the time to do a write up. perhaps if the OP does not have time to do a proposal, they could ask another board member to do it for them. - otherwise, let the OP do the write up.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 31, 2015 17:39:55 GMT
That is fine.
Note that you can't post new threads here, you'd have to write it up and post it in show ideas then ask the mods to move it.
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Post by the light works on Jan 31, 2015 18:03:19 GMT
That is fine. Note that you can't post new threads here, you'd have to write it up and post it in show ideas then ask the mods to move it. hmm... can the proposal be written up in the thread and then you can move it to its own thread, here?
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 31, 2015 18:06:32 GMT
Yes, although if that is done please add what you want the thread to be called at the start of the post since we'll have to add that.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 31, 2015 19:52:18 GMT
So, just to make sure I understand this:
We're still going to run the Show Ideas board as we've done so far, but once an idea has been fully discussed and all the kinks worked out, the original thread is condensed into an easy to read summary of the original myth idea and all the useful contributions in the thread and then moved here for easy reading for the researchers.
Is that just about how this is going to work?
If it is, I've got a couple of questions:
- You say sources for and against the idea, possibly with links. What if we can't find any, but it's still a good idea and the good for and against arguments are made by other members? Do we just summarize the arguments and then it can still go here?
- What if we've got a really good myth idea, but we haven't come up with a 100% viable way to test it? Does it still go here in hopes that the researchers pick it up and they find a good testing method themselves?
I'm asking this because, even though I see their point (not wanting to sift through endless piles of nonsense to get to the essense of the post), I'm worried that they'll stop looking in the original Show Ideas section and just go here, meaning that good myths that we may just not have worked entirely out yet are overlooked.
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Post by rmc on Jan 31, 2015 20:34:07 GMT
One needs to be logged in, in order to access this particular forum, it seems to be. I wonder if guests who might have had something to contribute (perhaps, at a later date, when logged in), or just wanted to easily read the thread, are going to be more-or-less hindered from doing that?
Do people from the show itself need to be logged in, then? Or, do they have some other sort of access?
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 31, 2015 21:16:59 GMT
So, just to make sure I understand this: We're still going to run the Show Ideas board as we've done so far, but once an idea has been fully discussed and all the kinks worked out, the original thread is condensed into an easy to read summary of the original myth idea and all the useful contributions in the thread and then moved here for easy reading for the researchers. Is that just about how this is going to work? If it is, I've got a couple of questions: - You say sources for and against the idea, possibly with links. What if we can't find any, but it's still a good idea and the good for and against arguments are made by other members? Do we just summarize the arguments and then it can still go here? - What if we've got a really good myth idea, but we haven't come up with a 100% viable way to test it? Does it still go here in hopes that the researchers pick it up and they find a good testing method themselves? I'm asking this because, even though I see their point (not wanting to sift through endless piles of nonsense to get to the essense of the post), I'm worried that they'll stop looking in the original Show Ideas section and just go here, meaning that good myths that we may just not have worked entirely out yet are overlooked. In order; Yes, that is how it is meant to work. *Edit* It is unusual to find ideas that are developed entirely by only one person. Everyone had their own way of looking at things, and even the smallest comment or point can turn an otherwise unworkable idea into something practical or end up twisting one idea into something more interesting; Glass Cannon to ice cannon for example. Those of you who remember me from the old MBFC may recall that when/if I wrote ideas up to brought them over from the old Discovery site I always made a point of trying to credit ideas and/or points to those people who had made them. Those who don't remember that can look at the interviews on here, and notice that when I use questions I note who asked each question. If people take the time and trouble to provide useful information the least I think people can do is acknowledge that. Another example would be the 'Poo Hits The Fan' myth from a few years back. (For those who've heard this before sorry at bringing it up again). That was something I posted on the MBFC, and which when comparing what was done on screen to what was written by myself in the thread I could justifiably claim as 'mine'. However unless I'm really ticked off with someone who thinks I have no idea what kind of things MB are looking for or would test I'll usually say it was 'my' idea with quotation marks. This is to acknowledge that while I may have written about 90% of that thread, I am well aware and willing to say that a fair chunk of those ideas were shaped by comments and ideas from other members on MBFC. I can, off the top of my head, only recall Draco and Blackwidownoir taking an active part in that thread. But they were far from the only ones. (As I recall Draco raised the question of what type of poo they would be using, or at least basing their stand in on. While BWN provided some ideas as to what the stand in material could be - fudge if I remember right. The strange conversations you can sometimes have in connection to the show....) I should have said 'sources where possible'. Arguments for an against an idea, as in if the myth might be true or not would be included in this. There will be ideas where sources can't be found - no one really goes around throwing poo at fans, or timing how long they can resist going to the toilet with and without doing the 'potty dance' for example. The idea is to show that you have thought though the myth in question and done a little homework, rather than just posting the first thing that came into your head then running off; As usually happened on the old Discovery Boards. Even the best testing procedures tend to get changed by the MB's for various reasons to a greater or lesser extent. Like sources, posting ideas as to how they could test something is a sign that the idea has been thought through. As well as giving them some idea as to what it might look like on screen, and a place for them to start should they add something to the list of potential myths. So you don't need a perfect way to test something. A basic idea is fine. In both of the above cases they can go back and look at the original thread in its entirety to see what was said about testing or sources, as long as a link is provided. The researchers are very busy people it seems, and are not limited to looking for new ideas but also researching things that MB are planning or hoping to do in the future. They do sometimes have times when they can go take a look at the show ideas forum, but more often than not they don't have the time for more than a brief flyby and certainly don't typically have the time to read long threads. So while ideas in this section are much more likely to get read, that doesn't mean that they won't pick up or see ideas from Show Ideas. rmc; Good point. The answer to the question is classified I'll change the permissions.
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 1, 2015 10:03:20 GMT
I need some clearing up....
For discussion purposes can I ask the following..
I have posted a few idea's "For discussion", so I will use the possibility that I have had an idea, and that possibly it was a good idea. (I know that happens rarely...)
If Someone else, and using the most prolific poster that has much to much time on their hands, I will use TLW for purposes of this question here, if TLW believes it is a good idea and it should go in this section, will HE be able to post it in here.
I am presuming Yes...?..
Who then will be responsible for doing the editing work?... Me for having the idea, or TLW for thinking it good enough for going in here?...
Just exactly when do we decide that an idea is good enough for submission anyway?.
Using myself as an example, I find things about a dozen times a month that I think are good enough to put in the forum For discussion.
On the Watercooler at the moment I have a thread about sleep and performance.... I will use this as example because its one of the more recent. I have no idea yet if it is "Good enough" to be a myth or even if it should be proposed. Just when will I know?
Should it be a case that the individual poster may not nominate their own submissions in the first place unless other board members recommend that they do so? I say this as a proposal to stop just every idea being put in here instead of the individual board places (such as Transport myths that I populate..) by either Us or New board members....?
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Post by the light works on Feb 1, 2015 15:31:16 GMT
I need some clearing up.... For discussion purposes can I ask the following.. I have posted a few idea's "For discussion", so I will use the possibility that I have had an idea, and that possibly it was a good idea. (I know that happens rarely...) If Someone else, and using the most prolific poster that has much to much time on their hands, I will use TLW for purposes of this question here, if TLW believes it is a good idea and it should go in this section, will HE be able to post it in here. I am presuming Yes...?.. Who then will be responsible for doing the editing work?... Me for having the idea, or TLW for thinking it good enough for going in here?... Just exactly when do we decide that an idea is good enough for submission anyway?. Using myself as an example, I find things about a dozen times a month that I think are good enough to put in the forum For discussion. On the Watercooler at the moment I have a thread about sleep and performance.... I will use this as example because its one of the more recent. I have no idea yet if it is "Good enough" to be a myth or even if it should be proposed. Just when will I know? Should it be a case that the individual poster may not nominate their own submissions in the first place unless other board members recommend that they do so? I say this as a proposal to stop just every idea being put in here instead of the individual board places (such as Transport myths that I populate..) by either Us or New board members....? my thought would be if, say, I think the sleep cycle thread has sufficient merit, I would say, "I think this has enough merit to post as a proposal, shall I write it up for you?" at which point, you could say, "I don't think it is ready" or "yes, thank you" or "I'd like to write it up myself."
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 2, 2015 5:29:48 GMT
I agree with that idea.
I think we need some sort of consensus "when a thread is ready" to prevent us rushing through an idea and jamming up the section... Otherwise, I think the idea is solid, edit out all the background chatter. Its just I would be useless at that, 'cos I like to add too many jokes?... I also know I can be a little wordy on producing an epistle. Brevity is not a strong point of mine. (space below for you to say "We Know...")
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 2, 2015 12:15:29 GMT
Thanks for clarifying Cyber. And to SD: Self insight is a good thing. Knowing what your strong and not so strong points are is a strong point in itself. So is being able to ask for help. Feel free to do so if the need arises
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