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Post by c64 on Jun 4, 2018 20:51:59 GMT
Doesn't work over here. We pay annual tax (and a fee) for the license. Then there is the mandatory insurance. Without insurance or paid tax/fees, you have to return the plates to have the sticker removed. And then there's the 2-year safety inspection which has it's own sticker. this is a special deal for the antique cars. and it is only the licensing fee they save. insurance is a different matter. and in most places, they are only required to meet the standards the newest components had to meet at the time of manufacture. (for example, if you take a 1920 REO truck and put a 2000 drivetrain in it, you also have to upgrade the safety equipment to 2000 standards) Here, it is different. The car has to fulfill the standards from the day (!) it was first licensed. The only exception is to retrofit turn signals if the car doesn't have them. You don't even need to retrofit seat belts - but once installed, you may not remove them any more. Every two years, the integrity of the car is checked as well as the emission standards - if there were standards when the car was first licensed. Before 1999, the brakes have to have a minimum braking force depending on the weight of the car. Newer cars are in a database where specific braking forces at specific hydraulic pressures have to be reached. Also newer cars have their emission standards in the database. When a car was first licensed 30+ years ago and is in a decent shape, it can have a special "H" (historic) license. The car can't have anything you couldn't have installed in the first 10 years it was licensed. With the "H" license, you almost pay no tax any more and you may ignore the "environmental zones". So with a classic car, you can enter areas where cars must have a catalytic converter. So I am not worried about the new "blue environmental zones" where cars older than a few years are banned. When they finally can put them up, my car turns 30 years old. All I need to do is polishing the paint, paint the plastic parts shiny black and install the restored interior I already have in my cellar. |
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Post by the light works on Jun 4, 2018 22:43:04 GMT
this is a special deal for the antique cars. and it is only the licensing fee they save. insurance is a different matter. and in most places, they are only required to meet the standards the newest components had to meet at the time of manufacture. (for example, if you take a 1920 REO truck and put a 2000 drivetrain in it, you also have to upgrade the safety equipment to 2000 standards) Here, it is different. The car has to fulfill the standards from the day (!) it was first licensed. The only exception is to retrofit turn signals if the car doesn't have them. You don't even need to retrofit seat belts - but once installed, you may not remove them any more. Every two years, the integrity of the car is checked as well as the emission standards - if there were standards when the car was first licensed. Before 1999, the brakes have to have a minimum braking force depending on the weight of the car. Newer cars are in a database where specific braking forces at specific hydraulic pressures have to be reached. Also newer cars have their emission standards in the database. When a car was first licensed 30+ years ago and is in a decent shape, it can have a special "H" (historic) license. The car can't have anything you couldn't have installed in the first 10 years it was licensed. With the "H" license, you almost pay no tax any more and you may ignore the "environmental zones". So with a classic car, you can enter areas where cars must have a catalytic converter. So I am not worried about the new "blue environmental zones" where cars older than a few years are banned. When they finally can put them up, my car turns 30 years old. All I need to do is polishing the paint, paint the plastic parts shiny black and install the restored interior I already have in my cellar. in Oregon, the tax is paid on the fuel, so if you have a classic car you don't drive much, you don't pay much tax. if you have an electric car you don't pay any tax (which they are trying to figure out a way to change) and if you have it tuned to waste a lot of fuel, you also pay a lot of tax. other states charge tax on the car, itself when you get the license renewed, which is often based on the resale value of the car. - I don't know how THEY deal with restored classic cars. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Jun 5, 2018 0:25:25 GMT
In Illinois, we pay a yearly tax on each car. Of course, they don't call it a tax. Then each city, town or village also can charge a yearly tax on each vehicle you own or lease. We also pay one of the highest gasoline taxes in the country which use to be used for road infrastructure but now it just goes into the general fund(spelled, state worker pensions.) At least they didn't take away our privilege of paying tolls every few miles, which now also go into the general pension fund.
But to be fair, they don't just pick on cars. We also have some of the highest real estate, income and sales taxes in the country. Good thing a lot of people are moving out to make room from all those immigrants from California that are leaving their state for places with less taxes (like Illinois?)
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Post by kharnynb on Jun 5, 2018 13:37:57 GMT
In finland, you pay tax on the car, based on emmisions, every year, this will be around 250-400 euro's for a reasonably new car(museum cars are exempt if not driven daily).
Then you pay taxes on gasoline 0,70 per liter(our taxes are higher than your full gas-price).
then you have to pay for the yearly check and emmision measuring, which is about 60 more euros, driving is not cheap here....
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Post by the light works on Jun 5, 2018 13:45:58 GMT
In finland, you pay tax on the car, based on emmisions, every year, this will be around 250-400 euro's for a reasonably new car(museum cars are exempt if not driven daily). Then you pay taxes on gasoline 0,70 per liter(our taxes are higher than your full gas-price). then you have to pay for the yearly check and emmision measuring, which is about 60 more euros, driving is not cheap here.... before Washington raised their gas taxes, I think they paid 5% of the resale value per year to license the car. not so bad, back when you could get a modest car for $10,000.00. |
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Post by c64 on Jun 5, 2018 18:07:47 GMT
In finland, you pay tax on the car, based on emmisions, every year, this will be around 250-400 euro's for a reasonably new car(museum cars are exempt if not driven daily). Then you pay taxes on gasoline 0,70 per liter(our taxes are higher than your full gas-price). then you have to pay for the yearly check and emmision measuring, which is about 60 more euros, driving is not cheap here.... Similar here in Germany. The tax based on emissions is actually not really based on emissions. The EU has a weird formula to determine the emissions. If the car is not in the database, they take the engine displacement to calculate the CO₂ emissions for the tax. According to the tax I pay, my car emits 4.8 times more carbon than I put into it. The current "stinker tax" (on top of the normal annual base tax) for my car is €480! I could buy bogus devices which make the exhaust fumes all nice but those cost over €500 and most are bad for the engine. Also the car uses even more fuel. More fuel to make less CO₂.... Tax could be a lot worse since my car has a Euro-1 conversion by VW built in from the factory. A better crankcase vent. Just great, this better vent pipe fills with oil foam and when you suddenly release the accelerator at high speeds, the foam is shot into the air intake. This is often so violent that oil oozes out of all air intake sensor plugs and pipe joints. So the whole engine bay is an oily mess. But hey, this gives the car a better environmental rating so there is less tax! I liked the Euro-0 much better - E0 = zero problems and a clean engine. Well, just 2 years to go and I get my "H" license and save a lot of tax. And on a related note, today I have filled up my car for 3 digit Euros (€104.98) after driving 980 kilometers. Last time that had happened was over 6 years ago. The taxes for cars in the database are very weird. When you buy the latest engine technology, you get 2 years for free, then you pay a small tax. But when the car becomes older than 5 or 8 years, it becomes declared as "stinker" and you pay an insanely high tax. They don't really do that for the environment, buying new cars more often is really bad for the environment - but good for the domestic economy! |
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Post by kharnynb on Jun 5, 2018 18:23:55 GMT
here, you have to get a licensed garage to measure it every year, it's not based on a list.
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Post by c64 on Jun 5, 2018 19:32:16 GMT
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Post by the light works on Jun 5, 2018 19:43:12 GMT
that's why I like the gas tax. it is much simpler. |
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Post by c64 on Jun 5, 2018 19:50:50 GMT
that's why I like the gas tax. it is much simpler. We have that AS WELL! I wasn't allowed to buy a motorcycle like everybody else when I was 16. "Wait until you are 18," my mum said, "then you can have 4 wheels which is much safer!" So I had bought one of those:  A Deutz D15 "iron pig" with 1336ccm, 1-piston diesel, 15 HP. As a slow (≤25kph) farming device you could "buy" a license for with 16 before 1995 when they had changed the law. When I have the money and opportunity, I think I upgrade for the "Efficiency class A++" version:  16 liter V12 diesel. This thing doesn't make any sense at all but I must have one! |
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Post by the light works on Jun 5, 2018 20:02:57 GMT
that's why I like the gas tax. it is much simpler. We have that AS WELL! I wasn't allowed to buy a motorcycle like everybody else when I was 16. "Wait until you are 18," my mum said, "then you can have 4 wheels which is much safer!" So I had bought one of those: A Deutz D15 "iron pig" with 1336ccm, 1-piston diesel, 15 HP. As a slow (≤25kph) farming device you could "buy" a license for with 16 before 1995 when they had changed the law. When I have the money and opportunity, I think I upgrade for the "Efficiency class A++" version: 16 liter V12 diesel. This thing doesn't make any sense at all but I must have one! that pretty much sums up American car buying. except they want this |
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Post by c64 on Jun 5, 2018 20:05:52 GMT
We have that AS WELL! I wasn't allowed to buy a motorcycle like everybody else when I was 16. "Wait until you are 18," my mum said, "then you can have 4 wheels which is much safer!" So I had bought one of those: A Deutz D15 "iron pig" with 1336ccm, 1-piston diesel, 15 HP. As a slow (≤25kph) farming device you could "buy" a license for with 16 before 1995 when they had changed the law. When I have the money and opportunity, I think I upgrade for the "Efficiency class A++" version: 16 liter V12 diesel. This thing doesn't make any sense at all but I must have one! that pretty much sums up American car buying. Exactly. 170HP out of 16 liter displacement  |
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Post by the light works on Jun 5, 2018 20:10:47 GMT
that pretty much sums up American car buying. Exactly. 170HP out of 16 liter displacement I haven't thought about this video in ages. all torque. |
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Post by c64 on Jun 5, 2018 20:11:44 GMT
This engine has its roots from tugboat engines, modified to be air cooled and made more compact to be used for the most powerful trucks using an atmospheric diesel, e.g. the Magirus Deutz "Uranus"  |
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Post by c64 on Jun 5, 2018 20:15:59 GMT
Exactly. 170HP out of 16 liter displacement I haven't thought about this video in ages. all torque. Nice hit&miss, the starter and the actual engine  |
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Post by c64 on Jun 5, 2018 20:20:07 GMT
There are just a few parts missing and it would be a nice Redneck mobility scooter...
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Post by c64 on Jun 5, 2018 20:36:54 GMT
In the museum of technology in Sinsheim they had just successfully restored an WW-2 BMW bomber engine. During the first test run someone said: "Now we definitely need a vehicle for this!"
And that was how "Brutus" was first made up and then really built:
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Post by GTCGreg on Jun 6, 2018 0:56:07 GMT
Nice hit&miss, the starter and the actual engine All you needed was a big flywheel to store the Hits and get you through the Misses. |
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Post by kharnynb on Jun 6, 2018 3:58:44 GMT
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Post by c64 on Jun 6, 2018 18:00:24 GMT
Whut!? YOur country ignores the holy 1999/94/EG and hasn't categorized your cars?! |
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