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Post by Antigone68104 on Jun 17, 2015 22:19:39 GMT
I'm wondering if I should get a tablet.
I missed the cutoff to upgrade a Kickstarter pledge for an RPG setting from the PDF-only level to the printed books level. Granted, I can and have read PDFs on my laptop, but with the usual two-column layout there's a lot of scrolling up and down. It's supposed to be possible to put PDFs on my Kindle, but unlike actual Kindle editions you can't resize the page. The thought of trying to read something sized for 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper on a 5" screen is giving me sympathy eyestrain.
If I get one, it'll probably turn into a gaming reference library. But if I use it for that, it would be best if I could run a character generator program on it as well, and the program is written in Java. Is there such a thing as a tablet that can run standard Java?
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Post by silverdragon on Jun 18, 2015 6:12:20 GMT
Good question, a few pointers, this depends on what you are doing with the java, so check out all options. I hope others can also put in a little help here, as I dont do Java on Android, I cant see the screen that well to code on something that small. From here. www.wikihow.com/Get-Java-on-AndroidRead whole article, it will involve a little "Rooting" work, as in tweaking of the android operating system. On some devices, you may need to return it to factory settings if you need to return it for any reason..... OR, You could always tie both hands behind your back and get a [spit-spit]windows device. (Se later on in post...) This depends on how you wish to work. If you will be writing Java, I suggest you stick to using a Lap-top, or Desk-top, as Java can be "run" in some browsers on Android by opening the settings in the browser [menu][settings][advanced] will be the usual route, and Enable Java script, but you are hinting you want more than that. From here... simplydroid.com/forum/adding-java-android-tablet-31154.htmlI cannot however verify that this works, its worth a try, but I have never witnessed it being done (Yet?) Its not the only route....There is also the suggestions that the AIDE may not support an on-screen keyboard, so unless you get a plug-in USB keyboard or the like, it may be useless.... (I do not know for sure...) There are some problems, so have a read up on as many forums as you can, you may come across this. Its a reply to someone on one forum... Do NOT believe the first person you read, they may not know the full story... www.tomsguide.com/forum/id-973349/java-android-tablets-honeycomb.htmlstackoverflow.com/questions/6503607/programming-on-android-tabletInteresting in depth discussion with other links worth following [EDIT... I have not had chance to verify all links on all sites are "safe", so proceed with caution... ok?..This is a good reference page of a forum with some good topics. Following one, I came across this.... androiddelta.com/java-emulators-for-android-list-of-best-java-emulators/Its a list of Java Emulators you can download I have reason to believe JBED, PhoneME, Jblend NetMite They are "favourites", in that order. PhoneME will work on Un-rooted devices.... Which implies you may need to run rooting to get the other ones to work. I dont have direct links for all of them, but a likkle search will turn them up quickly?...if you want them?... It will also turn up instructions on how to get them to work. On the wind-woes tablets, beware, Intel Atom Based win8 (clover trail) was reported to be the only route to running true java on a tablet. This may have changed as more tablets bring in full Windows JAVA support, and Win-10 may have more "features" that support JAVA, so check carefully that any Windows tablet has the right functionality before you buy.... And dont believe that the tech-squad at PC World will understand the query and have answers, do some searching online for yourself before you buy. I hope this has been some help....
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Post by Antigone68104 on Jun 19, 2015 14:21:59 GMT
Good point on the keyboard. Most of character building can be done by clicking on the appropriate power/skill/disadvantage, but there is some typing involved -- if nothing else, naming the character file so I can save it.
I won't actually be writing Java code, but Hero Designer is a JAR file. So if I were to get an Android tablet, I'd have to tinker with it.
It might be simpler to leave Hero Designer on the laptop, and just use a tablet (if I get one) as a rulebook/scenario library. That Kickstarter is getting me six or so long PDFs, and I've got several other gaming books in that format as well.
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Post by the light works on Jun 19, 2015 15:05:38 GMT
Good point on the keyboard. Most of character building can be done by clicking on the appropriate power/skill/disadvantage, but there is some typing involved -- if nothing else, naming the character file so I can save it. I won't actually be writing Java code, but Hero Designer is a JAR file. So if I were to get an Android tablet, I'd have to tinker with it. It might be simpler to leave Hero Designer on the laptop, and just use a tablet (if I get one) as a rulebook/scenario library. That Kickstarter is getting me six or so long PDFs, and I've got several other gaming books in that format as well. the other option as he said, is to get a windows based tablet. this will have the advantage of being able to bounce stuff back and forth to your laptop as well.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Jun 23, 2015 21:02:42 GMT
So far, all the Windows tablets I've seen have been more expensive than my laptop. Granted, the laptop isn't a touchscreen.
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Post by the light works on Jun 23, 2015 23:32:25 GMT
So far, all the Windows tablets I've seen have been more expensive than my laptop. Granted, the laptop isn't a touchscreen. and laptops are getting CHEAP.
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 26, 2015 1:01:20 GMT
No matter what you're going to be using it for, I'd suggest getting a laptop with Windows 8 (which you'll be able to upgrade to Windows 10 for free pretty soon, if you want to). There are a lot of what's called "hybrid laptops" or "2-in-1 laptops" on the market right now and with Windows 10 coming out soon there are going to be more to choose from and they're possibly going to become cheaper very soon as well.
In case you've never heard of it before, a hybrid laptop is a regular laptop with a screen that either folds completely over, so you can stand it up like a tablet, or even remove the screen completely and literally use it as a tablet with a full on touch screen. Since it's Windows based you won't have any trouble with lacking Java support and you get the best of both worlds. The full functionality of a laptop when the screen is docked and the convenience of a tablet when it's not.
A little Googling told me that you can get a good hybrid/2-in-1 laptop for around $600 - $2,000, depending on what you want it to do. According to most tests I've found, the Microsoft Surface Pro 3 is the best one, but it's also a little pricey and might be able to do more than you need it to. Acer, Asus and Lenovo (Lenovo seems to have the biggest selection) all make cheaper ones. Depending on what you want to use it for, you might want to tread cautiously though. Many models don't have an optical drive and a few are WiFi only, so if you want to be able to connect it to your network via ethernet cable, that's something you should be asking about at the store/looking for on the web before buying.
A friend of mine just bought the Asus Transformer Book T200 and is very happy with it. He's a truck driver and primarily uses it to surf the web, read and write email and watch movies when he's on long trips. The only downside with this model, compared to other, more expensive ones, is that the display isn't in full HD. It still gives a good, crisp picture though and at only around $550 it's probably the cheapest of the best.
I believe there's more future in this design than in real tablets. As I've said many times before, I don't know if the tablet is an underdeveloped concept, or the smart phone just evolved faster than anyone anticipated when they started making tablets, but at this point, tablets are more or less just overgrown smart phones. There's very little you can do with a tablet that you can't do with your phone these days (besides better being able to see stuff on the bigger screen). Many people - myself included - were hoping the tablet would be more of a smart phone/laptop crossover than it ended up being. We may finally be getting that now with these hybrids.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Jun 26, 2015 14:35:03 GMT
Found one!
Apparently the reason all the Windows tablets I was finding were so expensive was that everyone's pushing the ones that are basically hybrids that you have to buy your own keyboard for. Changing my search parameters turned up some more reasonably-priced Windows tablets ... and because Best Buy forgot to change out their sale tags, I got an 8" tablet with Win8.1 for $80. I'm having to order a case for it, all they had out on display was iPad cases, and I won't be carrying it anywhere until I get that case, but I've done some experimenting with it and it should do everything I want.
I'm trying to decide if I want to reserve a Win10 upgrade for the tablet, or wait and see how Win10 does on my laptop first. With Microsoft's approach of "use the home version to beta-test all the updates before sending them to Pro users", keeping 8.1 on something might be a good backup.
OziRiS, if I were replacing my laptop I'd go with a two-in-one. But since my current laptop is only a year old and running great, I couldn't justify the expense.
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 26, 2015 17:48:51 GMT
I would personally stick with the laptop either way. I can't really picture a situation where I'd want or need to detatch the screen, so I'd probably end up leaving it docked all the time anyway.
Just thought I'd mention it, since you do seem to have that need and I didn't know if you were aware of the hybrids/2-in-1's.
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Post by silverdragon on Jun 27, 2015 7:43:13 GMT
Just a Note, Norton has announced it will "Very son" be pushing through an update that makes its software viable on Win-10. As in, on loading the win-8 version, when you upgrade to win10, the software will automatically (WITH notification) load up the update to win-10 for its self, as soon as you run the new O/S.
I expect other anti-nasty software packages to be doing the exact same, so look out for notifications on your own software.
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Post by silverdragon on Jun 27, 2015 7:50:30 GMT
Follow my advice elsewhere [Extensive post on this thread... citadelofmyths.freeforums.net/thread/1532/free-upgrade-windows-10 ] to do a full backup and clean up before you make a save point and well before you update to win-10. Make backups to external sources, make a recovery disk of win-8, put all you personal data on an external drive backup, and when you do the update, do that all again, with the recovery disks "Verified", in fact, do a recovery test of both the Win-8 and Win-10 recovery disks to make sure they work. Also make a note of all sources for third party software. Check that site to make sure they have win-10 compatibility upgrades, and can you live without them if they dont.
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