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Post by the light works on Feb 1, 2018 3:52:47 GMT
the myth of a bank robber who blew the safe by depositing a bomb in a bag, which later blew open the safe.
second myth: do dogs match their owners?
so they started by taking 10 dogs and their owners, and assessing them separately, and trying to match them based solely on appearances.
for the safe: step one, blow up an empty safe just to see if it can be done.
then they make miniature plexiglass safes and blow them up with detcord.
dogs, round two: see if a police sketch artist can make a match. dogs round three: let dogless people pick a dog and see how many you can predict.
for the safe, step three: start out with less explosive, then go with even less.
main critique: bank safes are much bigger.
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Post by ironhold on Feb 1, 2018 5:28:55 GMT
Also, with the safe - the opening animation demonstrating the concept showed a safe that had a shelf in the middle. Would a shelf in the middle protect the paper contents in any fashion?
With the pets - who was the female judge? I didn't quite make it back from the commercial break in time and so missed her name & title.
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 1, 2018 10:14:44 GMT
Pets and people. I own jointly a half-husky, as in its a family pet. Only by stating a tall person wouldnt keep a small dog would you predict that I may have a larger dog?. Do "any" of us look half husky?. Only on a bad morning with a bad hair day. And then I have a friend who is part owner of a Jack Russell. He is over 6ft tall, so breaks the rule of tall people big dogs. The dog came to them when a relative became ill, but its now a part of the family. And then I have a relative who is not even close to 5ft tall who keeps a full husky...
So do people resemble the dog?. In some cases, yes, but, then, not definitively?.
Bomb in a safe, "depends on the safe", if the safe is designed to not contain an internal explosion, and its only a small bomb?.
And then the completely relevant question of destruction of everything IN the safe, would there be anything left worth collecting afterwards?.
Sound like an interesting one to watch. But then I must ask, if you had that kind of explosives, why not just blow the lock from the outside?.
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 1, 2018 10:17:37 GMT
Also, with the safe - the opening animation demonstrating the concept showed a safe that had a shelf in the middle. Would a shelf in the middle protect the paper contents in any fashion? With the pets - who was the female judge? I didn't quite make it back from the commercial break in time and so missed her name & title. Super-heat that shelf to the temp of the explosion, is that hotter than Fahrenheit 451?. book by Ray Bradbury where the title is famously quoted as the temp that paper would auto-ignite.
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Post by the light works on Feb 1, 2018 15:10:17 GMT
I also missed the credentials of the female judge.
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Post by the light works on Feb 1, 2018 15:12:11 GMT
Pets and people. I own jointly a half-husky, as in its a family pet. Only by stating a tall person wouldnt keep a small dog would you predict that I may have a larger dog?. Do "any" of us look half husky?. Only on a bad morning with a bad hair day. And then I have a friend who is part owner of a Jack Russell. He is over 6ft tall, so breaks the rule of tall people big dogs. The dog came to them when a relative became ill, but its now a part of the family. And then I have a relative who is not even close to 5ft tall who keeps a full husky... So do people resemble the dog?. In some cases, yes, but, then, not definitively?. Bomb in a safe, "depends on the safe", if the safe is designed to not contain an internal explosion, and its only a small bomb?. And then the completely relevant question of destruction of everything IN the safe, would there be anything left worth collecting afterwards?. Sound like an interesting one to watch. But then I must ask, if you had that kind of explosives, why not just blow the lock from the outside?. because this way the alarm doesn't go off until you've blown the safe? no mention of how you talk the bank teller into putting a ticking bag in their safe without looking inside.
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Post by koshka on Feb 2, 2018 0:50:23 GMT
I also missed the credentials of the female judge. She's a beauty pageant judge. Which was a good match for the male judge's credentials. Overall, I thought the guys did a good job of testing multiple possibilities on the "dogs look like owners" myth. As far as depositing a bomb goes, I suspect the perp would need to know a lot about the safe in question to get the explosive amount just right. Never having worked at a bank or credit union, I don't know how tricky getting that information would be.
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Post by the light works on Feb 2, 2018 0:55:46 GMT
I also missed the credentials of the female judge. She's a beauty pageant judge. Which was a good match for the male judge's credentials. Overall, I thought the guys did a good job of testing multiple possibilities on the "dogs look like owners" myth. As far as depositing a bomb goes, I suspect the perp would need to know a lot about the safe in question to get the explosive amount just right. Never having worked at a bank or credit union, I don't know how tricky getting that information would be. I was satisfied with their thoroughness. as for the safe, every bank I have done business with has had the safe where I could see it. at least the door and what was visible of it from the door. they tend to be about the size of a modest bedroom.
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 2, 2018 8:04:52 GMT
I would still want to know about how secure the surroundings are. There are some famous tales of safe cracking gone wrong during the 70's/80's when my Dad was CSI.. One of them, they tried to crack a safe on the 10th floor of an old factory, got the mix horribly wrong, and cracked the floor joists... Two ton of safe that was only JUST stable on that floor and had been craned in when the building was built, then made a rather predictable downwards journey to the sub-basement of the factory...to the car park... "Legend says" it landed on the roof of the getaway car, but truth be told they didnt park in that car park. But they didnt make it down to the sub basement to collect the safe either....
So on a safe with steel walls, is it "Concreted in" to position with two foot of concrete, or was it just built into a brick walled existing space filling as much as possible, is it a one piece safe, or is it made of pre-formed steel sections bolted into place with predictable fault lines, or is it welded in with very strong stronger than the steel welds. What type of floor, how thick the walls, or, as one case I heard, is it just one heavy door on a brick walled room to give the impression of a full steel safe?. and the heavy door on that one only went to the ceiling, which was a suspended ceiling, so the thief's couldnt believe their luck when all they needed to do was climb over the wall through the ceiling space?.
In the case of one instillation of a rather heavy steel lift shaft that was almost safe like quality in its strength, a demolition crew decided to demo the whole building but leave the lift shaft standing, and have a separate wrecking crew do that as a one time recovery of steel for reclamation. Even after the building went down, the steel lift shaft was rather stable, and resisted several attempts to pull it over... they eventually had to weaken it with some cutting torch work to get it to fall.
On the blowing of a safe, if its a rather big walk in safe, with solid build, if its not air-tight in any way, just person proof, then getting a large enough explosion to be contained enough to cause the safe door or walls to fail?. Thats some heavy bang right there isnt it?. Not exactly just a "small" bag of C4?.
I will watch the show and get back to you on that.
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Post by the light works on Feb 2, 2018 11:36:52 GMT
I would still want to know about how secure the surroundings are. There are some famous tales of safe cracking gone wrong during the 70's/80's when my Dad was CSI.. One of them, they tried to crack a safe on the 10th floor of an old factory, got the mix horribly wrong, and cracked the floor joists... Two ton of safe that was only JUST stable on that floor and had been craned in when the building was built, then made a rather predictable downwards journey to the sub-basement of the factory...to the car park... "Legend says" it landed on the roof of the getaway car, but truth be told they didnt park in that car park. But they didnt make it down to the sub basement to collect the safe either.... So on a safe with steel walls, is it "Concreted in" to position with two foot of concrete, or was it just built into a brick walled existing space filling as much as possible, is it a one piece safe, or is it made of pre-formed steel sections bolted into place with predictable fault lines, or is it welded in with very strong stronger than the steel welds. What type of floor, how thick the walls, or, as one case I heard, is it just one heavy door on a brick walled room to give the impression of a full steel safe?. and the heavy door on that one only went to the ceiling, which was a suspended ceiling, so the thief's couldnt believe their luck when all they needed to do was climb over the wall through the ceiling space?. In the case of one instillation of a rather heavy steel lift shaft that was almost safe like quality in its strength, a demolition crew decided to demo the whole building but leave the lift shaft standing, and have a separate wrecking crew do that as a one time recovery of steel for reclamation. Even after the building went down, the steel lift shaft was rather stable, and resisted several attempts to pull it over... they eventually had to weaken it with some cutting torch work to get it to fall. On the blowing of a safe, if its a rather big walk in safe, with solid build, if its not air-tight in any way, just person proof, then getting a large enough explosion to be contained enough to cause the safe door or walls to fail?. Thats some heavy bang right there isnt it?. Not exactly just a "small" bag of C4?. I will watch the show and get back to you on that. and as I said, they brought their safe into the bomb range on a had truck (dolly), while all of the bank safe I have seen, the door was bigger, but the scientific process was still interesting.
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 3, 2018 9:11:00 GMT
and as I said, they brought their safe into the bomb range on a had truck (dolly), while all of the bank safe I have seen, the door was bigger, but the scientific process was still interesting. Is that we "had" a truck, now we have some free-range spare parts?..,
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Post by the light works on Feb 3, 2018 15:06:43 GMT
and as I said, they brought their safe into the bomb range on a had truck (dolly), while all of the bank safe I have seen, the door was bigger, but the scientific process was still interesting. Is that we "had" a truck, now we have some free-range spare parts?.., as in, "That's no a safe... THIS is a safe."
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 4, 2018 9:01:22 GMT
Is that we "had" a truck, now we have some free-range spare parts?.., as in, "That's no a safe... THIS is a safe." Bit of an over-the-top reaction for just a bike shed isnt it?. BTW, Your Scots accent is getting better... but the "thats" is more of a "thars"?..
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Post by the light works on Feb 4, 2018 15:24:29 GMT
as in, "That's no a safe... THIS is a safe." Bit of an over-the-top reaction for just a bike shed isnt it?. BTW, Your Scots accent is getting better... but the "thats" is more of a "thars"?.. I understand the safe was already there.
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 8, 2018 6:05:56 GMT
Aired here last night in UK. Dogs Vs Owners, looked like fun, and I have to agree, myth busted, dogs do not "always" look a bit like their owners, in truth, nothing like their owners at all. Bank safe Vs Explosives, he wanted to know if the line "Do you think you used enough dynamite there" was relevant... Yes, but also the line "No no no no, your only supposed to blow the bloody doors off" by Michael Cane in the film The Italian job would have been a much much better line?. This brings up another myth from a book by Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451[<-link] Where Fahrenheit 451 is "Supposedly" the temp at which Paper starts to burn, the lads sort of stated that the temp the paper in the safe would start to burn would be nearer 600degF, so which is true, what we saw on the show [no brainer, the paper statted to burn] or 451degF as stated by Ray Bradbury?. Either way, the fact that the paper did not burn due to the speed of the blast, "you were not expecting that were you", and neither was I, because I truly thought that the paper would have been toast. I still wonder just how low they could have gone and not destroyed the safe and only just popped the door off. But unless you start from not enough to blow a budgerigar's nose, or make a stoat sneeze, and work up, I suppose there are only so many safes you can damage before you find out?. Either way, myth well and truly confirmed, you could blow the safe, perhaps use up all the O 2 inside, which also prevents burning, and collect the contents... perhaps just enough extra to blow out a wooden wall for access?.
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Post by the light works on Feb 8, 2018 15:04:33 GMT
Aired here last night in UK. Dogs Vs Owners, looked like fun, and I have to agree, myth busted, dogs do not "always" look a bit like their owners, in truth, nothing like their owners at all. Bank safe Vs Explosives, he wanted to know if the line "Do you think you used enough dynamite there" was relevant... Yes, but also the line "No no no no, your only supposed to blow the bloody doors off" by Michael Cane in the film The Italian job would have been a much much better line?. This brings up another myth from a book by Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451[<-link] Where Fahrenheit 451 is "Supposedly" the temp at which Paper starts to burn, the lads sort of stated that the temp the paper in the safe would start to burn would be nearer 600degF, so which is true, what we saw on the show [no brainer, the paper statted to burn] or 451degF as stated by Ray Bradbury?. Either way, the fact that the paper did not burn due to the speed of the blast, "you were not expecting that were you", and neither was I, because I truly thought that the paper would have been toast. I still wonder just how low they could have gone and not destroyed the safe and only just popped the door off. But unless you start from not enough to blow a budgerigar's nose, or make a stoat sneeze, and work up, I suppose there are only so many safes you can damage before you find out?. Either way, myth well and truly confirmed, you could blow the safe, perhaps use up all the O 2 inside, which also prevents burning, and collect the contents... perhaps just enough extra to blow out a wooden wall for access?. keep in mind currency "paper" is not the same material as book paper. so farenheit 451 could still be a minimyth. I also agree they may have been able to pop the door with even less explosive. but I knew that in a fast explosion paper will not burn - especially closely bundled paper. one has only to look at firecrackers to see that. they are made out of paper and turn into confetti.
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