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Post by wvengineer on May 1, 2018 5:11:24 GMT
I wasn't planning to see this, but I got a free copy of it with my Vudu account. So at least I didn't have to pay for it.
The biggest problem is that is just is not very funny. I did chuckle a few times, but they were few and far between. Most of them revolved around the clueless but good looking secretary guy.
The plot was rather disjointed. It felt less like a fully scripted movie and more like a weird rip off of Monty Python's Holy Grail.* This movie felt like a series of sketch comedy routines with a loose plot to give a reason for them to exist in the order they do. Many of these sketches just seam out of place for the world that they have setup. I get the feeling like they came up with the various sketches first and then wrote the plot around them.
The other problem is the villain is not scary or even interesting. Again, it felt tacked on and underdeveloped. It got the the way of the main characters fooling around and mugging for the camera.
It's defiantly not good, but isn't as bad as some make it out to be. In the end, it's boring. Given what it is trying to live up it, it's just sad that boring is all I can really say about it.
*I do beg forgiveness from the gods of cinema for mentioning Python in the same sentence as this Ghostbusters. It is a great blaspheme. I am more referring to structural style of the two. I will now go visit Castle Anthrax for my proper punishment.
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Post by silverdragon on May 1, 2018 10:13:11 GMT
I have enquired of the Spanish branch of inquisitions, [-dont mention their Red uniforms], I was invited to sit on the couch, which you are traditionally required to refuse three times before taking a seat on the Wing-back chair at its side, and they have informed me that they have no problems with your glorious mention, in that you did do it in a way that promotes "Nothing is as funny as Monty Python" way, which I assured them you did. I have to mention that sitting in a room that is 200 shades of various Red Orange and Cream, can be disquieting, take a set of blue sunshades with you to quieten the glare is you are invited. But DO NOT in any way make mention of the red decor, its not their choice, its in their contract, its not that they will take it bad if you do mention it, its just they have more complaints that you can get on a wet Saturday in london with a chance of snow showers at Easter time?. They can keep you for half an hour just complaining about the red desks on a similar red carpet when you dont know where the desk ends and the carpet begins.
Onwards. I did try to warn you, this film is a lot less than promised in the watching, it promises the earth and delivers something not quite the moon but very similar, as if someone had asked the refreshment machine on the Heart Of Gold to replicate it?. Normality will be resumed when we work out exactly what it is in the first place. Updates installing, 99%, normality is 0.0000001:1 and rising.
You will have to excuse me for this quite off the record post that misses the film by at least 10 light years, I cant find anything good to say about it, therefore, I aint saying anything, but its a shame to waste the space, and the ESM has started to overflow down here on the lower floors?.
However, I have had a request to enshrine the film in room 101 from an outside viewer, if you wish to propose it for that award, I will not object.
Just a quick question first... OK, so it was free, but, if you had had to pay for it, say $5 in your American dollars, on a scale of 10 being worth the money to 1 being you would have taken it back and demanded a refund, just how much between that did you feel the experience lied?. With 5 being "well that passed the time on a boring sunday afternoon when you have had as many baths you can usefully have in one day and are bored", to actually feeling ripped off for the time you have lost in watching it?.
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Post by the light works on May 1, 2018 13:59:08 GMT
I have enquired of the Spanish branch of inquisitions, [-dont mention their Red uniforms], I was invited to sit on the couch, which you are traditionally required to refuse three times before taking a seat on the Wing-back chair at its side, and they have informed me that they have no problems with your glorious mention, in that you did do it in a way that promotes "Nothing is as funny as Monty Python" way, which I assured them you did. I have to mention that sitting in a room that is 200 shades of various Red Orange and Cream, can be disquieting, take a set of blue sunshades with you to quieten the glare is you are invited. But DO NOT in any way make mention of the red decor, its not their choice, its in their contract, its not that they will take it bad if you do mention it, its just they have more complaints that you can get on a wet Saturday in london with a chance of snow showers at Easter time?. They can keep you for half an hour just complaining about the red desks on a similar red carpet when you dont know where the desk ends and the carpet begins. Onwards. I did try to warn you, this film is a lot less than promised in the watching, it promises the earth and delivers something not quite the moon but very similar, as if someone had asked the refreshment machine on the Heart Of Gold to replicate it?. Normality will be resumed when we work out exactly what it is in the first place. Updates installing, 99%, normality is 0.0000001:1 and rising. You will have to excuse me for this quite off the record post that misses the film by at least 10 light years, I cant find anything good to say about it, therefore, I aint saying anything, but its a shame to waste the space, and the ESM has started to overflow down here on the lower floors?. However, I have had a request to enshrine the film in room 101 from an outside viewer, if you wish to propose it for that award, I will not object. Just a quick question first...OK, so it was free, but, if you had had to pay for it, say $5 in your American dollars, on a scale of 10 being worth the money to 1 being you would have taken it back and demanded a refund, just how much between that did you feel the experience lied?. With 5 being "well that passed the time on a boring sunday afternoon when you have had as many baths you can usefully have in one day and are bored", to actually feeling ripped off for the time you have lost in watching it?. for my part, I also didn't pay money for it, and felt I got my money's worth. more to the point, I didn't shut it off or go find a book - which I HAVE done on some other movies, some of them with higher critic reviews, audience ratings, or statues of little gold men.
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Post by ironhold on May 1, 2018 16:00:24 GMT
Really, everything comes back to director Paul Feig.
Feig didn't understand that the recipe for a good "Ghostbusters" installment is "1 pound fantasy, 1/2 pound technobabble, 1/2 pound adventure, season with humor to taste." Instead, he gave us "1 pound humor - store brand, 1/2 pound political awareness, 2 ounces fantasy."
Both Ivan Reitman and Dan Aykroid had expressed a desire to get back in the saddle for the film, and Aykroid himself even tried to help Feig with much-needed advice. But Feig had been given a blank check to do as he saw fit, and he wasn't going to listen to anybody. The $140 million budget? $40 million of that was re-shoots because Feig ignored Aykroid's advice until such time as the test screenings confirmed that Aykroid had been right.
Feig let his ego get in the way of reality, and it blinded him to the fact that he really didn't know what he was doing.
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Post by silverdragon on May 2, 2018 7:21:16 GMT
I have enquired of the Spanish branch of inquisitions, [-dont mention their Red uniforms], for my part, I also didn't pay money for it, and felt I got my money's worth. more to the point, I didn't shut it off or go find a book - which I HAVE done on some other movies, some of them with higher critic reviews, audience ratings, or statues of little gold men. I have been made aware of the term "Oscar Bait", and it fits rather well, into what I understand, as a genre of film thats sole design is to attract gold statues, and not a lot else. I find the more gold men the less liable I am to enjoy any part of the film. Therefore, its a rather good measure to use. One is maybe ok-ish, two is probable concern, three is suspect concern, four is definite concern, any more is just dont even think of trying to get me interested.
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Post by the light works on May 2, 2018 13:50:46 GMT
for my part, I also didn't pay money for it, and felt I got my money's worth. more to the point, I didn't shut it off or go find a book - which I HAVE done on some other movies, some of them with higher critic reviews, audience ratings, or statues of little gold men. I have been made aware of the term "Oscar Bait", and it fits rather well, into what I understand, as a genre of film thats sole design is to attract gold statues, and not a lot else. I find the more gold men the less liable I am to enjoy any part of the film. Therefore, its a rather good measure to use. One is maybe ok-ish, two is probable concern, three is suspect concern, four is definite concern, any more is just dont even think of trying to get me interested. if it is a contender for best picture, I usually don't give it a second look. the other awards, may or may not be of relevance. but yes, there was one winner that I made it about 15 minutes in and got a book - and of the runner up, I was told, "don't bother with it, it's lame"
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Post by mrfatso on May 2, 2018 13:51:54 GMT
for my part, I also didn't pay money for it, and felt I got my money's worth. more to the point, I didn't shut it off or go find a book - which I HAVE done on some other movies, some of them with higher critic reviews, audience ratings, or statues of little gold men. I have been made aware of the term "Oscar Bait", and it fits rather well, into what I understand, as a genre of film thats sole design is to attract gold statues, and not a lot else. I find the more gold men the less liable I am to enjoy any part of the film. Therefore, its a rather good measure to use. One is maybe ok-ish, two is probable concern, three is suspect concern, four is definite concern, any more is just dont even think of trying to get me interested. As much as I did not like Ghostbusters it was trying to be a popcorn movie, it just did not do that very well. "Oscar Bait" is a term more for films like Monsters Ball, about a White Prison Guard that has an affair with African-American wife of the prisoner he executed (Halle Berry won for that one, another would be BrokeBack Mountain. Take a controversial issue like race or sexuality, add some emotions Oscar bait, Gnostbuster lacked that certain je nois sees quoi of an Oscar bait film.
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Post by the light works on May 2, 2018 14:49:40 GMT
I have been made aware of the term "Oscar Bait", and it fits rather well, into what I understand, as a genre of film thats sole design is to attract gold statues, and not a lot else. I find the more gold men the less liable I am to enjoy any part of the film. Therefore, its a rather good measure to use. One is maybe ok-ish, two is probable concern, three is suspect concern, four is definite concern, any more is just dont even think of trying to get me interested. As much as I did not like Ghostbusters it was trying to be a popcorn movie, it just did not do that very well. "Oscar Bait" is a term more for films like Monsters Ball, about a White Prison Guard that has an affair with African-American wife of the prisoner he executed (Halle Berry won for that one, another would be BrokeBack Mountain. Take a controversial issue like race or sexuality, add some emotions Oscar bait, Gnostbuster lacked that certain je nois sees quoi of an Oscar bait film. I believe the term you are looking for is "pandering to pop activism"
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Post by ironhold on May 2, 2018 15:04:52 GMT
I keep having to tell people that I rarely pay attention to "Best Picture", as half the films in a given year are ones that didn't open locally; they were only screened in bigger cities, if at all outside of California & NYC.
Of the rest? I ended up skipping half because I figured something else would be the stronger film based on trailers and early information.
So there's maybe 2 - 4 nominations I've actually seen, and it's rare for them to impress me.
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Post by silverdragon on May 3, 2018 6:26:38 GMT
I cant actually remember if I have seen any film that got a gold statue in the last 20 yrs. Thats how little it means to me. Its hardly like we ever watch the big show for them anyway if its on teevee, even if we did, its never a case of us taking notes to plan or next film by their score, news of "The film won half a dozen statues" would attract comments of "Thats one to miss then isnt it". BAFTA, British Arts and Film ans TeeVee awards... has a category for best foreign language film? If its Gaelic or welsh, it aint foreign, BRITISH, so why is a foreign film getting a Brit award?.
But then on watching the "Britain got talent" show, how many foreigners get onto that stage?. And how does it feel for the best Britain can get to get beaten by a bunch of foreigners and then a Dog?.
But back to gold statues and the like. What is the point of making the award if its to films that no one wants to see, barely even break even in box office, and are forgotten by the year after?.
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Post by mrfatso on May 3, 2018 7:19:55 GMT
There are some Oscar winners in the past 20 years such as Gladiator, and Lord of the Rings Return of the King that have won best picture and are popular movies as well, not everything is Oscar bait. I am willing to bet you have seen at least one of those.
But there is an element of the film industry using such awards as a way of legitimising themselves as an art form.
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Post by the light works on May 3, 2018 10:59:14 GMT
most awards groups are insiders gathering to pat each other on the back, and the character of the winners gives insight into the character of the insiders. as one of the ten rules of the theatre states, "never underestimate the bad taste of the artistically pretentious."
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Post by ironhold on May 3, 2018 15:34:43 GMT
most awards groups are insiders gathering to pat each other on the back, and the character of the winners gives insight into the character of the insiders. as one of the ten rules of the theatre states, "never underestimate the bad taste of the artistically pretentious." Agreed. This is generally regarded as why animated works were shoved off into a separate "Best Animated Picture" category to keep them from competing in any other category aside from music, and why foreign animated films almost never win in that category regardless of how good they actually are.
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Post by silverdragon on May 4, 2018 6:39:24 GMT
There are some Oscar winners in the past 20 years such as Gladiator, and Lord of the Rings Return of the King that have won best picture and are popular movies as well, not everything is Oscar bait. I am willing to bet you have seen at least one of those. But there is an element of the film industry using such awards as a way of legitimising themselves as an art form. OK, So I can give you that, I have seen the Tolkien films, but I didnt know they had won any awards, it probably says so on the DVD, but maybe I got them before they won the award?. But anyway, I read the books over 40 yrs ago almost "As they came out" in paperback, still have them somewhere, so seeing the film of the book was of course secondary to reading the book on that one. Maybe there are some films I have seen that either won after I saw them or I just didnt care, I dont remember any, because its not that important, on choosing a film, its have they got it, price, do we watch at home with family or Cinema, and by them we have usually chosen a new film thats just come out that we been waiting to see, Deadpool 2 is on the list, dont care for any awards, they dont matter, we Will see that film as soon as it hits DVD, for the simple reason when we are crying with laughter we can pause it and replay in glorious slow-mo some of the better bits?.. Well, I hope anyway... But this is our family attitude to films, we do take notice of Ironholds recommendation, because he will tell it like it is, if he says its lame, I can guarantee other people will be saying the same eventually, but he either doesnt have any pet hates, like some certain reviewer I wont mention hating all car chase films like need for speed etc just because they can, or doesnt review then anyway, so thats the best way. On note here, I cannot review any film with Huge Jacka$$, sorry, Hugh Jackson in it, without making mention that the bumbling fool he plays in almost all his films are exactly what he is like in real life so that isnt acting, he couldnt act his way out of avoiding the rent collector at the front door, and as you can see, if I had to review a film he was in, I would spoil it by taking the rise outa him, so that why I dont do film reviews in general, and the last one I tried to do upset Cyber, not on purpose, I wouldnt do that, but my mistake. So this is why reviews have to be unbiased fair to everyone and honest. At the moment if you are of a racial minority, Female, LGBT gay, or a mix of all three, especially of all three plus a back story of some disability that you have "Overcome", get all of that then its almost a certainty that you will attract a gold statue of some description?. And then there are the "Back-handers", the bungs, the jobs for "the boys", [-: as in "Mates rates" between people in the trade] and the almost certainly that anything a certain producer does will be an award winner because if he dont win he dont pay and him paying for a ticket will attract hundreds of people wanting to get seen by him to your award ceremony, and you have a big in-crowd party that is only because all these people are vacant lots looking to attract their next paycheck. Unfortunately the business of its not what you know but who you know, and then what you know about who you know, makes the wheels of this pile of crud glitterati circus roll, and the sound of thousands of pictures being taken on that red carpet of anyone who wants to be in this business is just the sound of one more click off the total number of clicks you can get from one shutter assembly before it nees replacement, because of 10,000 pictures taken on one night, maybe one or two will hit the headline of each newspaper, less than 0.01% will be of any interest to anyone, and next week you will need a new storage facility for the next award, and all of that is last weeks news. Meh, if I had a ticket, would I attend?. Maybe just long enough to collect any award I was told to be there for, so make it an early one, and then I am off, out the side door I came in, the tradesman entrance, because if I have to stand there and answer questions so banal about what breakfast cereal I eat and why I didnt admit I was a fan of some blethering ijurt I would probably snot one of them paps for being a twit?. Or phone in an acceptance speech and send someone else who wants to be there to collect it?. But the likelihood of a retired truck driver/Landlord/'lec tech being called up for one of them awards are about as thin as finding fossilised rocking horse manure, Coprolites, so all that is bunkum then.
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Post by wvengineer on May 9, 2018 2:27:36 GMT
Ghostbusters 2016 is defiantly not an Oscar-bait film. I think they were hoping it would be ore of a franchise-bait or at least a sequel-bait film. If nothing else, it looks like those ideas are dead and buried.
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Post by ironhold on May 9, 2018 6:15:50 GMT
Yeah; the plan was to make a multi-media franchise of it. But the film tanked beyond recovery, and the company behind the tie-in video game took one look at the returns and declared bankruptcy.
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Post by wvengineer on May 9, 2018 22:54:37 GMT
I played the videogame. It was not very good.
The game play was awkward, the cinematic were basically comic books, not actual full motion rendered (or even pre-rendered) video. There are several menu options that don't do anything, like there was supposed to be content that got cut and cutpoorly. Game play got repetitive fast.
At least I only paid $10 for it on sale on STEAM. MSRP is/was $60. That is the same price for AAA level games like Mass Effect or Call of Duty. That asking price is a MAJOR rip off. What is worse, I thought I was getting the 2009 Ghostbusters game. That one is well reviewed. I should have done my homework better.
I would actually say that the movie is more enjoyable than the tie in video game.
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Post by ironhold on May 10, 2018 3:17:58 GMT
Sony went all-out trying to promote the film, which is part of why they ate such a massive loss.
There was actually a promotion going at one point where if you bought certain brands of cereal you'd get some toy inside the box *and* three free episodes of the 1980s cartoon via download. Each "free" episode would have been $2 plus tax on iTunes, and so Sony was pitching more in freebies than the box of cereal cost.
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Post by silverdragon on May 10, 2018 6:56:10 GMT
Part of the reason the Ghostbusters remake tanked, was the inability to keep up with the original cast, who made a bad film good. The original film without the comedy talents of the stars would have tanked. They took a blatantly cheesy script and ordered extra cheese. They almost broke the forth wall in the first fim, they went all out to break it in the second, but the remake just didnt have a wall to break.
Then ther was all that controversy that if you didnt immediately "like" the film you were a sexist misogynistic pig, and the ultimate abandonment of that discussion by sensible people who just didnt want that argument and were happy enough to just walk away from it.
Audiences do not like being ordered to think in a certain way, whatever the topic is. And being told it was a strike for all feminists, with or without their permission, kinda riled up even some of the people who were "supposed" to support it.
And then there was the fact that the script was just a pile of loosely jointed sketches that were only just segwayed together, and that script should have been resigned to a crypt, and then people realised that even if you did "support the cause", it was a bloody awful film, and you could quite easily say that, because it was, and then the whole tide of argument just stopped dead, because people had better things to do, like share photo's of kats on der interwebz....#cute.... Some basic resistance to being told you were yesteryears news still remains in the lower reaches of the internets, but you can ignore that, it doesnt need your participation.
So in all, it was a terrible film, it had a bad cause attached, it annoyed people, it was a craze, it died a lame death, almost as spectacular as Waterworld, but it tanked. It will have its own space in Room 101 reserved for life, just as soon as we can work out how to get something that large of a tank through the vault doors.
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Post by the light works on May 10, 2018 7:57:00 GMT
Part of the reason the Ghostbusters remake tanked, was the inability to keep up with the original cast, who made a bad film good. The original film without the comedy talents of the stars would have tanked. They took a blatantly cheesy script and ordered extra cheese. They almost broke the forth wall in the first fim, they went all out to break it in the second, but the remake just didnt have a wall to break. Then ther was all that controversy that if you didnt immediately "like" the film you were a sexist misogynistic pig, and the ultimate abandonment of that discussion by sensible people who just didnt want that argument and were happy enough to just walk away from it. Audiences do not like being ordered to think in a certain way, whatever the topic is. And being told it was a strike for all feminists, with or without their permission, kinda riled up even some of the people who were "supposed" to support it. And then there was the fact that the script was just a pile of loosely jointed sketches that were only just segwayed together, and that script should have been resigned to a crypt, and then people realised that even if you did "support the cause", it was a bloody awful film, and you could quite easily say that, because it was, and then the whole tide of argument just stopped dead, because people had better things to do, like share photo's of kats on der interwebz....#cute.... Some basic resistance to being told you were yesteryears news still remains in the lower reaches of the internets, but you can ignore that, it doesnt need your participation. So in all, it was a terrible film, it had a bad cause attached, it annoyed people, it was a craze, it died a lame death, almost as spectacular as Waterworld, but it tanked. It will have its own space in Room 101 reserved for life, just as soon as we can work out how to get something that large of a tank through the vault doors. I actually liked dances with fish.
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