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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2016 0:31:49 GMT
this could very easily be a twofer the root is the eternal perception that people drive faster in passing lanes and slow down again when the passing lane ends. however, beyond that and as a cover for testing it is the question of whether terrain outside the roadway affects people's driving habits.
what I see as a test is to build a roadway about 10 miles long on a simulator, such that it can be safely driven at 60 MPH.
then overlay that roadway on different terrains, with and without passing lanes and study how people drive in the different terrains, and if there is a tendency to accelerate when the passing lane appears.
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 22, 2016 7:46:37 GMT
Middle lane owners club, confirmed, in that people will use the faster lanes for driving at normal speed being they believe the slow lane for trucks only.
Drive faster as soon as the passing lane appears, sort of confirmed, usually thats a wider space anyway, better visibility.
In UK, the speed limit changes for Trucks dependant on the road, to be different than the posted limit.
If the road has been 30 mph, thats my limit.
If the road changes to 40, I am still limited to 30 until it changes to a dual carriageway with central barrier.
If it changes to 50, I am limited to 40.
So maybe not being stuck behind that truck makes people drive faster to overtake those trucks....
But would they do it anyway if there were no trucks about?..
Possibly.
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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2016 15:46:45 GMT
Middle lane owners club, confirmed, in that people will use the faster lanes for driving at normal speed being they believe the slow lane for trucks only. Drive faster as soon as the passing lane appears, sort of confirmed, usually thats a wider space anyway, better visibility. In UK, the speed limit changes for Trucks dependant on the road, to be different than the posted limit. If the road has been 30 mph, thats my limit. If the road changes to 40, I am still limited to 30 until it changes to a dual carriageway with central barrier. If it changes to 50, I am limited to 40. So maybe not being stuck behind that truck makes people drive faster to overtake those trucks.... But would they do it anyway if there were no trucks about?.. Possibly. here, the only place trucks have a different limit is on the freeway (dual carriageway) where the top speed limit for not-trucks can be higher than the top speed limit for trucks. (but lower speed limits still apply equally to all) but yes, I'm a bit curious to know whether the improved visibility or perception of better road has more effect on people speeding up in passing lanes than the knee jerk passing lane-go fast response. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 23, 2016 7:49:21 GMT
I wonder if the obverse be true for better experienced drivers, as in, the worse a road gets, the more likely they self-limit to be able to stop in what they can see...
The "De-Restricted" limit in UK is 60mph.
This comes from the initial bringing on of speed limits in towns, they didnt bother out in the wilds, so those roads are not restricted above the national speed limit.
It doesnt mean you can, could, should, or would drive at 60 mph on some of the wildest parts of the countryside... because that would be stupid?..
On some of those roads, over 30mph is just not possible between hazards, "But many try".
You can see evidence of that by holes in hedgerows or dents in trees....
When you get to better roads, wider, no single carriageway with passing points etc, with a limit of 40, many people DO speed up, because the road is better in many ways. But reverse your direction of travel, what happens that way?.
I would say that going from a 40 zone to de-restricted, because the road gets worse, people will naturally slow down?...
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Post by the light works on Feb 23, 2016 15:17:09 GMT
I wonder if the obverse be true for better experienced drivers, as in, the worse a road gets, the more likely they self-limit to be able to stop in what they can see... The "De-Restricted" limit in UK is 60mph. This comes from the initial bringing on of speed limits in towns, they didnt bother out in the wilds, so those roads are not restricted above the national speed limit. It doesnt mean you can, could, should, or would drive at 60 mph on some of the wildest parts of the countryside... because that would be stupid?.. On some of those roads, over 30mph is just not possible between hazards, "But many try". You can see evidence of that by holes in hedgerows or dents in trees.... When you get to better roads, wider, no single carriageway with passing points etc, with a limit of 40, many people DO speed up, because the road is better in many ways. But reverse your direction of travel, what happens that way?. I would say that going from a 40 zone to de-restricted, because the road gets worse, people will naturally slow down?... Montana is a lot like that. the open road speed limit is 70 MPH in the daytime, and a lot of their rural road is perfectly safe at 70 MPH. but then some tourists think if the speed limit is 70, they should have made all the corners for 70 MPH; and they complain because they had to use their own judgement. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 24, 2016 5:46:41 GMT
I have seen in one area a speed limit sign "doctored" with the words "Its the limit not a target", and the usual chevrons for a corner doctored with "We aint kiddin... slow down..."
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Post by the light works on Feb 24, 2016 15:27:54 GMT
I have seen in one area a speed limit sign "doctored" with the words "Its the limit not a target", and the usual chevrons for a corner doctored with "We aint kiddin... slow down..." a guy I worked with came back complaining that the speed limit was too high. I refrained from pointing out that it wasn't a minimum. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 24, 2016 15:29:23 GMT
which brings up one of the points I am curious about - is the same road faster set on a flat plain, compared to along the edge of a cliff?
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 25, 2016 6:47:49 GMT
Cliff would like you to stop building roads on him, just because he went on a summer holiday doesnt mean he is a tourist spot.
How many speed up because they are bored, how many crawl along to "see the view" despite the mile-and-a-huff of traffic stuck behind them?.
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Post by the light works on Feb 25, 2016 15:21:28 GMT
Cliff would like you to stop building roads on him, just because he went on a summer holiday doesnt mean he is a tourist spot. How many speed up because they are bored, how many crawl along to "see the view" despite the mile-and-a-huff of traffic stuck behind them?. here, the sightseers vastly outnumber the "on the way to somewhere else"s. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 26, 2016 6:47:54 GMT
Cliff would like you to stop building roads on him, just because he went on a summer holiday doesnt mean he is a tourist spot. How many speed up because they are bored, how many crawl along to "see the view" despite the mile-and-a-huff of traffic stuck behind them?. here, the sightseers vastly outnumber the "on the way to somewhere else"s. My Sympathies.... I have been "Ordered" to "Move the (beep)ing van" because it "Spoils the view"... (Quite rudely?..) "You want Lunch?..." "Of course..." "Shut the (beep) up because I am delivering it then..." Hushed silence as the rest of the crowd let that one settle in, then Mr-Red-Face retired to the bar to refresh his drink and stayed the hell out of my way, which worked well?... I also have had to deal with massed sightseers on my delivery rounds.. why cant they just park the hell up in the laybys and let the traffic past?... Laugh?... I was following one Tractor one day, it was a modern one, quite capable of doing 50mph, and he was getting impatient with a clown sightseeing in front of him hogging the white line on a 30 road doing less than 25... The Irony was not lost... |
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Post by the light works on Feb 26, 2016 15:35:14 GMT
here, the sightseers vastly outnumber the "on the way to somewhere else"s. My Sympathies.... I have been "Ordered" to "Move the (beep)ing van" because it "Spoils the view"... (Quite rudely?..) "You want Lunch?..." "Of course..." "Shut the (beep) up because I am delivering it then..." Hushed silence as the rest of the crowd let that one settle in, then Mr-Red-Face retired to the bar to refresh his drink and stayed the hell out of my way, which worked well?... I also have had to deal with massed sightseers on my delivery rounds.. why cant they just park the hell up in the laybys and let the traffic past?... Laugh?... I was following one Tractor one day, it was a modern one, quite capable of doing 50mph, and he was getting impatient with a clown sightseeing in front of him hogging the white line on a 30 road doing less than 25... The Irony was not lost... I had one summer back in my gas station days when I nearly rear ended a car in the middle of town. while jaywalking. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Feb 26, 2016 19:05:38 GMT
I think at least part of the origin of this myth is people speeding up in passing lanes while they are getting passed (or doing the passing). I would call that confirmed. I think some people speed up so they don't get passed (because they are jerks), some speed up when they see someone passing because they realize how slow they are going, and some just see someone going faster and feel the need to match it.
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Post by the light works on Feb 27, 2016 1:28:03 GMT
I think at least part of the origin of this myth is people speeding up in passing lanes while they are getting passed (or doing the passing). I would call that confirmed. I think some people speed up so they don't get passed (because they are jerks), some speed up when they see someone passing because they realize how slow they are going, and some just see someone going faster and feel the need to match it. I was referring more to the people getting passed. it is obvious the people trying to pass will speed up. unless they're stupid, that is. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 27, 2016 8:03:01 GMT
I think at least part of the origin of this myth is people speeding up in passing lanes while they are getting passed (or doing the passing). I would call that confirmed. I think some people speed up so they don't get passed (because they are jerks), some speed up when they see someone passing because they realize how slow they are going, and some just see someone going faster and feel the need to match it. Also myth confirmed a couple of times I have tried to pass a car towing a Caravan and the sods have decided that they dont WANT to be passed by a wagon.... |
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Post by the light works on Feb 27, 2016 8:08:56 GMT
I think at least part of the origin of this myth is people speeding up in passing lanes while they are getting passed (or doing the passing). I would call that confirmed. I think some people speed up so they don't get passed (because they are jerks), some speed up when they see someone passing because they realize how slow they are going, and some just see someone going faster and feel the need to match it. Also myth confirmed a couple of times I have tried to pass a car towing a Caravan and the sods have decided that they dont WANT to be passed by a wagon.... my classic example - before I went from 304CID to 401 CID in the Jeep (5.0 to about 6.25L) I was following a car on one of our highways - the guy would go 40 MPH where it was illegal to pass, and I didn't have enough engine to catch him where it was legal. I finally got around him because I knew the road better than he did and came into one legal-to-pass zone with about a 20 MPH jump on him. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 27, 2016 8:45:57 GMT
Also myth confirmed a couple of times I have tried to pass a car towing a Caravan and the sods have decided that they dont WANT to be passed by a wagon.... my classic example - before I went from 304CID to 401 CID in the Jeep (5.0 to about 6.25L) I was following a car on one of our highways - the guy would go 40 MPH where it was illegal to pass, and I didn't have enough engine to catch him where it was legal. I finally got around him because I knew the road better than he did and came into one legal-to-pass zone with about a 20 MPH jump on him. Those are what I call "Nose-fly" idiots, they will NOT let you past, because they are just belligerent. There is no cure. I have made use of my needed rest break to get away from that kind of incident, no one will win, so why raise my own anger levels for some twerp?... might as well have lunch. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 27, 2016 8:50:06 GMT
my classic example - before I went from 304CID to 401 CID in the Jeep (5.0 to about 6.25L) I was following a car on one of our highways - the guy would go 40 MPH where it was illegal to pass, and I didn't have enough engine to catch him where it was legal. I finally got around him because I knew the road better than he did and came into one legal-to-pass zone with about a 20 MPH jump on him. Those are what I call "Nose-fly" idiots, they will NOT let you past, because they are just belligerent. There is no cure. I have made use of my needed rest break to get away from that kind of incident, no one will win, so why raise my own anger levels for some twerp?... might as well have lunch. I once crossed paths with a true nose-fly. when I passed him, he was willing to go up to 70 in the next straightaway to get back in front of me, so he could slow me down to 45 again. of course, I was willing to go 75 to stop this. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 28, 2016 7:25:44 GMT
Bit difficult when your works truck is limited to 55......
I have also had that happen, but, I know the road MUCH better than them, so put a little distance between us, then pulled over and waved to them as the passed.... then turned off at the next exit.
I was planning to do that anyway, just though I would sour his day a little.
BTW, It was a "Two fingered" waive..... I am sure the car wobbled as he passed.
But we are drifting away from the question.
Do people speed up unnecessarily, and why?.
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2016 15:29:39 GMT
Bit difficult when your works truck is limited to 55...... I have also had that happen, but, I know the road MUCH better than them, so put a little distance between us, then pulled over and waved to them as the passed.... then turned off at the next exit. I was planning to do that anyway, just though I would sour his day a little. BTW, It was a "Two fingered" waive..... I am sure the car wobbled as he passed. But we are drifting away from the question. Do people speed up unnecessarily, and why?. here, a two fingered wave would take both hands. |
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