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Post by silverdragon on May 10, 2017 6:59:03 GMT
Are shuttlecocks that are made from the feathers of the left wing of a goose "better" or not?. Are shuttlecocks made from the feathers of the left wing?.. confirmed, it makes the shuttlething fly in a spin clockwise which stabilises its flight, and apparently a clockwise spin is "Better" than an anti-clockwise spin. This is the myth, does it bloody well matter which way it spins?.. research done so far... this site "Claims", and there are others... www.inverse.com/article/19768-2016-rio-olympics-goose-geese-left-wing-badminton-shuttlecockWikapedia also makes the same claim.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShuttlecockThis is a testable myth by making both left and right orientated shuttles and testing them?.. |
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Post by the light works on May 10, 2017 14:35:49 GMT
Are shuttlecocks that are made from the feathers of the left wing of a goose "better" or not?. Are shuttlecocks made from the feathers of the left wing?.. confirmed, it makes the shuttlething fly in a spin clockwise which stabilises its flight, and apparently a clockwise spin is "Better" than an anti-clockwise spin. This is the myth, does it bloody well matter which way it spins?.. research done so far... this site "Claims", and there are others... www.inverse.com/article/19768-2016-rio-olympics-goose-geese-left-wing-badminton-shuttlecockWikapedia also makes the same claim.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShuttlecockThis is a testable myth by making both left and right orientated shuttles and testing them?.. I suspect that what will be found is that the shuttlecock has a flight path, and a right wing shuttlecock will have a slightly different flight path than a left wing shuttlecock. thus, you want your shuttlecocks to all be the same, and a left wing shuttlecock may be more favorable to a right handed player. I am a bit surprised they are still using natural shuttlecocks, though. |
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Post by GTCGreg on May 10, 2017 15:33:09 GMT
Not all shuttlecocks are created equal, and not all have feathers, either natural or imitation.  |
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Post by the light works on May 10, 2017 15:44:29 GMT
so we would be discussing a feather shuttle, obviously. however, a nylon shuttle could be used as a comparison. I would think a machine would need to be built to strike the shuttle in order to measure the trajectory. - you have to eliminate the variable of how the person hits the shuttle in order to see if left wing, right wing, and nylon shuttles have a different trajectory.
then if you really want to get complex, you can add left handed and right handed strikes, as well as forehand and backhand.
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Post by the light works on May 10, 2017 15:46:16 GMT
I think we can easily agree that feathers ARE directional, and having consistent feathers is necessary for consistent performance.
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Post by GTCGreg on May 10, 2017 15:50:30 GMT
I think we can easily agree that feathers ARE directional, and having consistent feathers is necessary for consistent performance. I'm sure you're right, but I've used both feather and nylon and my game equally sucked with both. |
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Post by the light works on May 10, 2017 15:57:24 GMT
I think we can easily agree that feathers ARE directional, and having consistent feathers is necessary for consistent performance. I'm sure you're right, but I've used both feather and nylon and my game equally sucked with both. same, here (referring to the game - I've never used a natural shuttle), but we're not trying to eliminate THAT end of the racket as a variable. |
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Post by ironhold on May 10, 2017 17:33:02 GMT
I think we can easily agree that feathers ARE directional, and having consistent feathers is necessary for consistent performance. I'm sure you're right, but I've used both feather and nylon and my game equally sucked with both. QFT. I see no reason why shuttlecock needs to exist. |
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Post by the light works on May 10, 2017 17:38:45 GMT
I'm sure you're right, but I've used both feather and nylon and my game equally sucked with both. QFT. I see no reason why shuttlecock needs to exist. to provide a sport high school geeks might hold their own at in PE class. |
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Post by GTCGreg on May 10, 2017 18:55:07 GMT
QFT. I see no reason why shuttlecock needs to exist. to provide a sport high school geeks might hold their own at in PE class. That's why I learned to play. It's the only sport where the object you are trying to hit moves slow enough for me to have a chance of hitting it. It also doesn't hurt as much when you miss and it hits you in the head. |
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Post by ironhold on May 10, 2017 19:09:26 GMT
to provide a sport high school geeks might hold their own at in PE class. That's why I learned to play. It's the only sport where the object you are trying to hit moves slow enough for me to have a chance of hitting it. It also doesn't hurt as much when you miss and it hits you in the head. With me, it was the opposite. The stupid things were so light that even when I *did* manage to hit one the power in my swing would send it flopping uncontrollably. A proper tennis ball would have been easier. |
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Post by GTCGreg on May 10, 2017 19:20:14 GMT
That's why I learned to play. It's the only sport where the object you are trying to hit moves slow enough for me to have a chance of hitting it. It also doesn't hurt as much when you miss and it hits you in the head. With me, it was the opposite. The stupid things were so light that even when I *did* manage to hit one the power in my swing would send it flopping uncontrollably. A proper tennis ball would have been easier. Guess you just don't know your own strength. My problem is that my eyes just don't track right and I have very poor depth perception, making it very difficult judging the location of moving objects coming directly towards me. I'm sure this is why I've never had much interest in sports that required that skill. As the old joke goes; "I was wondering why the ball was getting larger, then it hit me." That's me. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 11, 2017 6:36:09 GMT
to provide a sport high school geeks might hold their own at in PE class. That's why I learned to play. It's the only sport where the object you are trying to hit moves slow enough for me to have a chance of hitting it. It also doesn't hurt as much when you miss and it hits you in the head. I was just about to add, in racket sports, its the only game I ever had a chance of being in the right place at the right time, even when I was able to run around like a loon for 20 mins!... |
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Post by silverdragon on May 11, 2017 6:40:49 GMT
That's why I learned to play. It's the only sport where the object you are trying to hit moves slow enough for me to have a chance of hitting it. It also doesn't hurt as much when you miss and it hits you in the head. I was just about to add, in racket sports, its the only game I ever had a chance of being in the right place at the right time, even when I was able to run around like a loon for 20 mins!... "The Works doctor" told me I have zero depth perception.... His problem is the machine he used to test this wasnt calibrated to deal with my "Long sight" sight problem, and I couldnt see what I was supposed to see. So I look out the window and tell him "That trailer is closer that that one, how much more do you need?.." he gave up, which was good, I didnt like him, my own doctor sent me to see a decent optometrist who told me the works doc was doing something Jamie would have been proud of, quacking. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 11, 2017 6:46:51 GMT
Question, as it has been mentioned, does a right hand spin shuttlecock work better for a left hand person, or right hand for right hand, left for left, or vice versa?..
You know, I think we may have something we can test here?.. it cant be that hard to find left-handed sports equipment, and therefore, left handed shuttlecocks... do they exist?.
But then again, forehand or backswing, why doesnt it matter which shot you use?..
TBH, I honestly cant see how it matters so much which way a shuttlecock spins.
And now to super-size the myth....
This is sort of a weird idea, take a rifle's rifling and reverse the direction, give that to a competent marksman, does reversing the spin of a bullet put of the shot?..
Can you buy clockwise/anti-clockwise rifling guns anyway?.. or is this going to be make one yourself kind of thing?.
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Post by the light works on May 11, 2017 14:17:25 GMT
Question, as it has been mentioned, does a right hand spin shuttlecock work better for a left hand person, or right hand for right hand, left for left, or vice versa?.. You know, I think we may have something we can test here?.. it cant be that hard to find left-handed sports equipment, and therefore, left handed shuttlecocks... do they exist?. But then again, forehand or backswing, why doesnt it matter which shot you use?.. TBH, I honestly cant see how it matters so much which way a shuttlecock spins. And now to super-size the myth.... This is sort of a weird idea, take a rifle's rifling and reverse the direction, give that to a competent marksman, does reversing the spin of a bullet put of the shot?.. Can you buy clockwise/anti-clockwise rifling guns anyway?.. or is this going to be make one yourself kind of thing?. the question between a left wing shuttlecock and a right wing shuttlecock is, does it make a difference in the trajectory of the thing? I know different firearms have different rifling, but I don't know of any that have different rifling for the interchangeable barrels. I would suppose a machinist could manufacture rifled sabots for firing slugs out of a smoothbore shotgun barrel; which would let you play with the idea of reversing the rifling - you'd want a gun with a scope, on a benchrest, so you could fire groupings and see if the trajectory changed when you reversed the spin. |
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Post by ponytail61 on May 11, 2017 22:40:25 GMT
This is from Yonex one of the major shuttlecock manufacturers for pro's and Olympics.
"The feathers of a goose or a duck are used
for our shuttlecocks.
The shuttlecock’s feathers do indeed come from a goose or a duck.
The feathers used for producing one shuttlecock are 16 feathers from either
right or left wing. We don’t use feathers from both right and left wings for one
shuttlecock as this affects flight."
As for barrel twist right and left is used, but right twist seems to be more common especially in U.S. manufacturers, Colt being the exception.
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Post by the light works on May 11, 2017 23:23:29 GMT
This is from Yonex one of the major shuttlecock manufacturers for pro's and Olympics. "The feathers of a goose or a duck are used for our shuttlecocks. The shuttlecock’s feathers do indeed come from a goose or a duck. The feathers used for producing one shuttlecock are 16 feathers from either right or left wing. We don’t use feathers from both right and left wings for one shuttlecock as this affects flight." As for barrel twist right and left is used, but right twist seems to be more common especially in U.S. manufacturers, Colt being the exception. so mixing feathers is stated to be bad. that leaves the question of handedness. |
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Post by TheScotchEngineer on Oct 19, 2017 11:39:33 GMT
The trajectory of the shuttle itself on a normal stroke (smash/lobs) is similar enough between a clockwise/anti-clockwise spinning shuttle that it makes no difference to a left/right hander.
On sliced strokes where the player plays a full speed stroke but brushes by the side of the shuttle to induce an unstable flight, more energy is taken out of the shuttle and the result is a drop shot which looked like a smash. On the left winged standard shuttle, the slice played by a right hander turns the shuttle in the direction of the spin, which produces less instability than a left hander doing the same. Therefore it actually advantages the left handed player.
I imagine sticking to one is just for consistency than for superior flight characteristics.
I would expect most people can't tell the difference anyway, so Yonex (or any other manufacturer) can still sell the right winged shuttles to more recreational players, and reserve the left winged shuttles for more competitive play.
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Post by wvengineer on Oct 19, 2017 12:23:52 GMT
Another fly we can mix into the ointment here.
It is stated that they only use left wing feathers to get the spin they want. Can you se right wing feathers that are flipped over in place of left wing feathers?
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