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Post by silverdragon on May 13, 2015 8:30:58 GMT
This has been covered slightly before, when the team joined up with Deadliest Catch. However, its now being put into use. www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32702410Answer, YES it bloody well is, but, how much? Insomniacs, I have a spot for you here as well, later on..... To cut this article down to size, in brief, The "Solar impulse", a plane made to fly on solar power alone, is setting off from China to fly non stop "Around the world". Its expected to take 5 days in total, and nights as well, obviously, but the pilot will take 20 min "Cat naps" whilst the plane is on auto-pilot, to get some sleep, up to 12 times a day. ONE pilot, so he is doing this completely solo. He has had sleep therapy so he can self hypnotise to get to the deep sleep bit. So is it enough?... Some scientists are warn9ng that it should be at least an hour and a half to get enough regeneration to be restorative. I have experienced that myself, long time back. And it scared me sideways enough that I immediately got off the bloody road and found somewhere to get a nap.... I had somehow "missed" about half a mile of road, could not remember how, had no recollection of how I got where I was, until I realised what had happened.... Almost panic?... hell yeah, why not, I admit it did scare several shades of "What the (beep) am I doing" out of me. So onwards to this new idea on this myth. Can someone function on short sleeps, can they train them-self to last a working week of 5 days on ONLY 20 min naps. Now I suggest this be done in a carefully monitored situation with medical staff ready to "catch" the test subject when they fall-over... Fall-over as in the phrase when something stops working and shuts down, like a computer doing a BSOD. The Medical staff MUST have the ability to stop the test, thus medical staff have the option of busting the myth.... Its only right that someone outside the test has the ability to bust this one, when the test subject gets too "out of it" to make their own decisions. In my own experience, I have done a 72hr shift all in one. Zero sleep at all. I slept afterwards for about two days, waking briefly to eat/drink etc as necessary. Secondary to this myth, Insomniacs..... Can you find someone who has this condition and put them through to work alongside the test subject?... Reason for this, I know there are people who survive on little or no sleep at all, I want to include them in the test, to see just how they manage to function at all with no sleep. My suggestion is they be left to their own natural sleep pattern, and not encouraged to either sleep or do without, just as a "control" I also suggest that a control be put in place, where someone who is not under any sleep control at all be allowed to work alongside those under this test, and all of them do similar tests into their functionality and ability to operate machinery make decisions do maths type of thing, to see how much deterioration those with no proper sleep suffer over the test period. Any comments on this?.. any suggested addition or changes to the above would be welcome... |
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Post by the light works on May 13, 2015 11:53:13 GMT
I would be interested to see how many of the people who claim anecdotally that they never sleep actually don't.
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Post by Cybermortis on May 13, 2015 22:24:56 GMT
Three (related) points;
Sleep deprevation carries health risks.
They usually only have a day or so to do testing.
Although MB have and do occasionally use groups, they want to be as involved with testing as possible.
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All of the above explain why when they did the cat-nap myth they used the build team, who were younger than A&J, and only ran the test over one night/day.
*Edit*
As you noted this is basically the same myth they did for the Deadliest Catch special. I'd suspect that they'd turn it down on that ground alone.
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Post by silverdragon on May 14, 2015 4:54:28 GMT
Three (related) points; Sleep deprevation carries health risks. They usually only have a day or so to do testing. Although MB have and do occasionally use groups, they want to be as involved with testing as possible. *** All of the above explain why when they did the cat-nap myth they used the build team, who were younger than A&J, and only ran the test over one night/day. *Edit* As you noted this is basically the same myth they did for the Deadliest Catch special. I'd suspect that they'd turn it down on that ground alone. This is why I am thinking "Re-Visit".... I would suggest a deadliest catch and Time Bandit association, but no way would they sanction this "at sea", far too dangerous, so it would have to be in port. |
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Post by Cybermortis on May 14, 2015 14:49:26 GMT
The question they would ask would be 'why?'. They only revisit when there are good grounds to suspect they did something wrong first time around. Or when the myth could be redone in a new interesting way they didn't initially think of (or possibly didn't have the time to do first time around).
Not trying to burst the bubble, just trying to explain the reaction they are likely to have if this idea was brought to the table.
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Post by silverdragon on May 15, 2015 7:34:02 GMT
The 5 day round the world flight by a Solo pilot, pushing the boundaries of sleep deprivation, its been in the news... is that good enough to revisit this?...
I appreciate your input, but without that flight, I agree this is old news.
Not worth the test.
But someone has set a record.....
Now its "research" into how long a human can comfortably comply with sleep deprivation, and Mythbusters are "trusted" as being impartial testers.
Can you see why and where I am going with this?...
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Post by mrfatso on May 15, 2015 12:53:54 GMT
I suffer as you many remember from sleep apnoea, and have CPAP therapy.
There was however a period of some months when I first began to feel really sick when Hospital performed many tests on my heart and lungs to find out what was wrong, before I actually did a sleep test.
After that they found I was getting sleep only in very short bursts less even than the 20 minutes than the pilot in the solar plane. It effected my heart, blood pressure, the oxygen saturation in the blood, caused tiredness both mental,and physical, headaches and caused me to halucinate. But I did not die in that period, even if it did cause me long term health problems due to the strain on the heart.
Can a person go sleep,deprived for a shorter period without too many problems, I sure they can, but if you push it too long it could get quite bad for the show.
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Post by Cybermortis on May 15, 2015 13:50:21 GMT
The 5 day round the world flight by a Solo pilot, pushing the boundaries of sleep deprivation, its been in the news... is that good enough to revisit this?... I appreciate your input, but without that flight, I agree this is old news. Not worth the test. But someone has set a record..... Now its "research" into how long a human can comfortably comply with sleep deprivation, and Mythbusters are "trusted" as being impartial testers. Can you see why and where I am going with this?... Yes, but I don't think this is something they would look at. Other than the reasons I gave above there is another reason; Time. This wouldn't be a five day test, it would be longer as you missed out the sleep therapy part of the pilots preparation. Even five days is too long for a test since; They have a single film crew, and in order to capture what was going on (and make sure there was no cheating) they too would also have to more or less stay up for the full five days. The earlier myth was done in a contained location (a ship) in one night, so they could set up cameras to keep an eye on the team. That would not be practical for five days, as the guys would have other things to do* including going home - and neither of them is going to let them film inside their own home**. (*This would include working at M5's normal business, as producers and working with heavy machinery. All of these require a clear head and in the latter case would be far to dangerous to do when that tired.) (**Jamie HAS allowed them to film in his house. They visited his garage to pick up daddy long legs in the shows early days.) To give some idea as to the problems this would pose for filming and time consider that as far as I can tell the entire Transformers episode was filmed in some seven or eight days. That was for both of the myths, which my Bothan let slip were filmed back to back. |
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Post by kharnynb on May 23, 2015 21:39:48 GMT
when I was shrimp fishing, the limit the captains set was 48 hours without full 8 hour harbour/anchor park (we had 3 man boats,so no shifts).
And at the end of the 48 hours, you would be practically sleepwalking....I don't trust anyone who thinks they can function fully after about 2 days of no real sleep.
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Post by the light works on May 24, 2015 3:22:42 GMT
when I was shrimp fishing, the limit the captains set was 48 hours without full 8 hour harbour/anchor park (we had 3 man boats,so no shifts). And at the end of the 48 hours, you would be practically sleepwalking....I don't trust anyone who thinks they can function fully after about 2 days of no real sleep. I worked a rush project that had us working 12 hours on/8 hours off monday through saturday. by saturday night, I'd be so loopy that I once turned a wire on to cut it; and the boss' daughter started looking good. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 24, 2015 10:37:40 GMT
I got stuck in an 8hr jam when a crash closed the M62.
The 8hrs of extended waiting time were at the end of a 9hr shift, trying to get home.
"Special dispensation" is given at times like that to "get home", and normal tachograph rules that say I should park up immediately are suspended... I am on a motorway, there is nowhere to park.... the closest place is home anyway.
The monotony of sitting not knowing just waiting for 8hrs?... its a killer.
The whole point of this is that after that shift, I barely managed to drive home, it was a good job the roads were quiet, as it took all I had to drive the car from factory to home, I got in, the Wife took one look, made a brew, helped me to bed, and just accepted I was useless until I had slept.
The drive home was excruciating....
I look back and wonder just how do some fools manage a 12 hr or more drive....
You cant be fully aware of whats around you by then.
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Post by the light works on May 24, 2015 14:27:55 GMT
I have done a few long days that ended with a drive, and I can say that it is a bad idea best avoided.
but yes, here, too, the police have the leeway to suspend the clock in mitigating circumstances.
after multiple occasions of wildland firefighting crews demolishing themselves on the way home from a fire, there is now a rule that a demobilized fire crew CANNOT leave camp until the day after their last shift ends. however, they still will move a crew hundreds of miles between shifts.
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Post by silverdragon on May 25, 2015 10:15:38 GMT
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Post by silverdragon on May 25, 2015 10:20:27 GMT
I have done a few long days that ended with a drive, and I can say that it is a bad idea best avoided. but yes, here, too, the police have the leeway to suspend the clock in mitigating circumstances. after multiple occasions of wildland firefighting crews demolishing themselves on the way home from a fire, there is now a rule that a demobilized fire crew CANNOT leave camp until the day after their last shift ends. however, they still will move a crew hundreds of miles between shifts. This is one thing I disagree with, being transported between shifts. I was offered the chance of long distance, but as a team drive, as I I drive 8 hrs then someone else takes over. I find it difficult to sleep in moving vehicles..... If at all. Thats why I fear long distance flights. I cant remember ever taking a nap lasting more than a few minutes in the air. Except one time when I was asleep before the aircraft left the ramp, as it had been a VERY long day, and I was that tired I would have slept balanced on a washing line, if that was the only place available. |
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Post by the light works on May 25, 2015 16:06:50 GMT
I have done a few long days that ended with a drive, and I can say that it is a bad idea best avoided. but yes, here, too, the police have the leeway to suspend the clock in mitigating circumstances. after multiple occasions of wildland firefighting crews demolishing themselves on the way home from a fire, there is now a rule that a demobilized fire crew CANNOT leave camp until the day after their last shift ends. however, they still will move a crew hundreds of miles between shifts. This is one thing I disagree with, being transported between shifts. I was offered the chance of long distance, but as a team drive, as I I drive 8 hrs then someone else takes over. I find it difficult to sleep in moving vehicles..... If at all. Thats why I fear long distance flights. I cant remember ever taking a nap lasting more than a few minutes in the air. Except one time when I was asleep before the aircraft left the ramp, as it had been a VERY long day, and I was that tired I would have slept balanced on a washing line, if that was the only place available. you misread - this is not loading them in a bus and they wake up miles from where they started. this is telling them, "we need you in THIS location in the morning, load up and get there" I can't sleep in a moving vehicle either. the police get excited when I try. everybody else I routinely travel with does, however. I'm assuming if I get to do the Scotland trip, I will find a way to nap on the airplane. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 26, 2015 5:01:33 GMT
I have scared a few hedges in my time as well...
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