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Post by WhutScreenName on Nov 2, 2015 15:44:10 GMT
Last night, during Sunday Night Football, 2 undefeated teams played each other, Green Bay Packers at Denver Bronco's. Sadly for me, my Packers decided not to show up, on either offence or defense. It was one of the WORST games I've ever seen. Denver (particularly Payton Manning) shut up their critics in a big way, really making a statement.
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Post by OziRiS on Nov 2, 2015 20:41:05 GMT
Last night, during Sunday Night Football, 2 undefeated teams played each other, Green Bay Packers at Denver Bronco's. Sadly for me, my Packers decided not to show up, on either offence or defense. It was one of the WORST games I've ever seen. Denver (particularly Payton Manning) shut up their critics in a big way, really making a statement. Love him or hate him, you can't deny that Peyton Manning is one of the greatest to ever play the game. People will remember him and Tom Brady long after they've forgotten about Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger and whoever else has been doing well in the same timeframe. I just hope for both of them that they quit while they're still ahead, instead of pulling a Favre late in their careers. That man lost a lot of respect because of his last two seasons, which is a shame concidering he could have retired from the Packers and been remembered purely as one of the all time greats. I try to remember him like that, but those catastrophic last seasons he had with the Viks and Jets just keep popping up whenever I think of him.
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Post by WhutScreenName on Nov 2, 2015 20:55:35 GMT
Yeah, I think you are NOT alone with how you think of Favre... and it's sad. He really is one of the greats, and it's right that Green Bay is retiring his number on Thanksgiving day. But there will always be some bitterness with folks (myself included) because of the way he left.
And while I agree with you on QB's, you can't leave Aaron Rodgers out of that list. It's extremely rare for a team to have a future hall of fame QB followed up with another. Rodgers will go down as one of the greats. Heck, last night the announcers (I can't remember which one) even commented that Rodgers was better than Brady. He wasn't insulting Brady, he was pointing out just how good Rodgers is.
If ever there was doubt about Payton playing this year, he proved last night that there shouldn't have been. I certainly didn't want Denver to win, but they did it in the best way possible, by outplaying their opponent
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Nov 2, 2015 20:56:22 GMT
Last night, during Sunday Night Football, 2 undefeated teams played each other, Green Bay Packers at Denver Bronco's. Sadly for me, my Packers decided not to show up, on either offence or defense. It was one of the WORST games I've ever seen. Denver (particularly Payton Manning) shut up their critics in a big way, really making a statement. Love him or hate him, you can't deny that Peyton Manning is one of the greatest to ever play the game. People will remember him and Tom Brady long after they've forgotten about Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger and whoever else has been doing well in the same timeframe. I just hope for both of them that they quit while they're still ahead, instead of pulling a Favre late in their careers. That man lost a lot of respect because of his last two seasons, which is a shame concidering he could have retired from the Packers and been remembered purely as one of the all time greats. I try to remember him like that, but those catastrophic last seasons he had with the Viks and Jets just keep popping up whenever I think of him. There is no doubt that Peyton Manning is one of the best quarterbacks (QB) in pro football right now. Unfortunately, I am a NY Giants fan and we have his little brother Eli, who can be infuriating at times. Don't get me wrong he is often a great QB; but, too often, fans are left banging their heads pondering 'Why the hell did he do that??' The guy gets stuck in his own head and doesn't think a play through, which results in too many interceptions. Yes, Eli has won two Super Bowls (Peyton only 1 win on 3 tries) - but, it doesn't negate what goes wrong the rest of the time...
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Post by OziRiS on Nov 2, 2015 21:56:41 GMT
Yeah, I think you are NOT alone with how you think of Favre... and it's sad. He really is one of the greats, and it's right that Green Bay is retiring his number on Thanksgiving day. But there will always be some bitterness with folks (myself included) because of the way he left. And while I agree with you on QB's, you can't leave Aaron Rodgers out of that list. It's extremely rare for a team to have a future hall of fame QB followed up with another. Rodgers will go down as one of the greats. Heck, last night the announcers (I can't remember which one) even commented that Rodgers was better than Brady. He wasn't insulting Brady, he was pointing out just how good Rodgers is. If ever there was doubt about Payton playing this year, he proved last night that there shouldn't have been. I certainly didn't want Denver to win, but they did it in the best way possible, by outplaying their opponent I'm not negating Rogers in any way. What I meant to say was there are eras in the NFL. Brady, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Brees, Bulger and so on were all drafted at roughly the same time and got a good start right away, so those are the ones I see as Manning's contemporaries. Rodgers didn't get his real start until after Favre was gone, so he spent a couple of years on the bench and didn't make his mark in the same period. Yes, Rodgers was drafted the year after Rivers, so tehcnically he's from that era, but Rivers got his chance as a starter that year. Rodgers didn't get his shot until 3 years later in 2008, so I see him as part of a different era. To me, he's more part of the same one as Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez and Sam Bradford. Granted, when you look at it like that, he didn't have much competition from his contemporaries, but there you go. To me at least, the others I've mentioned have been head to head while they were coming up. Rodgers came in when the others were already well established. That doesn't mean I'm taking anything away from him. He's just as good as any of those guys. It just means I don't see him as part of the same era of QBs.
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Post by OziRiS on Nov 2, 2015 22:14:18 GMT
Love him or hate him, you can't deny that Peyton Manning is one of the greatest to ever play the game. People will remember him and Tom Brady long after they've forgotten about Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger and whoever else has been doing well in the same timeframe. I just hope for both of them that they quit while they're still ahead, instead of pulling a Favre late in their careers. That man lost a lot of respect because of his last two seasons, which is a shame concidering he could have retired from the Packers and been remembered purely as one of the all time greats. I try to remember him like that, but those catastrophic last seasons he had with the Viks and Jets just keep popping up whenever I think of him. There is no doubt that Peyton Manning is one of the best quarterbacks (QB) in pro football right now. Unfortunately, I am a NY Giants fan and we have his little brother Eli, who can be infuriating at times. Don't get me wrong he is often a great QB; but, too often, fans are left banging their heads pondering 'Why the hell did he do that??' The guy gets stuck in his own head and doesn't think a play through, which results in too many interceptions. Yes, Eli has won two Super Bowls (Peyton only 1 win on 3 tries) - but, it doesn't negate what goes wrong the rest of the time... Eli isn't as consistent as his older brother, that's for sure, but you still can't take away from him that he's two for two when it comes to championships, while his brother's only one for three. Not to mention Eli won both of his against Brady, the first one being the same year the Pats went undefeated. Until they met Eli and the Giants in the Super Bowl. The one championship Peyton took was against the Bears, a team that - if you ask me - didn't have an offense worth mentioning at the time and only got to the Super Bowl because of Brian Urlacher and the rest of their defense. I don't even remember who was their QB at the time. The second time around he lost it to the Saints with Drew Brees at the helm and on his third try he was defeated by Russel Wilson and the Seahawks. Both those QBs are as good as Brady on their best day and Eli took him out twice.
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 3, 2015 8:25:03 GMT
FC United have got too good. FC United are the breakaway football team that "Fell out" with the rules imposed by the FA, so started a football team way way way down the leagues to get away from such rot. FC Untied are the breakaway team that used to me all Manchester United fans that got fed up with the commercialism of chequebook football so took it back to the roots..
They got promoted.
I now hear that even though the do NOT agree, they are being forced to play Monday Nights. In those leagues, they play weekends and Wednesdays, its an agreement all the teams like, as some are elsewhere fully employed people who only get to play at certain times, so playing on other nights becomes difficult. Unfortunately, if you get into the FA Cup playoffs, you get under the FA rules, and because of TV schedules, they need teams to play "Other nights" so the matches dont clash on tv.... Seventy THOUSAND quid for a team like that, the payoff to just play the match, in not something you can say no to, as its the running costs for the entire team for many many many months.
So now they are being forced to play a Monday night game.
Isnt this what they tried to get away from?..
And yes, the team themself agree with that. But they cant let 70,000 go begging....
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Post by OziRiS on Nov 3, 2015 13:32:04 GMT
FC United have got too good. FC United are the breakaway football team that "Fell out" with the rules imposed by the FA, so started a football team way way way down the leagues to get away from such rot. FC Untied are the breakaway team that used to me all Manchester United fans that got fed up with the commercialism of chequebook football so took it back to the roots.. They got promoted. I now hear that even though the do NOT agree, they are being forced to play Monday Nights. In those leagues, they play weekends and Wednesdays, its an agreement all the teams like, as some are elsewhere fully employed people who only get to play at certain times, so playing on other nights becomes difficult. Unfortunately, if you get into the FA Cup playoffs, you get under the FA rules, and because of TV schedules, they need teams to play "Other nights" so the matches dont clash on tv.... Seventy THOUSAND quid for a team like that, the payoff to just play the match, in not something you can say no to, as its the running costs for the entire team for many many many months. So now they are being forced to play a Monday night game. Isnt this what they tried to get away from?.. And yes, the team themself agree with that. But they cant let 70,000 go begging.... Of course they can. It's a choise. Choose to not play Monday nights and they don't get the £70,000. Choose to get the £70,000 and they have to play Monday nights. If they think the money is more important than their game schedule, then that's the choise they've made and they should stop complaining. They had a club before anyone offered them the money (a succesful one at that), so they were obviously doing fine without it.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Nov 3, 2015 15:46:04 GMT
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Post by kharnynb on Nov 3, 2015 16:02:30 GMT
there is some teams playing american football in europe, and they do have fans, it's not really popular though, for example it doesn't feature on any sports shows unless on all-day sports channels.
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Post by OziRiS on Nov 3, 2015 21:50:59 GMT
there is some teams playing american football in europe, and they do have fans, it's not really popular though, for example it doesn't feature on any sports shows unless on all-day sports channels. Not entirely true. The first time I was aware of a game being shown on Danish TV was Super Bowl XXXII back in 1998 (John Elway's last game with the Broncos). After it got just under a million viewers (which is A LOT in a country of 5 million), even though it was in the middle of the night on a Sunday and people had to get up to go to work the next morning, one Danish TV station obtained the rights to show two games every Sunday the following season and that's when I really started to get into the game. That station continued to air two games per week every season, consistently drawing between 150,000 to 300,000 viewers for regular season games and up to a million for the Super Bowl, until 2006 when another station picked outbid them for the rights. This time it moved from network TV to cable and it lost a lot of viewers, mainly because that one channel cost as much to subscribe to as the average full network TV package, which most people weren't willing to pay for. NFL games are still being broadcast on that cable channel and they've reduced the subscription price a little, but it's still very expensive and viewers are down to an average of just 50,000 for regular season games and around 200,000 for the Super Bowl because of it. I find alternative ways to follow the league these days, but they require more work than I'm willing to put in most of the time, so I rarely watch more than 5-10 games per season. Point is, at least in Denmark, the sport has been extremely popular for years and would quickly become as popular again if the games were moved back to network TV.
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 4, 2015 7:49:18 GMT
Have been watching it on and off since the late 90's... yes, we do "Get" it here, there are even some teams playing it, enough to make a small league.
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Post by mrfatso on Nov 4, 2015 11:08:59 GMT
Have been watching it on and off since the late 90's... yes, we do "Get" it here, there are even some teams playing it, enough to make a small league. They also play the 2 Wembley stadium games each year and get around 90,000 fans, but it is still a bit of a niche sport. Purely for some practical reasons, the Super Bowl for example often finishes 3.00-4.00 am on a Monday morning you have to be seriously intrested in it to stay up that late to watch it all live. There have been attempts in the past to create a Televised European league with teams like the London Monarchs, but after 2-3 years of poor attendances and viewing figures this venture folded. As a few one off special events with top teams as guests yes enough people will go to fill big stadiums. Similarly in March London Irish rugby union club are taking one of their home games to America, against my club Saracens , I think they are relying on the link to St Patrick's day to drum up extra fans. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34647359
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Nov 4, 2015 14:21:19 GMT
Have been watching it on and off since the late 90's... yes, we do "Get" it here, there are even some teams playing it, enough to make a small league. They also play the 2 Wembley stadium games each year and get around 90,000 fans, but it is still a bit of a niche sport. Purely for some practical reasons, the Super Bowl for example often finishes 3.00-4.00 am on a Monday morning you have to be seriously intrested in it to stay up that late to watch it all live. There have been attempts in the past to create a Televised European league with teams like the London Monarchs, but after 2-3 years of poor attendances and viewing figures this venture folded. As a few one off special events with top teams as guests yes enough people will go to fill big stadiums. Similarly in March London Irish rugby union club are taking one of their home games to America, against my club Saracens , I think they are relying on the link to St Patrick's day to drum up extra fans. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34647359As with NFL Football in Europe, rugby is a niche sport in the US. It exists. There are structured leagues. But, they are few and far between - mostly organized and sponsored by local bar/pubs. ESPN (cable sports station) will broadcast matches, but usually as filler and without much advertising to attract viewers. It is interesting to watch and quite exciting, though it is hard to find. I remember back in the 1990's when the NFL created the European League. There were the London Monarchs along with, I believe, 7 other teams in locations like Berlin & Amsterdam. In the end, it folded due to not being profitable enough for the NFL to keep it running. For more details - Wikipedia: NFL Europe
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Post by kharnynb on Nov 4, 2015 17:45:53 GMT
maybe denmark is special, but in germany, netherlands and finland, american football is filler material for the eurosport channels and nothing more.
I guess it all depends on the country, Finland has huge viewing numbers for icehockey, where as netherlands it doesn't seem to interest anyone outside of players and a few expats.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Nov 4, 2015 19:53:52 GMT
maybe denmark is special, but in germany, netherlands and finland, american football is filler material for the eurosport channels and nothing more. I guess it all depends on the country, Finland has huge viewing numbers for icehockey, where as netherlands it doesn't seem to interest anyone outside of players and a few expats. In the US, hockey & basketball games are filler after the baseball season has ended on nights that there are no football games (high school, college, or NFL).
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Post by the light works on Nov 4, 2015 20:34:32 GMT
maybe denmark is special, but in germany, netherlands and finland, american football is filler material for the eurosport channels and nothing more. I guess it all depends on the country, Finland has huge viewing numbers for icehockey, where as netherlands it doesn't seem to interest anyone outside of players and a few expats. In the US, hockey & basketball games are filler after the baseball season has ended on nights that there are no football games (high school, college, or NFL). in the US, sports seasons now overlap heavily. baseball basketball and football reign supreme, with horsepower-is-king varieties of racing holding their own preferred slot, and pretty much everything else being filler.
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Post by OziRiS on Nov 4, 2015 22:09:10 GMT
maybe denmark is special, but in germany, netherlands and finland, american football is filler material for the eurosport channels and nothing more. I guess it all depends on the country, Finland has huge viewing numbers for icehockey, where as netherlands it doesn't seem to interest anyone outside of players and a few expats. In the US, hockey & basketball games are filler after the baseball season has ended on nights that there are no football games (high school, college, or NFL). Baseball... Now THERE'S a game I'll never understand has become a popular spectator sport! It's fun to play, but holy crap it's boring to watch!!! Almost as boring as soccer and cricket, but only almost.
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Post by OziRiS on Nov 4, 2015 22:13:16 GMT
maybe denmark is special, but in germany, netherlands and finland, american football is filler material for the eurosport channels and nothing more. I guess it all depends on the country, Finland has huge viewing numbers for icehockey, where as netherlands it doesn't seem to interest anyone outside of players and a few expats. Yes, Denmark is special Hockey is slowly picking up here. It helps that we've had a couple of players in the NHL, but soccer and handball are still the two big ones. By the way, do you have any idea why handball has never become popular in Finland? It's huge in Sweden and Norway and used to be in Russia. Mostly because it's played indoors, making it great for colder countries, so you'd think Finland would be into that, seeing as it's one of the coldest nations in the world for most of the year.
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Post by the light works on Nov 4, 2015 22:31:00 GMT
In the US, hockey & basketball games are filler after the baseball season has ended on nights that there are no football games (high school, college, or NFL). Baseball... Now THERE'S a game I'll never understand has become a popular spectator sport! It's fun to play, but holy crap it's boring to watch!!! Almost as boring as soccer and cricket, but only almost. golf is still more boring to watch, but I'll actually watch it before I watch football, basketball, or baseball.
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