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Post by silverdragon on Mar 1, 2015 8:11:26 GMT
It is "Myth" that if you have seen a crash happen, you will IMMEDIATELY start driving slower. I am cross-threading here for brevity sake, but in this below thread, I have provided a good example... citadelofmyths.freeforums.net/thread/1456/120mph-crash-test?page=1&scrollTo=60668**->Proposal is to start by getting a bunch of people to drive normally with data loggers on board, show them some crashes, and get them to repeat the driving exercise, would they drive with more care, and slower... Its a mass audience participation experiment, get 20 men and 20 women of all abilities to see what happens. Anyone else have any ideas to add to this?... |
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Post by the light works on Mar 1, 2015 15:43:46 GMT
It is "Myth" that if you have seen a crash happen, you will IMMEDIATELY start driving slower. I am cross-threading here for brevity sake, but in this below thread, I have provided a good example... citadelofmyths.freeforums.net/thread/1456/120mph-crash-test?page=1&scrollTo=60668**->Proposal is to start by getting a bunch of people to drive normally with data loggers on board, show them some crashes, and get them to repeat the driving exercise, would they drive with more care, and slower... Its a mass audience participation experiment, get 20 men and 20 women of all abilities to see what happens. Anyone else have any ideas to add to this?... absolutely. they will IMMEDIATELY slow down... hang out the window... take pictures... until the crash scene is no longer visible. then... |
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 1, 2015 23:59:04 GMT
My own observation. Yes they slow down. They rubber neck the accident, then cautiously speed up to the limit, run the limit for maybe two miles and then speed back up to 10 to 15 mph over the limit.
And to test it, you don't need volunteers or data loggers. Just set up a staged accident on a major highway. Then monitor traffic speed a mile or two before the accident site, at the accident site and then at a number of points after the site. Maybe something like One, two, five and ten miles afterward.
Of course, Mythbusters couldn't just set up the staged accident on their own, but they may be able to find someone like the NTSB or NHTSA that would be interested in helping with such a study. Maybe somebody in New Jersey would be willing to shut down a lane or two to conduct a traffic study. On second thought, maybe not.
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Post by the light works on Mar 2, 2015 0:02:00 GMT
My own observation. Yes they slow down. They rubber neck the accident, then cautiously speed up to the limit, run the limit for maybe two miles and then speed back up to 10 to 15 mph over the limit. And to test it, you don't need volunteers or data loggers. Just set up a staged accident on a major highway. Then monitor traffic speed a mile or two before the accident site, at the accident site and then at a number of points after the site. Maybe something like One, two, five and ten miles afterward. Of course, Mythbusters couldn't just set up the staged accident on their own, but they may be able to find someone like the NTSB or NHTSA that would be interested in helping with such a study. Maybe somebody in New Jersey would be willing to shut down a lane or two to conduct a traffic study. On second thought, maybe not. I have seen agencies trailer in the residue from drunk driving crashes as part of anti-drunk driving campaigns. that kinda takes it out of the mythbusters' arena, though. |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 2, 2015 8:26:58 GMT
I am not suggesting the drive-by, I am suggesting the super-saturated full hour film of something like dash-cam footage or first on the scene emergency services, or both...
The bring your own bucket, keep showing until they puke type films.
And many accident victims or families of victims are quite often only to happy to let footage of that be shown in the name of road safety.
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 2, 2015 14:33:27 GMT
Like the don't text and drive PSAs they have been airing?
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Post by the light works on Mar 2, 2015 15:14:23 GMT
I am not suggesting the drive-by, I am suggesting the super-saturated full hour film of something like dash-cam footage or first on the scene emergency services, or both... The bring your own bucket, keep showing until they puke type films. And many accident victims or families of victims are quite often only to happy to let footage of that be shown in the name of road safety. I think the fact that I am getting older has a greater impact on my average driving speed than the crashes I have responded to. |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 3, 2015 8:34:11 GMT
You may be exempt from that now TLW, as people our age have "Seen it all" and have built up tolerance to such things, especially you, who have probably pulled more people out of car wrecks that perhaps anyone else.
Dont get me started on Text-and-drive, I have seen one report of someone watching you-tube and driving.....
Seriously?... thats the how stupid can you be thread.
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 3, 2015 8:36:22 GMT
Actually that raises a point.....
Would this be age related?...
Would the results of a 18-25 experiment change with the over 50's.
(Or over 40's... etc...)
We have to make space for the younger's on here?...(We board denizens are older-and-sometimes-wiser?..)
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Post by OziRiS on Mar 3, 2015 12:45:03 GMT
I don't think showing someone footage of accidents is going to do much in terms of viable results. There's a world of difference between seeing pictures and video and having the actual scene right in front of you. Especially since TV and movies show us this stuff all the time.
I think GTCGreg's suggestion would give a better result, but I'm not sure it's possible and even if it is, how much would Adam and Jamie have to do with the actual testing? If they're going to do this on a public road, I'm sure there are scores of government agencies, local and federal, who would all like to have a say in the matter, if not head it up completely and I see a risk of that effectively putting our dynamic duo in a narrator/commentator role, instead of having them directly involved with testing.
Don't get me wrong. I think it's worth doing and I think it's worth doing on this show, even if that means putting Adam and Jamie in the back seat for the test and "just" having them do the builds to stage the accident. I'm just not sure the producers will look at it that way.
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Post by the light works on Mar 3, 2015 14:12:12 GMT
and my projected result is that I believe it will do no good. people don't think in the long term like that any more. they look at the accident and think "that'll never happen to me, I'm'a take a picture and upload it to my instagram so my buddies can see how stupid that guy was."
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 3, 2015 14:29:24 GMT
I'll take a picture and upload it to my instagram so my buddies can see how stupid that guy was." While they are driving. |
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Post by the light works on Mar 3, 2015 14:35:25 GMT
I'll take a picture and upload it to my instagram so my buddies can see how stupid that guy was." While they are driving. yep. |
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Post by OziRiS on Mar 3, 2015 15:46:29 GMT
You're probably right.
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Post by c64 on Jun 27, 2015 23:19:13 GMT
My own observation. Yes they slow down. They rubber neck the accident, then cautiously speed up to the limit, run the limit for maybe two miles and then speed back up to 10 to 15 mph over the limit. And to test it, you don't need volunteers or data loggers. Just set up a staged accident on a major highway. Then monitor traffic speed a mile or two before the accident site, at the accident site and then at a number of points after the site. Maybe something like One, two, five and ten miles afterward. Of course, Mythbusters couldn't just set up the staged accident on their own, but they may be able to find someone like the NTSB or NHTSA that would be interested in helping with such a study. Maybe somebody in New Jersey would be willing to shut down a lane or two to conduct a traffic study. On second thought, maybe not. Very true. And if you listen carefully to the traffic reports on the radio, you will figure that if e.g. an accident had happened between A and B in the south direction, it won't take long until a jam is reported in the N direction. And often enough it won't take long until there is an accident in the N direction as well because when someone decided to brake extra hard to have more time to look at the crash, the following driver might not notice while also looking at the crash. BTW: The myth Busters had tested what happens if someone brakes for no reason. In the same show they also tested switching lanes and staying in the same lane. Why didn't they made the obvious connection? When you switch a lane aggressively, you make someone brake... |
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Post by c64 on Jun 27, 2015 23:24:22 GMT
I'll take a picture and upload it to my instagram so my buddies can see how stupid that guy was." While they are driving. Sadly yes! I had heard a conversation where a maniac took the right of way from someone, then braked hard in front of him several times without reason, shouted insults and then was hanging out of the window to make pictures of evidence because he had felt that he had the right of way. But that someone was a police officer in uniform in an official police car! In the conversation, the other police officer thought that the maniac might have not noticed that the new police cars are now silver/blue, they used to be pine-green. |
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Post by the light works on Jun 28, 2015 1:31:32 GMT
Sadly yes! I had heard a conversation where a maniac took the right of way from someone, then braked hard in front of him several times without reason, shouted insults and then was hanging out of the window to make pictures of evidence because he had felt that he had the right of way. But that someone was a police officer in uniform in an official police car! In the conversation, the other police officer thought that the maniac might have not noticed that the new police cars are now silver/blue, they used to be pine-green. to date, my best stupid driving situation was a guy who was released from jail after serving time for drunk driving. drove to a local bar, got drunk, started to drive to another bar, and instead, made a left turn directly into the front of a deputy sheriff's car. but to get back on topic, one of our runs today was to a report of a crash. our first our rescue rig came on scene of a car that had been in the ditch - but passers by said there was another crash a bit further up the road. not sure which happened first, though. I suspect the car went into the ditch and the rubberneckers started a ripple that resulted in the other crash. |
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