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Post by silverdragon on Jan 22, 2017 10:22:43 GMT
The royal "We"?.. however, you personally may differ... I had to duck-fu that, I thought it would mean a large standing stone or monument?.. In Software terms it used to denote stuff that was very oldschool "set in stone" heavy usage but not very flexible. Perhaps thats what you mean?.. "Cash Cow" camera's are just that. When there is no bloody good reason for a speed camera to be "just there", say for instance in Brunstoms nort Wales, then they are just cash cows, mile of MAMBA and a speed camera just in case someone mile-munches on the very quiet road. And you know they do. |
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 22, 2017 16:06:20 GMT
"We" in the sense of "Americans", the various citizens of the 50 states. "Monolithic" in the sense of one giant piece, all identical in composition. In this usage, with the same laws in every state/community. Alaskans are different from Californians are different from Floridians are different from New Yorkers, etc. Heck, Los Angelenos are different from San Franciscans, even. Just like Greeks are different from British are different from French are different from Poles, etc. Yes, there are common things in all those groups, but there is enough differences to be notable. Am I making sense (for once)?  |
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 23, 2017 9:07:29 GMT
"We" in the sense of "Americans", the various citizens of the 50 states. "Monolithic" in the sense of one giant piece, all identical in composition. In this usage, with the same laws in every state/community. Alaskans are different from Californians are different from Floridians are different from New Yorkers, etc. Heck, Los Angelenos are different from San Franciscans, even. Just like Greeks are different from British are different from French are different from Poles, etc. Yes, there are common things in all those groups, but there is enough differences to be notable. Am I making sense (for once)? Nope!... carry on as usual.. Yeah, I already got that, the whole America is one large heavy slab thats reluctant to change, even resists change... thats monolithic.. and actually it is still true of software description as well, large heavy pieces of software that when you try to change something take a month in bug chasing to get the rest of it to run with those updates... Think Windows. Thats truly monolithic. |
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 23, 2017 15:03:14 GMT
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 24, 2017 7:32:23 GMT
There are some places in that wonderful country of yours where that is just which side of the table you have breakfast?.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 31, 2017 10:38:08 GMT
www.nj.com/burlington/index.ssf/2017/01/woman_threw_5-year-old_onto_tracks_as_train_was_ap.htmlCompletely unrelated to the girl, neither knew each other at all, or the parent of the girl, there is no connection between tham that can be traced, but as this woman acting "Suspiciously" was being approached by police, possibly as a distraction, she threw a 5-yr old in front of a train. I am horrified. I am also slightly scared that people like that exist and walk amongst us. I would be scared for my own kids, but one is an Ex Cadet Warrant Officer and knows self defence in ways that scares me, one is "Viking shaped" and over 6ft2, and one is over 6ft and athletic built, no one is harming them without them fighting back... they can look after themselves?.. They are also community minded and would fight for the rights of anyone else being bullied... But as for the woman in this story?.. Personally I would consider heavily the act of giving the kids parents ten mins without anyone else looking alone with the woman to explain their fury.... But I am accused often of being too hard on criminals?. Just HOW do you deal with someone that dangerous?.. do you ever consider them "Safe for release"?.. if so, are they to be a burden on taxpayers for the rest of their lives?..
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 31, 2017 10:41:07 GMT
Erm.. wait a mo....
Less see that again....
So how does banning people from Muslim counties help fight against "Home grown" hate attacks from NON-Muslims?..
Unless you are preparing to remove all the muslims from the country to deny them a target?..
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Post by the light works on Jan 31, 2017 15:03:24 GMT
www.nj.com/burlington/index.ssf/2017/01/woman_threw_5-year-old_onto_tracks_as_train_was_ap.htmlCompletely unrelated to the girl, neither knew each other at all, or the parent of the girl, there is no connection between tham that can be traced, but as this woman acting "Suspiciously" was being approached by police, possibly as a distraction, she threw a 5-yr old in front of a train. I am horrified. I am also slightly scared that people like that exist and walk amongst us. I would be scared for my own kids, but one is an Ex Cadet Warrant Officer and knows self defence in ways that scares me, one is "Viking shaped" and over 6ft2, and one is over 6ft and athletic built, no one is harming them without them fighting back... they can look after themselves?.. They are also community minded and would fight for the rights of anyone else being bullied... But as for the woman in this story?.. Personally I would consider heavily the act of giving the kids parents ten mins without anyone else looking alone with the woman to explain their fury.... But I am accused often of being too hard on criminals?. Just HOW do you deal with someone that dangerous?.. do you ever consider them "Safe for release"?.. if so, are they to be a burden on taxpayers for the rest of their lives?.. This is why I feel that people in incarceration should be required to do something to earn their keep. and to those who claim that is cruel and unusual punishment, I would point out that I am required to earn MY keep. what have I done that is more terrible than throwing a strange child in front of a train? |
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Post by the light works on Jan 31, 2017 15:07:10 GMT
Erm.. wait a mo.... Less see that again.... So how does banning people from Muslim counties help fight against "Home grown" hate attacks from NON-Muslims?.. Unless you are preparing to remove all the muslims from the country to deny them a target?.. America is now a post-factual society. |
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 1, 2017 21:09:28 GMT
Erm.. wait a mo.... Less see that again.... So how does banning people from Muslim counties help fight against "Home grown" hate attacks from NON-Muslims?.. Unless you are preparing to remove all the muslims from the country to deny them a target?.. Although this specific case was a non-Muslim conducting an attack on Muslims, there's still that little factual bug in the eye of most "we all have to love each other" liberals that most terrorist attacks are conducted by Muslims these days. No, denying Muslims access to the US wouldn't have prevented an attack like that, but it might prevent others. On the flip side of that, it might also get Muslims or others already in America to carry out attacks they otherwise wouldn't have because they feel provoked by this new law. Let's just hope that doesn't happen. |
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Post by Lokifan on Feb 1, 2017 22:02:47 GMT
I do find the idea that a new law "provokes" a massacre sounds suspiciously like a threat.
If the Canadians come up with a new law to stop killers like him, will that get other people like him to carry out attacks?
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Post by Lokifan on Feb 1, 2017 22:06:40 GMT
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Post by the light works on Feb 2, 2017 0:00:53 GMT
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Post by Lokifan on Feb 2, 2017 4:08:57 GMT
Actually, the reason I linked to it was it was written by Nonie Darwish. I've gone to one of her presentations. Her story is rather amazing. Also, she is an apostate Muslim and has been targeted for assassination, so of course she is biased. Bias isn't always unfair. |
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 2, 2017 7:41:46 GMT
I do find the idea that a new law "provokes" a massacre sounds suspiciously like a threat. If the Canadians come up with a new law to stop killers like him, will that get other people like him to carry out attacks? Yes it does sound like a threat, but not from me. It's happened before. Intolerance breeds intolerance. It's just a fact of life. And I mean "intolerance" in the literal sense of the word, as in "will not tolerate", not the snowflake "I see every joke as a micro-aggression" sense. The new administration has decided it will not tolerate people from nations known to breed and harbor terrorists coming into the US and a lot of people are refusing to tolerate every person from those countries being painted with the same brush. Friction ensues and friction creates heat. Build up enough heat and something will eventually catch fire. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if someone carried out an attack just to "prove" what nope is doing doesn't work. Worse has been done over less in the past. |
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Post by Lokifan on Feb 2, 2017 8:56:55 GMT
Threatening massacres because of a temporary, limited ban for 120 days is too extreme for any civilized person. Better to take them to court.
Seriously, 120 days to determine a better vetting method is the same as intolerance? And it demands blood and violence?
Sorry, no. A temporary travel ban on countries that have been banned before, and for longer, doesn't sound like intolerance to me.
The rest is partisan hackery, and outright lies.
Frankly, if this temporary ban triggers massacres, then maybe intolerance would be justified?
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 2, 2017 10:14:45 GMT
It went on... I am indeed agreeing of that stance?.. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 2, 2017 10:26:43 GMT
He said he was targetting planes meant for one country, but there were planes meant to be delivered to many other needed places on that site, including the ones meant directly for RAF movements against Daesh/ISIS, I know that site, I know what goes on there, and its not just one plane for one country deal, its many planes either being made or repaired.
He was arrested by security before he managed to get close, but his intention was mass vandalism on any plane he could find.
On the grounds that any aircraft are Murder, be they for defence or anything else...
So destroying planes that are meant to help the fight against the daesh isis war is "Christian" is it?..
In a take on a famous statement made in London recently...
You aint no Christian bro.....
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 2, 2017 10:35:16 GMT
To clear up a matter.
I was initially against the Ban.
For the reason that people already checked and permitted to fly, those who have had permission to enter, were turned around at the gate.
As for the ban for ANY migration from certain "troubled" nations, if it was for anyone new to applying, I am all in agreement until more stringent background checks can be put in place...
I also would suggest that UK take a careful look at this and perhaps plan something similar to aid our own censorship of known terrorists entering our own country.
This is again, why BREXIT.
Europe "Demanded" that we just take anyone who appears at the gates of UK.
We asked if we could censor who was allowed, they told us to [duck] off and just allow anyone, we said hawld on a mo, there are too many, they said so what?. they dont want them, we said do we really have to take anyone you dont want, they said yes, we said no, they threw a hissy fit, and upped our subscription fees to be "Part of their club", now we have BREXIT.
Controlling migration so you can put in place more stringent checks to deny the criminal intent section, are for me, a bloody good idea, especially if it halts terrorist imports, but, that change happened too suddenly, and for those who had already paid for their transport having been given "green card" permission to travel, that was a bit unfair.
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Post by the light works on Feb 2, 2017 14:20:07 GMT
Threatening massacres because of a temporary, limited ban for 120 days is too extreme for any civilized person. Better to take them to court. Seriously, 120 days to determine a better vetting method is the same as intolerance? And it demands blood and violence? Sorry, no. A temporary travel ban on countries that have been banned before, and for longer, doesn't sound like intolerance to me. The rest is partisan hackery, and outright lies. Frankly, if this temporary ban triggers massacres, then maybe intolerance would be justified? put most simply, it gives the bad guys something to wave in front of the undecided guys to reinforce their claim that America is waging war against muslims. the accusation is essentially like accusing the ex husband of slapping the kids in front of the ex-wife's lawyer. |
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