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Post by the light works on Aug 1, 2015 10:55:30 GMT
... which would count as an offensive weapon in the UK? not sure what their standard would be. the blade is, obviously, smaller than a credit card.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 2, 2015 7:32:50 GMT
I carry and actual KNIFE in the boot of my car. I carry a "Life hammer" under my seat where I can reach it, one of those that will cut seat belts and smash windows, but I have a Swiss-Army knife in the tool box circular tub in the centre of the spare wheel.. its one of the real ones, not and over stuffed toy with breakable bits no one ever use, just the basic tools you would use, strong and sturdy, 25 yrs old. So is it an offensive weapon?... Hell yeah, it can be, especially when I am angry and need to pair off a bit of wire to repair the wiring under the bonnet 'cos I broke down in the middle of nowhere.....(And dont want to wait for a tow truck...) But then again, I have a (nearly) four foot long piece of ash with a comfortable worn handle thats quicker to swing than a baseball bat at the side of my chair that I carry everywhere with me. So what do you prefer, the walking stick, or a two inch blade thats "just a moment whilst I empty the boot" job?... This offensive weapon is relative.... If you can prove need to use, Like I can by showing a HGV licence, my daily tool kit MUST be something I can attack a pallet thats been shrink wrapped with. But say I went to some event at a night club, ....... But then again, behind the bar, I carry the waiters friend type corkscrew?... and that has a blade to strip off the aluminium foil over a cork. Am I going to bother with that when the spike on the corkscrew is quite sharp.... Its all relative, its what you intend to use it for isnt it?... Somewhere in my attic I have a couple of old Lock blade fold-able knives... antique... I may have reason to believe they may be illegal now?... I also have a six inch tempered steel "Bowie" style kinfe that looks a bit like this... ...in my kitchen. I use it to separate frozen chops from the freezer that have stuck together, I may occasionally use a rubber hammer to help, its bloody sharp, but I believe if I took it out of my door its an instant arrest thing.
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Post by the light works on Aug 2, 2015 15:19:41 GMT
It is a bit of a sad thing that our society (speaking of humans at large) has deteriorated to the point that we can't operate under the assumption that a person is NOT contemplating mayhem because of the shape of his knife. in large parts of rural America, you could go out and about with that knife strapped to your hip without raising any eyebrows. the only issue would come if you made a habit of pulling it out and waving it about inappropriately.
and in short, as you say, if I had the intent of harming someone the knife would be the last thing I would reach for. I have plenty of things that can do more damage with less personal risk.
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Post by kharnynb on Aug 2, 2015 17:21:43 GMT
In finland, you can't officially carry a edged blade weapon in "built-up" area's.
This law is seen as a way to stop drunk or otherwise aggressive people from harming others and is not enforced in any realistic way.
Most craftsmen, hunters, hikers etc etc. carry at the least a "puukko" dagger on their belt, usually also some form of multi-tool. This is seen as perfectly normal anywhere but in the very center of big cities.
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Post by the light works on Aug 2, 2015 21:13:38 GMT
I once talked to a guy who did some repair work inside a juvenile detention facility (Jr. Prison)they told him they would be assigning him a detainee as a helper, but not to allow them to have anything they could use as a weapon.
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Post by ironhold on Aug 3, 2015 0:33:01 GMT
I once talked to a guy who did some repair work inside a juvenile detention facility (Jr. Prison)they told him they would be assigning him a detainee as a helper, but not to allow them to have anything they could use as a weapon. ...which is everything...
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Post by the light works on Aug 3, 2015 0:39:18 GMT
I once talked to a guy who did some repair work inside a juvenile detention facility (Jr. Prison)they told him they would be assigning him a detainee as a helper, but not to allow them to have anything they could use as a weapon. ...which is everything... pretty much.
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Post by Lokifan on Aug 3, 2015 5:32:03 GMT
Yeah, I was trying to see how that could work.
No screwdrivers, knives, saws, nails, screws, wrenches (blunt instruments), metal rulers, drills...I think it'd be easier to come up with a list of less harmless items.
Wire nuts? Plastic strain reliefs? Plumber's putty? That's all that's coming to mind.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 3, 2015 7:30:13 GMT
I once went into a jail to visit a friend who rather stupidly got involved with some twerps. I didnt think. On the "surrender all" bit before they let you in, they found on my person, because I was riding a Bike of doubtful parentage, even less reliability than a politician, and strange handling characteristics of an Old Brit bike, being an old Norton Commando, in my Biker jacket they found all number of tools... I ended up just taking off the jacket and telling them to keep the whole thing until I came out again?... But they eyed my belt buckle with suspicion.... it was a large "Jack Daniels" sculpted white metal with enamel details thing.... Look, if you take that, my trousers will fall down..... And then they inspected my boots. Aw Cr@p..... I had to lie, and tell them that the metal panels in them were not removable. They were, you could pop a few stitches and nip them out quite easily, for reasons of repair if you had a spill, they were lightly sewn into pockets in the leather, but if they took them out, they were hell to put back in again?... (I had done that once already when I bent them) The next time I went, I dressed more sensible. My Friend got six months for tax evasion.... Basically his bike was four years old and had NEVER had Tax MOT or him a full Bike driving licence. Twit.... Still on Provisional. He got a full licence within months of getting out, and we forced him to get his bike legal, and out of that gang of twits who thought they were "cool" by being idiots. Which were also his bail conditions... The Judge, a sensible sole, had reasoned that on release, there was probably zero chance of him NOT riding a bike, so banning him was useless, so had set the conditions he would go through the test procedure, get his bike legal, and any single instance of him being seen in "Colours" with that gang or any other traffic illegality, he would go immediately back before that same judge. He was on probation for two years, and had further "control" by that judge who said he would be watching him to make sure he was behaving.... Rather a sensible beak?... Its a shame we dont hear of Judges that sensible today isnt it?. My Friend, at last time of me knowing, had got himself into another LEGAL bike organization, NABD, National Association of Bikers with Disabilities, and now does conversion jobs on other peoples bikes to help them ride. He is still legal, and looks back to that instance with "What a prat I was..." It was him that introduced me to these.... Basically one size fits many. They are also useful on any rounded-off nut. They are for general emergency cant find the right spanner use, as they aint too gentle on hex nut edges, but as an emergency tool kit, carry two of them instead of a dozen mixed sizes?... priceless.
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Post by the light works on Aug 3, 2015 14:59:25 GMT
my dad has the SAE version of those.
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 3, 2015 16:17:56 GMT
my dad has the SAE version of those. Those are the most useful "one size fits none" wrenches I've ever owned.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 4, 2015 5:16:40 GMT
my dad has the SAE version of those. Those are the most useful "one size fits none" wrenches I've ever owned. I bought mine in whitworth size, but they fit imperial, and are good for any "AF" size as well.
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Post by the light works on Aug 4, 2015 5:55:33 GMT
Those are the most useful "one size fits none" wrenches I've ever owned. I bought mine in whitworth size, but they fit imperial, and are good for any "AF" size as well. they are now making our crescent wrenches in both inch and metric sizes. the SAE "universal" wrenches have 4 heads, and no cushion grip. - and the head is a closed ring.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 4, 2015 6:48:14 GMT
I bought mine in whitworth size, but they fit imperial, and are good for any "AF" size as well. they are now making our crescent wrenches in both inch and metric sizes. the SAE "universal" wrenches have 4 heads, and no cushion grip. - and the head is a closed ring. I have a set that are Inch on one end and (the closest) Metric on the other... they have been around since my Dad gave them to me?... (40+ years ago?..) My latest acquisition in wrenches was metric and imperial ratchet closed loop spanners. Priceless.
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Post by the light works on Aug 4, 2015 10:10:05 GMT
they are now making our crescent wrenches in both inch and metric sizes. the SAE "universal" wrenches have 4 heads, and no cushion grip. - and the head is a closed ring. I have a set that are Inch on one end and (the closest) Metric on the other... they have been around since my Dad gave them to me?... (40+ years ago?..) My latest acquisition in wrenches was metric and imperial ratchet closed loop spanners. Priceless. by which you mean ratcheting box wrenches? to me, this is a spanner.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 5, 2015 5:40:34 GMT
Yes, but I never get the "Box" bit, I have never even found any nuts on a cardboard box to tighten. I have found a few loons holding cardboard boxes who may need tightening.... the roll up to the back of the wagon, with box, "where do you want this one then?.." Well, maybe we put it on the roof rack then?...
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 5, 2015 13:53:25 GMT
Yes, but I never get the "Box" bit, I have never even found any nuts on a cardboard box to tighten. I have found a few loons holding cardboard boxes who may need tightening.... the roll up to the back of the wagon, with box, "where do you want this one then?.." Well, maybe we put it on the roof rack then?... And I never got the "rat-chet" part. Isn't that the first sign your house may be infiltrated by rodents?
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Post by the light works on Aug 5, 2015 14:19:21 GMT
Yes, but I never get the "Box" bit, I have never even found any nuts on a cardboard box to tighten. I have found a few loons holding cardboard boxes who may need tightening.... the roll up to the back of the wagon, with box, "where do you want this one then?.." Well, maybe we put it on the roof rack then?... box is in contrast to open end. a box wrench has a closed end.
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 5, 2015 14:42:14 GMT
Yes, but I never get the "Box" bit, I have never even found any nuts on a cardboard box to tighten. I have found a few loons holding cardboard boxes who may need tightening.... the roll up to the back of the wagon, with box, "where do you want this one then?.." Well, maybe we put it on the roof rack then?... box is in contrast to open end. a box wrench has a closed end. And then there are open-end box wrenches use for tightening connections on refrigeration tubing. You may also call this a box wrench.
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Post by the light works on Aug 5, 2015 14:53:35 GMT
the upper one is more commonly called a "gland" wrench, here.
but the common usage here is that a wrench turns a geometric shape, and a spanner grabs lugs on something.
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