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Post by ironhold on Mar 5, 2015 18:03:42 GMT
...And we already have our first round of roadkill for the year. Barring spectacular overseas ticket sales - Mortdecai: $60m budget. Total global take to date: $30.5m. Loss: $29.5m. Blackhat: $70m budget. Total global take to date: $17.5m. Loss: $52.5m. I'm seeing a few other films that might be contenders, but they're still screening domestically and so might still make a comeback. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Mar 5, 2015 18:23:02 GMT
I think Focus is going to make this list. |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 8, 2015 10:14:08 GMT
...And we already have our first round of roadkill for the year. Barring spectacular overseas ticket sales - Mortdecai: $60m budget. Total global take to date: $30.5m. Loss: $29.5m. Blackhat: $70m budget. Total global take to date: $17.5m. Loss: $52.5m. I'm seeing a few other films that might be contenders, but they're still screening domestically and so might still make a comeback. Dont know either films.... Of course, I will now google that, and find out, but you have to admit, lack of publicity is failing many films. I have just googled a IMAX cinema in Manchester, so its not a small place, and guess what.... 16 out of the 26 main page advertised films, I have never heard of. My view is that if there is a film I want to see, I will find it, not that I will check each week for anything that may be slightly better than standing in a pond whilst Loki slaps me with a wet fish.... Just how many people do the "Lets go to the cinema" without a "Whats on" inquiry do they?.. or do people just organize the cinema and pick a film when they get there?... I dont know anyone who would do that. But then again, that doesnt mean they dont exist?... Would I go to a cinema, find out that the film I want is not available, and stay around for a "Second best" choice?... Erm.... Nah... I aint that soft in the head. As for the Critics. There is a show quite popolar with the BBC news channel that does the critics view of films. "Arthouse" films, the ones you need subtitles for the subtitles, shot in black and white against a backdrop of urban decay that is the slow decline of humanity, that kind of [pizza].... They get a sort of bore you to death review that kind of means people with feeble minds now believe its uber-cool to go watch it and pretend they know whats going on. Otherwise, they critics have to critic, and they will pick a film for a good slam.... So do you get to hear about every film choice?.. Oh no. They only critic the films they got free tickets for.... So all this possibly good stuff that no one has bothered to advertise is possibly passing you buy. Me as a film critic?.. if it was my job, I would go out of my way to find at least ONE decent film a week to persuade people to go see, and make the whole show about the positives, with just a tiny section "It wasnt for me" about all the dreadful crud... Sounds like hard work.... well, in a way, it should be. You cant write a whole half-hour show on that topic in the taxi cab on the way to the studio... But most of what I see probably has been done that way?... |
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Post by mrfatso on Mar 8, 2015 18:30:58 GMT
Mortdecai, Silverdragon imagine Johnny Depp doing a bad Terry Thomas impression the whole movie, from what I Understand of reviews in this country.
Here's the trailer.
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Post by ironhold on Mar 8, 2015 23:54:20 GMT
...And we already have our first round of roadkill for the year. Barring spectacular overseas ticket sales - Mortdecai: $60m budget. Total global take to date: $30.5m. Loss: $29.5m. Blackhat: $70m budget. Total global take to date: $17.5m. Loss: $52.5m. I'm seeing a few other films that might be contenders, but they're still screening domestically and so might still make a comeback. Dont know either films.... Of course, I will now google that, and find out, but you have to admit, lack of publicity is failing many films. I have just googled a IMAX cinema in Manchester, so its not a small place, and guess what.... 16 out of the 26 main page advertised films, I have never heard of. My view is that if there is a film I want to see, I will find it, not that I will check each week for anything that may be slightly better than standing in a pond whilst Loki slaps me with a wet fish.... Just how many people do the "Lets go to the cinema" without a "Whats on" inquiry do they?.. or do people just organize the cinema and pick a film when they get there?... I dont know anyone who would do that. But then again, that doesnt mean they dont exist?... Would I go to a cinema, find out that the film I want is not available, and stay around for a "Second best" choice?... Erm.... Nah... I aint that soft in the head. As for the Critics. There is a show quite popolar with the BBC news channel that does the critics view of films. "Arthouse" films, the ones you need subtitles for the subtitles, shot in black and white against a backdrop of urban decay that is the slow decline of humanity, that kind of [pizza].... They get a sort of bore you to death review that kind of means people with feeble minds now believe its uber-cool to go watch it and pretend they know whats going on. Otherwise, they critics have to critic, and they will pick a film for a good slam.... So do you get to hear about every film choice?.. Oh no. They only critic the films they got free tickets for.... So all this possibly good stuff that no one has bothered to advertise is possibly passing you buy. Me as a film critic?.. if it was my job, I would go out of my way to find at least ONE decent film a week to persuade people to go see, and make the whole show about the positives, with just a tiny section "It wasnt for me" about all the dreadful crud... Sounds like hard work.... well, in a way, it should be. You cant write a whole half-hour show on that topic in the taxi cab on the way to the studio... But most of what I see probably has been done that way?... I get reimbursed for one film a week. The local movie theater has a website up (www.cinergycinemas.com) which allows me to check on what's playing when. They update it every Wednesday, and so I know well in advance what I want to see before I go in on Friday. All I have to do is see what's playing and check IMDB.com or Wikipedia to get more info. As far as the films go, I'm a writer and so I evaluate things holistically; to me, the plot and everything related is every bit as important as the cast and how "artsy" it happens to be. As such, my reviews often run contrary to what most other reviewers - especially the "elites" - happen to say in their reviews. For example, I zeroed out "Gone Girl" and pushed for it to get a Razzie nod because the entire plot hinges on the male lead being a total and complete idiot (the film was one of Hollywood's "darlings" for the year) while giving near-maximum points to "Ender's Game" because of how well-done it was (despite the "elites" and the political correctness crowd wanting it to tank due to its association with Orson Scott Card). I took a lot of flak from people over both ratings because I was not in step with how I was "supposed" to have rated them. |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 9, 2015 5:43:30 GMT
Ironhold, I did not intentionally include you in any of my dissension of Critics, because I know you have a better idea of what is good and what is not, I hope you understood that?... And yes, your review of Gone Girl proved to be a true reflection of the film, compared to what other movie goers have said that were not trying to suck up to the glorified hollywood is king view. Unfortunately, you are not available for the films we get here....(UK) This is our IMAX site. www.odeon.co.uk/cinemas/manchester/11/At the moment, we are waiting for Fast/Furious 6. I know it will be good, and my kids want to see it. I also know the guy who built the Escort Mk3 blue car in the film.... He lives local to me in Manchester, I watched it being restored, no one knew at that time it would be destroyed for hollywood..... |
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Post by the light works on Mar 9, 2015 15:00:35 GMT
Ironhold, I did not intentionally include you in any of my dissension of Critics, because I know you have a better idea of what is good and what is not, I hope you understood that?... And yes, your review of Gone Girl proved to be a true reflection of the film, compared to what other movie goers have said that were not trying to suck up to the glorified hollywood is king view. Unfortunately, you are not available for the films we get here....(UK) This is our IMAX site. www.odeon.co.uk/cinemas/manchester/11/At the moment, we are waiting for Fast/Furious 6. I know it will be good, and my kids want to see it. I also know the guy who built the Escort Mk3 blue car in the film.... He lives local to me in Manchester, I watched it being restored, no one knew at that time it would be destroyed for hollywood..... 6, or 7? I know it is easy to be confused - I have trouble keeping track, too - but 7 is the most recent I classify those as "popcorn movies" as in eat your popcorn and enjoy the show. |
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Post by ironhold on Mar 9, 2015 16:25:45 GMT
Ironhold, I did not intentionally include you in any of my dissension of Critics, because I know you have a better idea of what is good and what is not, I hope you understood that?... And yes, your review of Gone Girl proved to be a true reflection of the film, compared to what other movie goers have said that were not trying to suck up to the glorified hollywood is king view. Unfortunately, you are not available for the films we get here....(UK) This is our IMAX site. www.odeon.co.uk/cinemas/manchester/11/At the moment, we are waiting for Fast/Furious 6. I know it will be good, and my kids want to see it. I also know the guy who built the Escort Mk3 blue car in the film.... He lives local to me in Manchester, I watched it being restored, no one knew at that time it would be destroyed for hollywood..... I'm simply explaining so that people know someone has the gumption to stand up to Hollywood. Heck, I gave "Lone Survivor" a poor rating because it was such a gore-fest. The camera made it a point to show in detail every last supposed injury the men sustained, even when the injuries shown were ones that the people shouldn't have gotten up from. I also didn't like how the locals were little more than window dressing in the film, when in reality several villagers risked life and limb to let the military know where he was so that he could be evacuated. |
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Post by mrfatso on Mar 9, 2015 17:35:15 GMT
Jupiter Ascending, that's another turkey this year, cost around $176 million, made about $150 million.
I went to see this weekend, after a friend said it was right up our alley, I will not get that time back again, stupid plot, awful acting the effects were the only good thing in it.
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Post by wvengineer on Mar 9, 2015 23:56:57 GMT
I really can't see how anyone thought that Jupiter Ascending would make money. I remember laughing out loud when I first heard the plot as to how bad it sounded. "A lonely young woman discovers that she is really the lost princess of the universe." The premise alone sounds incredibly stupid. There really isn't any way to save it with such a bad start.
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Post by mrfatso on Mar 10, 2015 13:07:25 GMT
I really can't see how anyone thought that Jupiter Ascending would make money. I remember laughing out loud when I first heard the plot as to how bad it sounded. "A lonely young woman discovers that she is really the lost princess of the universe." The premise alone sounds incredibly stupid. There really isn't any way to save it with such a bad start. That is what I thought, that is why I had not rushed out to go see it, but my friend insisted that we should go an se it. In some ways he was right, we both enjoy the book Dune and the David Lynch film version and the TV mini series, we also used to play a RPG called Fading Suns, that has similar baroque style Space Opera elements in it. The effects and world design of the space ships where quite intresting form that point of view, the plot as you say was complete bobbins. On a slight tangent to an early point Ironhold made about Enders Game, I have watched it a couple of times now, with friends who were familiar with the book and other that were not, I found that those who had read the book like it, the others did not. Does it reflect the simplifications made in the story to fit a films length? |
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Post by the light works on Mar 10, 2015 14:12:59 GMT
I really can't see how anyone thought that Jupiter Ascending would make money. I remember laughing out loud when I first heard the plot as to how bad it sounded. "A lonely young woman discovers that she is really the lost princess of the universe." The premise alone sounds incredibly stupid. There really isn't any way to save it with such a bad start. That is what I thought, that is why I had not rushed out to go see it, but my friend insisted that we should go an se it. In some ways he was right, we both enjoy the book Dune and the David Lynch film version and the TV mini series, we also used to play a RPG called Fading Suns, that has similar baroque style Space Opera elements in it. The effects and world design of the space ships where quite intresting form that point of view, the plot as you say was complete bobbins. On a slight tangent to an early point Ironhold made about Enders Game, I have watched it a couple of times now, with friends who were familiar with the book and other that were not, I found that those who had read the book like it, the others did not. Does it reflect the simplifications made in the story to fit a films length? on ender's game, I haven't read the book for quite some time, but I felt there were some thematic elements that felt different from the book. I don't recall Ender being aware of the war until late in the games. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Mar 10, 2015 16:42:52 GMT
Some things to keep in mind about professional film reviews, especially those for TV or major publications/outlets;
The reviewer is often seeing films before they are officially released, this being arranged either by the production company or the distributor. This means that they are not planning when they are going to go out to see a film, but are being told at what time and day they will be able to see it. This, along with the need to write notes up for publication quite possibly the same week, makes it impossible for any reviewer to realistically watch every film that is being released in a given week. Even if they get to see a film a few weeks in advance they will also be watching other films in that period. So reviewers have little choice but to concentrate on those films that have the most hype (which also help sell that publication, as people will read the review because they've heard of the film). Those who are lucky will not be asked to look at more than a handful of major releases (or there won't be that many major releases) in a week. But even though they may then have the time to watch something with a lower profile that doesn't mean that they will actually be able to do so, since the company might not be showing that film or not showing it at a time you can go and watch it.
Having to watch so much film or TV can leave you somewhat jaded. The reason a lot of reviewers tend to be somewhat critical of major films is not actually because the film is in itself 'bad' (which is subjective a lot of the time) but because in the last three months you've probably seen ten or twenty films with the same basic plot. What would be minor annoyances for a casual viewer become major issues when you've seen them that many times.
The best way to explain this is to imagine your favorite TV series. When you watch week after week its enjoyable, with highs and lows like any other series, with running gags and tropes remaining amusing even when you've seen them so often they are no longer funny. Now imagine watching the entire series from start to finish in a week. Those running gags and tropes stop being amusing and start becoming annoying very quickly. This is why reviewers can often wax lyrical about 'art-house' and Indy films. It's not that those films are actually any 'better' than the big releases objectively. Its that such films are such a refreshing change of pace and tone compared to the reviewers normal fare that they find them more enjoyable. If you, say, spent an entire week watching Game of Thrones or Walking Dead you'd be very happy to go watch something like Smallville or The A-Team.
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Post by the light works on Mar 10, 2015 16:49:54 GMT
Some things to keep in mind about professional film reviews, especially those for TV or major publications/outlets; The reviewer is often seeing films before they are officially released, this being arranged either by the production company or the distributor. This means that they are not planning when they are going to go out to see a film, but are being told at what time and day they will be able to see it. This, along with the need to write notes up for publication quite possibly the same week, makes it impossible for any reviewer to realistically watch every film that is being released in a given week. Even if they get to see a film a few weeks in advance they will also be watching other films in that period. So reviewers have little choice but to concentrate on those films that have the most hype (which also help sell that publication, as people will read the review because they've heard of the film). Those who are lucky will not be asked to look at more than a handful of major releases (or there won't be that many major releases) in a week. But even though they may then have the time to watch something with a lower profile that doesn't mean that they will actually be able to do so, since the company might not be showing that film or not showing it at a time you can go and watch it. Having to watch so much film or TV can leave you somewhat jaded. The reason a lot of reviewers tend to be somewhat critical of major films is not actually because the film is in itself 'bad' (which is subjective a lot of the time) but because in the last three months you've probably seen ten or twenty films with the same basic plot. What would be minor annoyances for a casual viewer become major issues when you've seen them that many times. The best way to explain this is to imagine your favorite TV series. When you watch week after week its enjoyable, with highs and lows like any other series, with running gags and tropes remaining amusing even when you've seen them so often they are no longer funny. Now imagine watching the entire series from start to finish in a week. Those running gags and tropes stop being amusing and start becoming annoying very quickly. This is why reviewers can often wax lyrical about 'art-house' and Indy films. It's not that those films are actually any 'better' than the big releases objectively. Its that such films are such a refreshing change of pace and tone compared to the reviewers normal fare that they find them more enjoyable. If you, say, spent an entire week watching Game of Thrones or Walking Dead you'd be very happy to go watch something like Smallville or The A-Team. my regional paper reviews most new releases, but I believe they have a panel of reviewers; I believe, though that individual reviewers have their own tastes, and some are more inclined to arthouse than others. there was one reviewer for a while that I would assume an opposite reception to any movie he reviewed. if he hated it, I knew I would probably like it. (of course, this was before movies like Napoleon Dynamite which I assume we would both hate)one of the things I see iron do - that I would try to do as well, is say WHY I had the opinion I did, with the implication that other people might have a different opinion of the same thing. |
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Post by mrfatso on Mar 10, 2015 16:55:39 GMT
That is what I thought, that is why I had not rushed out to go see it, but my friend insisted that we should go an se it. In some ways he was right, we both enjoy the book Dune and the David Lynch film version and the TV mini series, we also used to play a RPG called Fading Suns, that has similar baroque style Space Opera elements in it. The effects and world design of the space ships where quite intresting form that point of view, the plot as you say was complete bobbins. On a slight tangent to an early point Ironhold made about Enders Game, I have watched it a couple of times now, with friends who were familiar with the book and other that were not, I found that those who had read the book like it, the others did not. Does it reflect the simplifications made in the story to fit a films length? on ender's game, I haven't read the book for quite some time, but I felt there were some thematic elements that felt different from the book. I don't recall Ender being aware of the war until late in the games. I not remember when he lknows of then existance of the war, I guess I am not as familiar with the novel as I think.... One difference is that the novel was written before Drone technology became current IIRC Ender was sending real human troops into battle and getting huge numbers of them killed by his tactics as well as the Formics. |
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Post by ironhold on Mar 10, 2015 21:27:21 GMT
Some things to keep in mind about professional film reviews, especially those for TV or major publications/outlets; The reviewer is often seeing films before they are officially released, this being arranged either by the production company or the distributor. This means that they are not planning when they are going to go out to see a film, but are being told at what time and day they will be able to see it. This, along with the need to write notes up for publication quite possibly the same week, makes it impossible for any reviewer to realistically watch every film that is being released in a given week. Even if they get to see a film a few weeks in advance they will also be watching other films in that period. So reviewers have little choice but to concentrate on those films that have the most hype (which also help sell that publication, as people will read the review because they've heard of the film). Those who are lucky will not be asked to look at more than a handful of major releases (or there won't be that many major releases) in a week. But even though they may then have the time to watch something with a lower profile that doesn't mean that they will actually be able to do so, since the company might not be showing that film or not showing it at a time you can go and watch it. Having to watch so much film or TV can leave you somewhat jaded. The reason a lot of reviewers tend to be somewhat critical of major films is not actually because the film is in itself 'bad' (which is subjective a lot of the time) but because in the last three months you've probably seen ten or twenty films with the same basic plot. What would be minor annoyances for a casual viewer become major issues when you've seen them that many times. The best way to explain this is to imagine your favorite TV series. When you watch week after week its enjoyable, with highs and lows like any other series, with running gags and tropes remaining amusing even when you've seen them so often they are no longer funny. Now imagine watching the entire series from start to finish in a week. Those running gags and tropes stop being amusing and start becoming annoying very quickly. This is why reviewers can often wax lyrical about 'art-house' and Indy films. It's not that those films are actually any 'better' than the big releases objectively. Its that such films are such a refreshing change of pace and tone compared to the reviewers normal fare that they find them more enjoyable. If you, say, spent an entire week watching Game of Thrones or Walking Dead you'd be very happy to go watch something like Smallville or The A-Team. With me, I go to the local theater every Friday morning, pick up a ticket like everyone else, and watch the movie like a regular individual. While the daily grind does mean that Fridays can get hectic, it also means that I'm not beholden to Hollywood and so can say what I want without blow-back. |
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Post by ironhold on Mar 11, 2015 0:37:33 GMT
Box Office Mojo is saying that "Big Hero 6" is on the fast track to unseat "Frozen" as the most successful Disney film in China. It's also saying that "Jupiter Ascending" opened to $32m in China, and so it now actually has a fighting chance of breaking even.
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Post by mrfatso on Mar 11, 2015 0:59:36 GMT
I thought reading that article it still thinks that Jupiter Ascending is going to tank.
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 11, 2015 8:55:53 GMT
"Arthouse" films....
Can we get them separated from normal films in some way?...
There are a dedicated many people who will never ever step through the doors of a theater if they know that its going to be "One of those" films.
I have never had anything good to say about any one of those films.....
So for me, being forced to take notice of any upcoming ones is a waste of my time, as I cannot be expected to enjoy one.
However....
Knowing which ones to avoid is necessary.
So a separate group status is required so I take enough notice of the title to mentally mark it into the "IGNORE" bin....
This is the same way with Animation and Kids films, Adults who have no kids are not likely to be interested.
Critics, we expect much more from them.
Why?...
Because we need to know what the film is going to be so we can pick the ones we want to watch.
The critics are useless if the blast all Animation as "For kids", and be derigitory about that because they themselves are not a kid.
I will side with any critics who describe Frozen as "Aimed at juvenile girls", thus putting it on my ignore list, but of they then went on to blast it as a waste of time, they are out in the cold, as obviously its quite popular.
So how should critics work?...
As part of a team.
Its a TEAM effort.
You go see the ones YOU like, or the ones you are led to believe you like, and let the other members of the team handle the ones they like, so you need someone who enjoys hard hitting fast action modern warfare, you need someone who enjoys stunning scenery and wildlife, you need someone with children's interests of Disney, someone with Rom-Com interest, someone with "Weepie" hide behind a hanky interest, and someone with Horror interest, plus probably a few more I have forgotten here...
Get a Horror fan to go see Four Weddings and expect a decent review?... you wont get one.
Even though the film is a horror of what can go wrong in a film anyway....
So one single seasoned critic giving it "I can handle this" is, well, a very hard job?...
If that is how Ironhold is working, I have utmost respect, I can not do that, as I think I may have thrown up several times whilst trying to sit through the sugary sweet overkill of Frozen.
(I even hate with a passion the song from the film...)
We have one local paper that not so widely distributed that I have to go looking for, who will say at the start of the review something like "We sent Clair to see this one as thats her particular corner of the market", you get a decent review from someone who is interested in the film and would go see it anyway even if they were not paid to be there.
Plus you also get a deeper incite to the duds if someone who was supposed to be in the audience the film was aimed at, can point out exactly why it failed for them.....
Again, if Clair has young girls, and they hated frozen, it has to be bad?...
On the other side of the coin, I know one famous critic who will rail-gun high explosive dissensions at certain films.....
And if he does that, I know I will enjoy going to see them.
He HATED Monty python, and aimed Life of Brian at the remainder bin before it was even released....
Now you know why I look for his comments....
Back to arthouse.
To have to miss half the film because you need to watch the bottom of the screen for the translations....
Can someone please get a hold of those twits and get them to do an "Overdub" for foreign markets?...
"I have my bicycle outside, it is time to twiddle the badgers, you need to go over the mountain to pick tulips" is not much of a script is it?...
Hand up here who is a dedicated Opera fan....
To the extent that its the ONLY type of theater they will watch.
Ok, get that as a simple if its on they will be there, but they will watch other things inbetween?...
No one.?.. maybe one out of our usual band of suspects?... I would have expected one person....
Right.
Hand up here who has ever seen an Opera, either in whole of in part, and has done so out of interest to see if its worth a watch....
That would be most people.
So its not for everyones taste is it?....
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Post by Cybermortis on Mar 11, 2015 13:41:03 GMT
Consider yourself lucky.
The chart show on BBC Radio 1 introduced a new presenter the week that song was released, and naturally it was in the top 40.
When she left two years and one week later not only was it still in the top 40, but had been there every single week. Meaning that she'd ended up having to play it over a hundred times...It got to the point where she started wondering if people were buying the song simply so she had to play it.
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