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Post by ironhold on Nov 19, 2015 4:48:01 GMT
Let's have this as a catch-all for anime & manga myths that don't involve long-running series (the kind that could support threads of their own).
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Kaze No Yojimbo, episode #14 -
A man named George Kodama arrives in a rural Japan in an effort to locate someone. He's informed that the person he's after left a long time ago, but before he can leave he's pulled into the middle of an underground war between two organized crime families that are trying to take over the town. Before too long, he finds himself employed by the front companies of both syndicates, making him a go-between of sorts.
In the episode, Kodama is informed that the two syndicates have called a truce. His services are no longer needed, and his presence is no longer wanted. Rather than leave, however, Kodama stays in order to continue his investigation. Because of this, someone is sent to assassinate him.
Kodama wears military-style dog tags; this is a plot point in the first two episodes, as the female lead finds them after he drops them. He's also shown as being quite athletic, and clearly knows how to handle himself in a fight. I've not seen the show all the way through yet, but to me this rather heavily implies that he spent time in the military at some point. Given this, it's no surprise that Kodama is able to discern that he has a tail.
Kodama makes a point to purchase a can of coffee from a vending machine, at which point he obviously walks into a park and enters the facility's public restroom. The assassin waits outside in order to strike Kodama with a pipe, only for Kodama to spring a trap of his own. When the assassin knows that he cannot win, he runs away.
Kodama responds by grabbing the can of coffee (which is still full) and throwing it at the assassin. He hits the assassin in the back of the head, and the force of the blow is enough to knock the assassin down.
[1] Could a person throw a full can of coffee with the level of accuracy Kodama displays, especially at a moving target?
[2] Could a blow from a full can of coffee be enough to knock a person down?
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 19, 2015 9:40:07 GMT
Dependant on the weight, of course...
But I am not surprised that such a surprise blow from a flying object could disable someone balance enough to cause them to trip and fall.
Especially if they are stupid enough to not expect that.
Knocked unconscious is questionable... from the can?.. I dont know, from falling and hitting head on ground or other object?.. plausible.
As a one-in-a-million shot, yes, quite possible.
As an "every time" shot, not so much, but if they have had training in the art of throwing to target, such as hand-egg American Football or Rugby players do, then quite plausible.....
But as a one-in-a-million, its a case of every time you try, you shorten those odds, so, for the sake of the film, it wouldnt be such a show if he missed?... so of course it works?...
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Post by ironhold on Nov 19, 2015 20:26:09 GMT
By coincidence, I was at the grocery store today and spotted some cans of Japanese coffee in the "international" foods section. One of the varieties was in a regular, everyday US-sized soda can (about 11 ounces), so that gives us a plausible metric for size and weight.
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Post by mrfatso on Nov 19, 2015 21:18:04 GMT
A soda sized can be thrown with quite a lot of force, I know from experience. I was shopping once when a kid was trying to shop lift, he was chased by shop security and started lobbing things to try to hit the guard. One of them missed and hit me in the shoulder, it brought out a nasty swelling.
It would have been enough to knock me off balance if it had hit my head I think.
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 20, 2015 8:52:43 GMT
Coffee BEANS or coffee powder...
One is a lot heavier than the other.
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Post by the light works on Nov 20, 2015 15:38:43 GMT
Coffee BEANS or coffee powder... One is a lot heavier than the other. I'm guessing it would be preground, but that's just a guess. |
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Post by ironhold on Nov 20, 2015 23:13:21 GMT
Coffee BEANS or coffee powder... One is a lot heavier than the other. I'm guessing it would be preground, but that's just a guess. Actual, brewed coffee. Over in Japan, you can get coffee, tea, juice, and other beverages in a can. They're often sold in vending machines for the sake of convenience, but some stores also stock them as well. |
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Post by the light works on Nov 21, 2015 1:23:20 GMT
I'm guessing it would be preground, but that's just a guess. Actual, brewed coffee. Over in Japan, you can get coffee, tea, juice, and other beverages in a can. They're often sold in vending machines for the sake of convenience, but some stores also stock them as well. okay, like you can get $tarbucks in bottles, here. a I recall Jamie's pop gun could put a canned beverage through a windshield... |
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Post by ironhold on Nov 21, 2015 4:12:09 GMT
Actual, brewed coffee. Over in Japan, you can get coffee, tea, juice, and other beverages in a can. They're often sold in vending machines for the sake of convenience, but some stores also stock them as well. okay, like you can get $tarbucks in bottles, here. a I recall Jamie's pop gun could put a canned beverage through a windshield... In this case, though, we're talking about a guy in his mid 20s who may or may not be a military veteran. That makes him more athletic than the average person, but he's still at realistically human levels. |
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Post by the light works on Nov 21, 2015 6:02:47 GMT
okay, like you can get $tarbucks in bottles, here. a I recall Jamie's pop gun could put a canned beverage through a windshield... In this case, though, we're talking about a guy in his mid 20s who may or may not be a military veteran. That makes him more athletic than the average person, but he's still at realistically human levels. we have an entire class of people in the US that can put a thrown object reliably on target at velocities consistently over 60 MPH. that might make a good baseline for physiological analysis, of anyone has the knowledge for that. |
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Post by ironhold on Nov 21, 2015 6:13:08 GMT
In this case, though, we're talking about a guy in his mid 20s who may or may not be a military veteran. That makes him more athletic than the average person, but he's still at realistically human levels. we have an entire class of people in the US that can put a thrown object reliably on target at velocities consistently over 60 MPH. that might make a good baseline for physiological analysis, of anyone has the knowledge for that. Yeah - I was thinking that a good measure would be to have an experienced baseball player (college-level if possible) and/or a military service member in a combat MOS be the pitcher for this one. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 21, 2015 9:06:19 GMT
Shoaib Akhtar Pakistani right arm very Fast Bowler can manage a respectable 100 mph (161 kmh) bowling speed... sporteology.com/top-10-fastest-bowlers-in-the-history-of-cricket/11/But you say a CAN of Liquid 'brewed' coffee.... I have heard of self heating cans like that, was that a self heating one, or do they have other methods of heating it?... Sounds awful. |
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Post by the light works on Nov 21, 2015 13:59:24 GMT
Shoaib Akhtar Pakistani right arm very Fast Bowler can manage a respectable 100 mph (161 kmh) bowling speed... sporteology.com/top-10-fastest-bowlers-in-the-history-of-cricket/11/But you say a CAN of Liquid 'brewed' coffee.... I have heard of self heating cans like that, was that a self heating one, or do they have other methods of heating it?... Sounds awful. I was going with 60 MPH as more of a normal thrower average. the next question would be whether the throwing speed is limited by the available energy, or if, as with aircraft carrier catapults, there is plenty of energy, but the velocity is capped. |
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Post by ironhold on Nov 21, 2015 21:59:53 GMT
Shoaib Akhtar Pakistani right arm very Fast Bowler can manage a respectable 100 mph (161 kmh) bowling speed... sporteology.com/top-10-fastest-bowlers-in-the-history-of-cricket/11/But you say a CAN of Liquid 'brewed' coffee.... I have heard of self heating cans like that, was that a self heating one, or do they have other methods of heating it?... Sounds awful. Straight-up soda can full of brewed coffee. As you can imagine, it's automatically at room temperature unless you pour it out into another container and heat it up. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 22, 2015 8:30:22 GMT
Shoaib Akhtar Pakistani right arm very Fast Bowler can manage a respectable 100 mph (161 kmh) bowling speed... sporteology.com/top-10-fastest-bowlers-in-the-history-of-cricket/11/But you say a CAN of Liquid 'brewed' coffee.... I have heard of self heating cans like that, was that a self heating one, or do they have other methods of heating it?... Sounds awful. Straight-up soda can full of brewed coffee. As you can imagine, it's automatically at room temperature unless you pour it out into another container and heat it up. I know this is a little off on a tangent, but why would anyone want a can of room temp Coffee?... Unless its going to be heated up?... |
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Post by mrfatso on Nov 22, 2015 14:01:45 GMT
Straight-up soda can full of brewed coffee. As you can imagine, it's automatically at room temperature unless you pour it out into another container and heat it up. I know this is a little off on a tangent, but why would anyone want a can of room temp Coffee?... Unless its going to be heated up?... Some people drink chilled coffee. Starbucks sell the little bottles of the stuff that LTW mentions, over here too you can buy in supermarkets just like you can buy cans of Coke from the shelf. Take Tesco, the UKs largest supermarket chain. www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=266892601 |
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Post by the light works on Nov 22, 2015 15:30:35 GMT
I know this is a little off on a tangent, but why would anyone want a can of room temp Coffee?... Unless its going to be heated up?... Some people drink chilled coffee. Starbucks sell the little bottles of the stuff that LTW mentions, over here too you can buy in supermarkets just like you can buy cans of Coke from the shelf. Take Tesco, the UKs largest supermarket chain. www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=266892601I think he is taking note of the fact that most people either drink their coffee cold or hot, rarely tepid. I don't know if the japanese vending machine in question delivers the can refrigerated, or if the custom is to buy the can and take it home or to work and heat it there. |
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Post by mrfatso on Nov 22, 2015 16:07:27 GMT
Yes but you can go to a supermarket and buy unchilled Coke cans and put them in a fridge to chill at home later for drinking, why not coffee in a can as well?
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Post by the light works on Nov 22, 2015 16:29:01 GMT
Yes but you can go to a supermarket and buy unchilled Coke cans and put them in a fridge to chill at home later for drinking, why not coffee in a can as well? in the original question, the character in question bought the can from a vending machine. I think the question at hand is what the common Japanese practice in having prepared coffee in a can is. we are looking at it in the context of how Americans and Europeans do their coffee, and that is not necessarily how the Japanese do their coffee. once we have the answer to that, it should make sense. I know I worked with a guy whose coffee practice was to use a method that produced room temperature coffee and then to heat the coffee for consumption - which he felt made superior coffee. |
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Post by mrfatso on Nov 22, 2015 16:34:24 GMT
Yes but you can go to a supermarket and buy unchilled Coke cans and put them in a fridge to chill at home later for drinking, why not coffee in a can as well? in the original question, the character in question bought the can from a vending machine. I think the question at hand is what the common Japanese practice in having prepared coffee in a can is. we are looking at it in the context of how Americans and Europeans do their coffee, and that is not necessarily how the Japanese do their coffee. once we have the answer to that, it should make sense. I know I worked with a guy whose coffee practice was to use a method that produced room temperature coffee and then to heat the coffee for consumption - which he felt made superior coffee. In that case you can certainly get vending machines that sell chilled drinks on the street, and I understand from friends that visited there you can get almost anything, including clean underwear from a vending machine in Japan. But I take your point about differences in style of drink, I have workmates that make tea in the Indian Chai style, boiling the tea,milk, sugar and water together rather than the normal British way. They managed to ruin a kettle at work when they tried to to that in the break room |
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