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Post by silverdragon on Sept 6, 2015 11:37:13 GMT
Can RAW egg whites be used as an effective BURN treatment?. This is something I have heard, and here it is, I dont know. one source urbanlegends.about.com/od/medical/a/Egg-Whites-For-Burns.htmOf course, if you have a regular first aid kit with something proven as medical, yeah, go get that. Conventional wisdom, use plenty of cool water.... If you dont have that to hand?... The medical world assumes that we all have a fully stocked Medical kit that weighs in at a few pounds to hand for all emergencies at all times. Case in point, I am out doing some camping, I am heading for a camp site, I have limited water, I know I will get more at the next camp site, but I do have a cool bag with food in it.... If you DONT have that, if you DONT have copious amounts of cool fresh water to hand, if you do have, however, a fridge full of various things, like a box of eggs, are egg whites any better than anything else?... Like of you have a fridge and a huge bottle of milk, eggs or milk?... or Butter?.. My Gran used to swear by Butter for burns. As a short-term remedy until you can get to medical treatment or paramedics arrive, whats good, whats definite do NOT do.
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 7, 2015 6:38:20 GMT
I like this one. It's old school Mythbusters And it's true, as you say, that in an emergency when you don't have a good supply of cold water, one might try other cold things and eggs could be one of those things, although if it's a minor burn (1st degree), I might just take something solid and cold to hold against the burn, instead of slathering some sort of substance all over it. As with your example of the butter, for instance, I wouldn't apply the butter to the burn, but just hold the cold package directly on it. Either way, there's a solid claim that can be tested here: Collagen in egg whites help heal burn wounds fast and effectively, leaving behind almost no trace that there was a burn at all. As for testing, the guys have put their bodies on the line for science before and they would have to again, because dead skin can't heal, so trying this on a slab of pig won't do anything. My suggestion would be to go to a tattoo parlor that does branding, which is intentional burning of the skin to make scar patterns for "cosmetic reasons" (yeah, I don't get it, but then again, I don't get why people want tattoos or piercings either...) One of them could have a small "MB" or something like that branded on each arm. One burn is treated with the recommended salves and antiseptics that are normally used when people have this done and the other burn treated with egg whites, as per the myth. A good way to ensure that this doesn't go bad is to temporarily employ the services of a burn ward nurse to check the wounds daily and pull the plug on the test if there are signs of anything serious, like an infection. This is also the reason I'm suggesting they go to someone who does branding professionally. If they do it themselves in the shop, they could get all kinds of contaminants in there that could both be bad for their health and skew the results. A professional brander would have sterile equipment, ensuring that the only variable that could potentially mess it up is the egg white. That ensures they're not going to hear, "you did it wrong, because you got X into the wound" and that the cause of any problems is easily identifiable and treatable. As for the collagen claim, data on the amount and type of collagen in egg whites has probably been studied extensively and would be readily available, making it relatively easy to find information to splash on the screen in the new format, or to have Adam or Jamie explain to camera. Furthermore, this is something that could easily be tested alongside another myth, as the bits to camera on this would only involve the actual branding, applying the treatments and checking the wounds once or twice a day. In between checking the wounds, they could just be going about daily business.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 7, 2015 8:08:23 GMT
Ouch... actually burn yourself in the name of science... on PURPOSE?... more than missing an eyebrow?... Yeah, but, Volunteers first..
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 7, 2015 13:20:53 GMT
Ouch... actually burn yourself in the name of science... on PURPOSE?... more than missing an eyebrow?... Yeah, but, Volunteers first.. How else would you test it? Dead skin can't heal.
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Post by the light works on Sept 7, 2015 13:55:41 GMT
the basic rule is no oils on a burn. after the temperatures match up, it becomes insulation. you want something significantly cool, but not cold enough to cause frostbite, with a lot of thermal mass.
as for volunteers, count me out. I've given myself localized full thickness burns in the past - and I'm glad they DIDN'T scar.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 8, 2015 6:02:11 GMT
Ouch... actually burn yourself in the name of science... on PURPOSE?... more than missing an eyebrow?... Yeah, but, Volunteers first.. How else would you test it? Dead skin can't heal. Good point. How abouts get some medical advice first?...
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 8, 2015 7:10:58 GMT
How else would you test it? Dead skin can't heal. Good point. How abouts get some medical advice first?... Probably not a bad idea ADDENDUM:I was thinking for the tiniest little moment that they could just go to a cattle ranch or pig farm where they brand the animals and test it on cattle or pigs that were slated for branding anyway, but I see two problems with that. 1: Does anyone even do that anymore? Don't most farmers/ranchers use plastic ear tags these days? 2: It's one thing to subject a volounteering human being to that, but an innocent animal that can't even ask for help if the "remedy" doesn't help or actually makes it worse? Branding is inhumane enough as it is. I don't see a good reason to subject the animals to more unnecessary pain and suffering.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 8, 2015 7:56:38 GMT
Animal testing, the question would be can they tell you if it eases the pain?... obviously no, so we are in agreement. Can they tell you which is better between X and Y?. So no, you cant test on animals in the first place, because they cant tell you the experience, so thankfully, animal testing is out from the start?...
And I want to make it clear thats how I want it anyway, I disagree with harming animals in that way. And yes, plastic ear tags are much safer and less painful, just like getting a human ear pierced. (If done right anyway...?..)
Human volunteer testing, small scale?... as in a TINY piece of skin?... is it any worse than getting a tattoo?... I Dont Know.
But the science first, if there is a known medical reason, such as positive proof that egg whites would bred bacteria right from the start, we have a conclusion ....
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 8, 2015 9:02:38 GMT
Agreed
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Post by the light works on Sept 8, 2015 13:53:58 GMT
in collecting firewood yesterday, I barked a shin, and I thought about volunteering to test the healing part of the myth, but I realized that: A: I didn't have a control injury B: I don't have any faith that the healing process scavenges material from external application C: that would waste several eggs.
so instead I am applying the egg whites internally, and the injury will heal as it heals. sorry.
edit: the major part of the realization is that B is the key component of the myth, when talking about egg whites containing collagen.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 9, 2015 5:18:08 GMT
There are rumours that Elastoplast include chemicals in their sticky plasters that aid the scabbing process?..
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Post by the light works on Sept 9, 2015 5:23:26 GMT
There are rumours that Elastoplast include chemicals in their sticky plasters that aid the scabbing process?.. there are topical coagulants. military field dressings use them. the most common ones are not egg white based. don't use them if you have a shellfish allergy.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 9, 2015 6:33:02 GMT
There are rumours that Elastoplast include chemicals in their sticky plasters that aid the scabbing process?.. there are topical coagulants. military field dressings use them. the most common ones are not egg white based. don't use them if you have a shellfish allergy. So what are the alternatives?... Asprin is the bark of a tree, and on that score, there are plenty of natures remedies for illnesses, so, experimentation is needed to find out what else works. A Cool egg out of a cold fridge cools a burn.... you can see where that one came from... But do the egg whites have anything ELSE in them we dont know?... So you have to question, who was the first to chew the bark of that tree and found out it had pain relieving properties?... They had to start somewhere.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 9, 2015 8:17:49 GMT
I need to add this with a DO NOT TRY THIS ANYWHERE tag... Hydrogen Peroxide. Hair bleach....
It has been rumoured that it can help wounds heal... NO IT DOES NOT. It may cause cellular damage and in truth extend the healing process...
Just before anyone goes experimenting.... Good idea to check here first, or search online, before you do try anything else that may be rumoured eh?...
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 9, 2015 9:07:36 GMT
I need to add this with a DO NOT TRY THIS ANYWHERE tag... Hydrogen Peroxide. Hair bleach.... It has been rumoured that it can help wounds heal... NO IT DOES NOT. It may cause cellular damage and in truth extend the healing process... Just before anyone goes experimenting.... Good idea to check here first, or search online, before you do try anything else that may be rumoured eh?... Hydrogen peroxide in a diluted solution (3% or less) is used to clean wounds. I have a bottle sitting in my medicine cabinet. It doesn't help wounds heal, but it kills a lot of bacteria that would otherwise lead to infection.
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Post by the light works on Sept 9, 2015 13:42:24 GMT
I need to add this with a DO NOT TRY THIS ANYWHERE tag... Hydrogen Peroxide. Hair bleach.... It has been rumoured that it can help wounds heal... NO IT DOES NOT. It may cause cellular damage and in truth extend the healing process... Just before anyone goes experimenting.... Good idea to check here first, or search online, before you do try anything else that may be rumoured eh?... Hydrogen peroxide in a diluted solution (3% or less) is used to clean wounds. I have a bottle sitting in my medicine cabinet. It doesn't help wounds heal, but it kills a lot of bacteria that would otherwise lead to infection. hydrogen peroxide disinfects the wound by killing any living cells it comes into contact with.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 10, 2015 5:59:36 GMT
Wound cleaner may contain... and as you say, its 3%. What is the concentration of heir bleach?. I believe the rumour started by some fool noticing the ingredients and starting "Well more is better" and going for the strongest solution he could find?...
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