|
|
Post by ironhold on Jul 24, 2015 11:54:30 GMT
This thread is for myths from the G. I. Joe & Action Force franchises (et al). "Arise, Serpentor, Arise!" Pt. 4(original US air date: 18 September 1986)Sgt. Slaughter has been captured and thrown into a holding cell. Given that he's had much of his DNA forcibly extracted to help create a new super-soldier, the bad guys believe that he'll be unconscious for days due to how torturous the process was. As a result, aside from a basic security camera no one is really watching him. Instead, he manages to regain consciousness within a few hours. Upon discovering that the door to his holding cell is affixed to the wall by screws, he uses his thumb nail as a crude screwdriver. He thus succeeds in unscrewing the holding cell door, enabling him to simply walk right on out. Could a human thumb nail be used as a screwdriver in an emergency situation? How much strain could it handle before breaking? |
|
|
|
Post by oscardeuce on Aug 6, 2015 14:29:01 GMT
Sgt. Slaughter ain't human....  |
|
|
|
Post by the light works on Aug 6, 2015 16:40:10 GMT
mine can loosen the cover screw on an outlet if it is not torqued too tightly. too tightly being defined as tool tight. it would be interesting to know a torque rating, but I don't know if it could make a show.
|
|
|
|
Post by ironhold on Dec 30, 2016 11:53:27 GMT
"Joes' Night Out"(Original US air date: 10 November 1986)Marine infantryman Leatherneck, Navy SEAL Wet-Suit, and communications trooper Dial-Tone have gotten passes to go into town, and so take their dates to a popular new nightclub. It turns out, however, that this nightclub is an elaborate trap set up by terrorist group Cobra; the whole thing is in fact a facade built on top of a rocket, and when the club hits maximum occupancy it's blasted into space. Cobra then declares that if the world wants the hostages back, he must receive the plans for a new fuel-efficient engine. If any effort is made to rescue everyone, he'll blow the rocket remotely. This forces the Joes on board to space walk in order to remove the explosives. A refrigerator is hollowed out and used as an improvised air lock, with a type of paste used to seal it to the hole in the wall. Garbage bags, a fish bowl, and some sort of tape are used to create a space suit. Cans of soda, meanwhile, are used for propulsion. So the question is - how well would any of this work? It's actually a plot point that the Joes must hold their breath when they're outside, as they have no oxygen to support them.
|
|
|
|
Post by GTCGreg on Dec 30, 2016 15:10:25 GMT
They extracted all his DNA and your myth is "can you use a thumbnail as a screwdriver"?
Maybe the myth should be that in fantasyland, anything is possible.
|
|
|
|
Post by the light works on Dec 30, 2016 15:17:02 GMT
I think the summary on this one would be "you could theoretically create perfect conditions for this"
by which I mean it wouldn't work with off-the-shelf stuff.
|
|
|
|
Post by ironhold on Dec 31, 2016 5:02:15 GMT
They extracted all his DNA and your myth is "can you use a thumbnail as a screwdriver"? Maybe the myth should be that in fantasyland, anything is possible. "Give them the impossible, but not the implausible" - old writer's adage. The cartoon had already drifted so far into science fiction territory by the end of the 1985 season that cloning and such wasn't off the table. |
|
|
|
Post by ironhold on Jul 4, 2017 10:02:55 GMT
Since this is just a snippet, it should be fair use under US law -
This is the opening sequence to the original 1987 film, which would have been a theatrical release had the Transformers and My Little Pony films not flopped. The premise is that terrorist outfit Cobra is planning to destroy the Statue of Liberty, but the Joe team has been alerted and so has a garrison force in place to stop it.
Possible myths just from this sequence:
1. A Cobra commando goes after a news crew that's in the way. Instead of punching the crew members, however, he punches their camera. He hits it right in the lens, smashing the front part of it. This is a 1980s-era television camera, but newer models could also be tested.
2. The pilot of a Firebat interceptor jet flies too close to the Statue of Liberty, allowing mountain terrain specialist Alpine to hook its wing with his grappling hook launcher. The launcher retracts the cable, bringing him right up to the cockpit... at which point he shatters the canopy glass by punching it. A fellow Joe in a VTOL craft retrieves him, leaving the Firebat pilot to bail because he can't see through the cracked canopy glass.
3. Joe first sergeant Duke and Cobra Commander are fighting atop the Statue of Liberty when Duke lands a punch that sends Cobra Commander over the edge. Cobra Commander slams chest-first into a glass-topped VTOL craft known as a Flight Pod (no, I don't know how they'd work, either) that appears to be located waist-high on the Statue, but doesn't seem to be any worse for wear from either the fall or impact.
4. Anti-tank specialist Bazooka is forced into a hasty effort to fend off a series of combat hydrofoil that are approaching Ellis Island (on a low-resolution monitor, it'll almost look like he's been tripped when he's actually going prone). His effort is so hasty that naval commando Shipwreck (who appears poised to try and fight them off with just a pistol) has his hat blown off by the wash from the rocket as it passes by him; other than the shock, however, he appears to be fine.
|
|
|
|
Post by ironhold on Oct 25, 2017 19:35:06 GMT
www.joeguide.com/summaries/cobras_candidate/"Cobra's Candidate", original US air date 11 October 1985 This is one of the more infamous episodes of the original series, due in large part to the incredibly poor writing. The premise is simple: when local law enforcement is unable to control a youth gang that has been rampaging through a large city, a squad of soldiers is sent to serve as bodyguard for one of the candidates in an upcoming mayoral election. This is *not* the most implausible part of the episode. No, one of the more implausible parts comes when three of the squad members are captured. The squad - which contains a trained falconer whose bird is scouting ahead - goes up a fire escape ladder to chase after some fleeing gang bangers. Thing is, members of a mercenary unit are waiting in ambush for them. The ambush? The three mercenaries have somehow managed to get military-grade ATVs on the roof of an urban apartment building in broad daylight. When the soldiers go up the escape, the mercenaries jump their ATVs without ramps from the building they're on to the building the soldiers are climbing up, in the process arranging it so that the rear wheels on their ATVs each clip the top of the ladder as they land. This weakens the ladder so much that when the mercenaries open fire on it, the ladder collapses. Of course, the three soldiers haven't done anything to try and climb back down or dodge, and so they're buried under the rubble when the ladder gives away and collapses on them. So - 1A. Could heavy ATVs like that be hauled up to a rooftop without anyone noticing? 1B. Could a rooftop like that support the weight? 2. Could they jump as depicted without ramps? 3. Would the people on the ladder have had time to bail?
|
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on Oct 26, 2017 8:18:13 GMT
1, no, 2, no, 3, no.
2, a force in motion stays in motion unless something acts upon it.
In a straight line.
To get a deflection in that straight line, you would have to compress the suspension, and then release suddenly, to get a push upwards, and you need that push upwards to counteract the gravity acting downwards. Thats how the ramps work.
The clipping of the ladder part is a one-in-a-million, because get that wrong, and that ladder will impede progress, and the atv drops like a sack of bricks.
I call BS on the whole story.
BTW, ATV aint light, you need a crane, and lift capability of at least a couple of ton to lean outwards with the load to get over the roof.
|
|
|
|
Post by ironhold on Oct 26, 2017 16:15:47 GMT
Hence why it's generally regarded as one of the worst episodes.
|
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on Oct 28, 2017 9:01:50 GMT
One of the joys of kiddies shows like this is they challenge a lot of things.
Its supposed to encourage the kids to challenge straight back.
Unfortunately you then end up with programs like jackass, because "what could possibly go wrong", and people get hurt.
But then again, what would cartoons be like if Wiley Coyote had to immediately fall down when going over the cliff edge without the obligatory shot of him holding a placard saying "HELP ! " and then his head being left as his body stretches away at his neck first?..
|
|
|
|
Post by the light works on Oct 28, 2017 11:23:57 GMT
One of the joys of kiddies shows like this is they challenge a lot of things. Its supposed to encourage the kids to challenge straight back. Unfortunately you then end up with programs like jackass, because "what could possibly go wrong", and people get hurt. But then again, what would cartoons be like if Wiley Coyote had to immediately fall down when going over the cliff edge without the obligatory shot of him holding a placard saying "HELP ! " and then his head being left as his body stretches away at his neck first?.. the difference being that there was an expectation that looney tunes would be violating the laws of physics for cheap laughs. |
|
|
|
Post by ironhold on Oct 28, 2017 15:40:04 GMT
One of the joys of kiddies shows like this is they challenge a lot of things. Its supposed to encourage the kids to challenge straight back. Unfortunately you then end up with programs like jackass, because "what could possibly go wrong", and people get hurt. But then again, what would cartoons be like if Wiley Coyote had to immediately fall down when going over the cliff edge without the obligatory shot of him holding a placard saying "HELP ! " and then his head being left as his body stretches away at his neck first?.. the difference being that there was an expectation that looney tunes would be violating the laws of physics for cheap laughs. In this instance, the writers violated the laws of physics as an excuse to sideline the male cast members, that way the female cast members could have the spotlight. ...Which is the other reason why this particular episode is not fondly remembered: the writers were so busy trying to push a "girl power" bit that everything else was secondary. |
|
|
|
Post by ironhold on Dec 3, 2017 4:08:37 GMT
www.joeguide.com/summaries/sink_the_montana/"Sink The Montana", original US air date 29 September 1986 The episode was re-run on US TV this morning, which is why I'm looking at it. The admiral in charge of the Montana, a WWII-era battleship, has chosen to defect and take his ship with him rather than see it decommissioned and scrapped. In light of the ship's vulnerabilities to modern-day aircraft and light naval craft, Cobra has outfitted it with a "pulse modulator" that damages or even fries modern-day electronics. This is rather clearly demonstrated when the Joe team sends a flight of Conquest multi-role fighter jets and WHALE combat hovercraft out after it; the modulator renders the guidance systems on the missiles they've all fired inert before disabling the vehicles' electronics systems themselves. The Montana, meanwhile, still has so much of her older systems in place that she's unaffected by her own device. In an act of desperation, General Hawk gets a few dozen volunteers (including several named characters who hail from the Navy and Coast Guard) to help him ready the USS Constitution for combat duty. The logic behind it is that as an all-wood ship, she's the only vessel on "active" status that's immune to the effects of the modulator. If Hawk can get the Constitution close enough, he can launch commandos to seize the Montana. Since Hawk doesn't have authorization for this, he decides to straight-up airlift the Constitution to a staging area, courtesy of four multi-role lift aircraft known as Tomahawks. Images: www.joeguide.com/summaries/sink_the_montana/images/stm159.jpgwww.joeguide.com/summaries/sink_the_montana/images/stm164.jpgwww.joeguide.com/summaries/sink_the_montana/images/stm165.jpgwww.joeguide.com/summaries/sink_the_montana/images/stm169.jpgThe Tomahawks are twin-rotors like the real-life Chinook family, but they're significantly smaller; most depictions only have them as big enough to hold a squad of combat infantry (or two teams of commandos), making them more like Blackhawks in size. Despite this, as we can see, the Joes are able to airlift the Constitution using only four of them. Pretty sure that there's no way anything like this can be tested IRL, but four medium-lift helicopters trying to airlift a 1700s warship with a crew on board?
|
|
|
|
Post by mrfatso on Dec 3, 2017 11:34:06 GMT
Not a chance HMS Victory has a displacement of 3500 tons and although USS Constitution is smaller she must still way more than the lift capacity of 4 twin rotor medium lift helicopters.
A Chinoock can only carry around 12 tons maximum.
And that's leaving aside the issues of the keel of a the USS Consitution Being damaged due to the stress of being lifted out of the water in a manner it's not used to.
|
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on Dec 3, 2017 12:00:43 GMT
Not a chance HMS Victory has a displacement of 3500 tons and although USS Constitution is smaller she must still way more than the lift capacity of 4 twin rotor medium lift helicopters. A Chinoock can only carry around 12 tons maximum. Think Marvel Universe, and the big aircraft carrier that flies its self. As seen when Ironman has to bump start one of the rotors as well. If it was at all possible to fly a ship like that, then they would. Unfortunately, the engines of a ship like that are too big even for the Aeroflot Guppy to fly with, in truth, a whole engine from any sizeable ship over 1,000 tons, is so huge, not even I could transport one on an STGO wagon, even if they used "wheels", the muti-use wheeled thing they move heavy objects with. Think of the lode capacity of a Atriculated wagon on a road... its more than a heavy lift helicopter can take, even a heavy heavy lift one, a Truck can carry more under STGO Overweight rules. In truth, on the size of a battleship, think of a Saturn Five, or even a fully loaded space shuttle?.. lighter, but how much thrust is needed to get one airborn?. In real life, I bet a Chinook would sweat trying to lift the anchors of a ship of that size, add in the full length of chain required to anchor that ship, that Chinook would break its own landing gear if it were done on the ground. To get enough lift to raise a battleship is impossible, as there isnt enough airspace around the ship to fly enough helicopters to get that lift. And then the down-wash... anyone thinking that it would just create a hole in the water and push all the water out from underneath?.. And whilst doing that, strip the decks of anything not welded to the deck. One final nail in the coffin. Battleships spines are built to ride over the top of waves to prevent buckling, as in the trough between waves, of one big wave, you would have a lot of unsupported weight. Even so, what size of strap do you think you would need to crane one out of the water?. And no, there isnt anything on deck that could take the strain of anything like the weight that would be suspended from it if it were to be suspended from "just four ropes." In the world of sci-fi, anything is possible, in the real world?. Interesting questions, take the Chinook, or even an Osprey, whatever you can get that has the carrying capacity, take a battleship of that size, and ask the questions, how many trips would it take to get all the crew off board is they had to do an emergency evacuation by air?.. upsize that to all the crew AND personal possessions, then think all the kit, how-may-tons of food, medical equipment, arms, fuel, ..... |
|
|
|
Post by the light works on Dec 3, 2017 15:26:19 GMT
Not a chance HMS Victory has a displacement of 3500 tons and although USS Constitution is smaller she must still way more than the lift capacity of 4 twin rotor medium lift helicopters. A Chinoock can only carry around 12 tons maximum. Think Marvel Universe, and the big aircraft carrier that flies its self. As seen when Ironman has to bump start one of the rotors as well. If it was at all possible to fly a ship like that, then they would. Unfortunately, the engines of a ship like that are too big even for the Aeroflot Guppy to fly with, in truth, a whole engine from any sizeable ship over 1,000 tons, is so huge, not even I could transport one on an STGO wagon, even if they used "wheels", the muti-use wheeled thing they move heavy objects with. Think of the lode capacity of a Atriculated wagon on a road... its more than a heavy lift helicopter can take, even a heavy heavy lift one, a Truck can carry more under STGO Overweight rules. In truth, on the size of a battleship, think of a Saturn Five, or even a fully loaded space shuttle?.. lighter, but how much thrust is needed to get one airborn?. In real life, I bet a Chinook would sweat trying to lift the anchors of a ship of that size, add in the full length of chain required to anchor that ship, that Chinook would break its own landing gear if it were done on the ground. To get enough lift to raise a battleship is impossible, as there isnt enough airspace around the ship to fly enough helicopters to get that lift. And then the down-wash... anyone thinking that it would just create a hole in the water and push all the water out from underneath?.. And whilst doing that, strip the decks of anything not welded to the deck. One final nail in the coffin. Battleships spines are built to ride over the top of waves to prevent buckling, as in the trough between waves, of one big wave, you would have a lot of unsupported weight. Even so, what size of strap do you think you would need to crane one out of the water?. And no, there isnt anything on deck that could take the strain of anything like the weight that would be suspended from it if it were to be suspended from "just four ropes." In the world of sci-fi, anything is possible, in the real world?. Interesting questions, take the Chinook, or even an Osprey, whatever you can get that has the carrying capacity, take a battleship of that size, and ask the questions, how many trips would it take to get all the crew off board is they had to do an emergency evacuation by air?.. upsize that to all the crew AND personal possessions, then think all the kit, how-may-tons of food, medical equipment, arms, fuel, ..... you have gotten confused. THIS is the one they airlifted with four miniature flying bananas.  and I have seen video of attempts to coordinate multiple helicopters to lift something. it seems to not work out well in real life. pilots don't seem to have the ability to coordinate like the flight control module of a drone does. |
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on Dec 4, 2017 8:51:33 GMT
Ok, so scrap engines... but how many ton of Guns on that thing?.
|
|
|
|
Post by the light works on Dec 4, 2017 15:21:54 GMT
Ok, so scrap engines... but how many ton of Guns on that thing?. old ironsides displaces 2200 tons. the factor nobody mentioned was the possibility of getting close enough to a battleship to transfer commandos. there's a lot more to getting close to a battleship than not having your GPS tell you that you are on the wrong side of it. |
|
