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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 24, 2017 12:02:18 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_TransitAnother idea I've been chewing on - See the vehicle at the top of the article? Something like that converted into a caravan (re: mobile home) with minimal exterior modification. The mental image I have in my head is of a small bathroom area (toilet, shower, sink, water reserves) in the rear, a small kitchen area (sink, stove, small refrigerator, microwave, counter space) on the wall opposite the side door, stow-and-go seating and tabletops opposite the side door opening, and front driver & passenger seats that can safely go completely flat. One flat-screen television would be pre-installed on the front center console, while a second would be pre-installed in the small kitchen area; the kitchen one would have a hookup for a game console or a DVD player. The television sets would already be set up to receive broadcast signals from local television stations. Extras would include solar panels, satellite television, and satellite radio. The logic would be that in the universe they'd be used in, they'd be comparatively cheap "starter" models for childless couples or close friends. The trade-off, however, is that users would have to either sleep in the front chairs or sleep on the floor once the seats & tables are stowed (I'm having trouble envisioning how proper bedding could be inserted into a design like this short of futon mats). Two minor points; 1; It is unlikely that any society would allow a TV to be installed where the driver could see and be distracted by it. This is actually illegal in our world for good reason. Yes, you could say a TV up front is designed not to activate when the vehicle is being driven. But knowing human nature it would be five minutes before someone figured out how to bypass this. From a safety and enforcement prospective its easier and cheaper to just ban TVs up front entirely. 2; Don't forget that you have vertical space. Beds could be dropped down and stored in the ceiling, the area over the drivers cab could be raised to give a small fixed sleeping area or storage space, brackets/conections could be installed to allow hammocks or similar or all three. In fact you'd probably have everything but the sleeping area as standard on the basic version. Sure, you'd have to climb into bed but then it is intended for younger occupants.
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Post by ironhold on Feb 24, 2017 12:55:04 GMT
Thanks.
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Post by the light works on Feb 24, 2017 15:38:37 GMT
for the third time. I agree with the others. having driven a transit, I wouldn't want to sleep in the driver's seat, so a loft bed would be good. you could make it so the TV used the windshield, making it impossible to try to drive and watch by making it impossible to see to drive. (my connection this moring is TERRIBLE.)
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 24, 2017 20:02:19 GMT
No matter how reliable the technology, I can't see any moderately responsible government allowing vehicle's to have windshields that could at any point suddenly block the drivers sight. A HUD for navigation and instrument readings is one thing. Having your 50mph drive down the freeway interrupted by the latest episode of "Cybermortis, why we should worship his genius" is something else....
This would apply to any kind of video display in the driving compartment, no matter how it is installed.
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Post by mrfatso on Feb 24, 2017 23:29:18 GMT
Many cruise ship cabins have the type of bed arrangement that Cybermortis describes to allow extra guests in a cabin. These are called Pullman beds, as they originated on Pullman rail carriages.
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Post by mrfatso on Feb 25, 2017 10:25:51 GMT
I. Should also say I do agree with LTW putting indirect fire weapons like missles or a howitzer would be better on the turret so it could be dropped out of LOS would be better if you went down that route, they should also have close support weapons like an mg on them. Or possibly a mix of weapons in a squadron of hovercraft support weapons and close defense turrets to protect the rest. I would not want to drop them in view of the enemy, they then just become easy targets for their weapons to destroy them, call in artillery or an air strike against them. They lack the strength of a hardened bunker to survive direct hits or the mobility to,shoot and scoot.
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Post by the light works on Feb 25, 2017 10:39:35 GMT
just noticed that is a transit, not a transit connect. they already make camper vans out of them.
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Post by ironhold on Feb 26, 2017 4:04:03 GMT
Another bit that came to mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Amphibious_VehicleImagine an amphibious track like this... as a landing pad for a light gyrocopter. The sides and top flip down so that the aircraft can deploy. This would enable the aircraft to do its job (light recon work, commando insertion, et cetra) and then return, with no full-sized carrier at risk.
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Post by the light works on Feb 26, 2017 16:41:21 GMT
Another bit that came to mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Amphibious_VehicleImagine an amphibious track like this... as a landing pad for a light gyrocopter. The sides and top flip down so that the aircraft can deploy. This would enable the aircraft to do its job (light recon work, commando insertion, et cetra) and then return, with no full-sized carrier at risk. I would hate to drive that with the bird on top. I can see it being deployed as a support base for a bird, but not to drive with the bird on board.
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Post by mrfatso on Feb 26, 2017 17:05:06 GMT
That type of Amphibious Assault vehicle needs an assault ship to deploy from that ship can act as a landing platform for a gyrocopter or ordinary helicopters anyway. A ship borne aircraft could be slightly larger and carry a greater fuel load and payload that would more than outweigh any marginal ability to,deploy closer to the beach from such an assault vehicle.
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 26, 2017 17:56:13 GMT
Gyrocopters can't carry more than two people, and most only one, let alone a squad of troopers.
If you wanted to add the ability to do aerial scouting you'd be better off using a small remote drone. The size would allow a number of them to be carried without impacting the vehicle in the slightest. Air support, incursion, and longer range scouting missions would be better with much larger machine's. Keep in mind that a gyrocopter would require a pilot, and a support crew plus additional supplies that would drastically reduce the capabilities of a vehicle by taking up space and adding weight. For example you'd be adding at least two additional personal who have no function unless or until the copter is in the air.
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Post by wvengineer on Feb 26, 2017 22:20:23 GMT
[qufote author=" ironhold" source="/post/108535/thread" timestamp="1487914884"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit Another idea I've been chewing on - See the vehicle at the top of the article? Something like that converted into a caravan (re: mobile home) with minimal exterior modification. The mental image I have in my head is of a small bathroom area (toilet, shower, sink, water reserves) in the rear, a small kitchen area (sink, stove, small refrigerator, microwave, counter space) on the wall opposite the side door, stow-and-go seating and tabletops opposite the side door opening, and front driver & passenger seats that can safely go completely flat. One flat-screen television would be pre-installed on the front center console, while a second would be pre-installed in the small kitchen area; the kitchen one would have a hookup for a game console or a DVD player. The television sets would already be set up to receive broadcast signals from local television stations. Extras would include solar panels, satellite television, and satellite radio. The logic would be that in the universe they'd be used in, they'd be comparatively cheap "starter" models for childless couples or close friends. The trade-off, however, is that users would have to either sleep in the front chairs or sleep on the floor once the seats & tables are stowed (I'm having trouble envisioning how proper bedding could be inserted into a design like this short of futon mats). [/quote] In the US, that is called a a "Class B" RV. Sometimes they are also called conversion vans. Here is just one example of a company who makes them. www.roadtrek.com/A google search will find you tons more. Another option is you could go visit a local RV dealer and ask to look at what they have on the lot if you want research these in person. The problem with these is that they are usually a fair amount more expensive than a house. You can get a mini house for $20,000 USD, mobile and modular construction houses start $50,000 plus land. In my area, you can get a small house for $75,000. Less for a fixer-upper. However, conversion vans start at $75,000 for a supper cheap one. Most are in the $150,000 range. That will buy you a fairly descent home.
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Post by the light works on Feb 26, 2017 22:37:05 GMT
Gyrocopters can't carry more than two people, and most only one, let alone a squad of troopers. If you wanted to add the ability to do aerial scouting you'd be better off using a small remote drone. The size would allow a number of them to be carried without impacting the vehicle in the slightest. Air support, incursion, and longer range scouting missions would be better with much larger machine's. Keep in mind that a gyrocopter would require a pilot, and a support crew plus additional supplies that would drastically reduce the capabilities of a vehicle by taking up space and adding weight. For example you'd be adding at least two additional personal who have no function unless or until the copter is in the air. hence my thought - the bird flies in from the mobile base (ship or field base) and the amphibius support vehicle drives in and establishes a temporary LZ.- then the bird returns to the support vehicle for resupply. engineers, follow building a supply road to restock the ASV. it would work in a dynamic, fast moving battlefront, say, if you had a huge territory, and widely dispersed forces.
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Post by ironhold on Feb 27, 2017 1:17:44 GMT
Gyrocopters can't carry more than two people, and most only one, let alone a squad of troopers. If you wanted to add the ability to do aerial scouting you'd be better off using a small remote drone. The size would allow a number of them to be carried without impacting the vehicle in the slightest. Air support, incursion, and longer range scouting missions would be better with much larger machine's. Keep in mind that a gyrocopter would require a pilot, and a support crew plus additional supplies that would drastically reduce the capabilities of a vehicle by taking up space and adding weight. For example you'd be adding at least two additional personal who have no function unless or until the copter is in the air. hence my thought - the bird flies in from the mobile base (ship or field base) and the amphibius support vehicle drives in and establishes a temporary LZ.- then the bird returns to the support vehicle for resupply. engineers, follow building a supply road to restock the ASV. it would work in a dynamic, fast moving battlefront, say, if you had a huge territory, and widely dispersed forces. So, say, it'd be more logical to have an amphibious transport that can quickly deploy a modular structure to set up a quick-start field outpost?
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Post by the light works on Feb 27, 2017 1:40:08 GMT
hence my thought - the bird flies in from the mobile base (ship or field base) and the amphibius support vehicle drives in and establishes a temporary LZ.- then the bird returns to the support vehicle for resupply. engineers, follow building a supply road to restock the ASV. it would work in a dynamic, fast moving battlefront, say, if you had a huge territory, and widely dispersed forces. So, say, it'd be more logical to have an amphibious transport that can quickly deploy a modular structure to set up a quick-start field outpost? the more stuff you try to carry, the heavier your vehicle is. in an amphibious mode, that is significant. I had it more in mind that the vehicle would BE the outpost. if it was decided to upgrade the outpost, more vehicles could follow.
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 27, 2017 2:15:31 GMT
You'd have an assault version, intended to secure a beach head and which could make use of small drones to scout the immediate area. You might also have a command version, which replaces the troop compartment with communication equipment and maybe larger drones for scouting further out and providing information for artillery bombardments. Actual base building would be done by an engineering variant, with specialised equipment, not a 'standard' or command version. Assuming that landing craft are not used, in which case engineering vehicle's will probably be based on the chassis of a main battle tank instead.
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Post by ironhold on Feb 27, 2017 5:23:29 GMT
In that case, what would make more sense: having the "payload" at the front of the vehicle, or the rear?
Having it at the rear would mean that the driver can sit up front and so have a better field of vision, while having it at the front would mean that if it's hauling cargo it can be deployed as soon as the vehicle hits the beach, leaving the vehicle to back up and head out into the water without turning around on land.
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Post by the light works on Feb 27, 2017 6:00:22 GMT
In that case, what would make more sense: having the "payload" at the front of the vehicle, or the rear? Having it at the rear would mean that the driver can sit up front and so have a better field of vision, while having it at the front would mean that if it's hauling cargo it can be deployed as soon as the vehicle hits the beach, leaving the vehicle to back up and head out into the water without turning around on land. here's a really cool thing about helicopters: they can go places without being transported on a truck. a fully loaded Gazelle helicopter weighs nearly two tons. your AAV can carry about a thousand pounds without sinking. the helicopter also puts the center of mass about 10 feet higher than the design of the AAV intends. I have loaded a sailboat on a trailer onto a truck and driven it. I routinely haul 200 pound power poles on a 10 foot tall truck. I've driven a Jeep on two and three wheels. I've put 10 wheels sideways. I routinely carry 12 and 13 foot ladders vertically. loading something that barely functions as a boat with something that weighs twice the design weight, and ten feet above the design position just sounds like all kinds of trouble waiting to happen. especially when it means the helicopter will be going 8 miles per hour while under fire instead of 80. as far as landing craft: the crew is high on the side, so they have good vision, without obstructing the unloading process.
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 27, 2017 7:19:09 GMT
Aww Come on MrF, we can do better than that... Based on the Befdord Rascal. Somone even went as far as making it "Off Road" That aint "Big wheels", thems 15 inch wheels on a lifted " tiny" van.....
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 27, 2017 7:23:05 GMT
Note, Bedford Rascal, I went camping in a friends once, I slept on the floor on a mat with my feet out the back door. There isnt much room, good job it didnt rain that night as well.
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