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Post by the light works on Jul 17, 2019 15:22:08 GMT
this is a new show on the science channel. the basic premise is "could we build this great structure with what we know, today?"
episode one refers to the pyramids of Giza.
my very first critique is that they don't seem to be looking at it from a perspective of "can we duplicate their construction?" it seems to be a perspective to "how much can we change the parameters?" the egyptians made the pyramids on bedrock - so let's build a foundation. the egyptians made the pyramids out of limestone - so let's use granite. the egyptian craftsmen essentially got room and board - so let's pay them top dollar. the egyptians built on government owned land - so let's buy our land at speculator rates.
all in all - they spent more time on tangents than on the logistics of building a pyramid.
next week, the brooklyn bridge. let's see what they change on that.
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 18, 2019 7:54:34 GMT
this is a new show on the science channel. the basic premise is "could we build this great structure with what we know, today?" episode one refers to the pyramids of Giza. my very first critique is that they don't seem to be looking at it from a perspective of "can we duplicate their construction?" it seems to be a perspective to "how much can we change the parameters?" the egyptians made the pyramids on bedrock - so let's build a foundation. the egyptians made the pyramids out of limestone - so let's use granite. the egyptian craftsmen essentially got room and board - so let's pay them top dollar. the egyptians built on government owned land - so let's buy our land at speculator rates. all in all - they spent more time on tangents than on the logistics of building a pyramid. next week, the brooklyn bridge. let's see what they change on that. Could we build it today..... Yes Would we use the same construction methods and lack of safety concerns and building regulations no.
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Post by the light works on Jul 18, 2019 14:14:48 GMT
this is a new show on the science channel. the basic premise is "could we build this great structure with what we know, today?" episode one refers to the pyramids of Giza. my very first critique is that they don't seem to be looking at it from a perspective of "can we duplicate their construction?" it seems to be a perspective to "how much can we change the parameters?" the egyptians made the pyramids on bedrock - so let's build a foundation. the egyptians made the pyramids out of limestone - so let's use granite. the egyptian craftsmen essentially got room and board - so let's pay them top dollar. the egyptians built on government owned land - so let's buy our land at speculator rates. all in all - they spent more time on tangents than on the logistics of building a pyramid. next week, the brooklyn bridge. let's see what they change on that. Could we build it today..... Yes Would we use the same construction methods and lack of safety concerns and building regulations no. not wanting to abandon safe work practices, but let's at least talk about how pyramids are put together.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jul 18, 2019 14:49:00 GMT
Could we build it today..... Yes Would we use the same construction methods and lack of safety concerns and building regulations no. not wanting to abandon safe work practices, but let's at least talk about how pyramids are put together. Could we build it today? Of course we could. I'm more interested in how they built it back then without all the modern tools and equipment.
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Post by the light works on Jul 18, 2019 14:58:36 GMT
not wanting to abandon safe work practices, but let's at least talk about how pyramids are put together. Could we build it today? Of course we could. I'm more interested in how they built it back then without all the modern tools and equipment. compared to all the alien believers who think we couldn't build these things with modern technology. "but we don't have a crane that can lift the stonehenge stones" - umm... those stones only weigh 25 tons. there are tow trucks that can lift them.
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Post by wvengineer on Jul 19, 2019 16:57:00 GMT
Could we build it today? Of course we could. I'm more interested in how they built it back then without all the modern tools and equipment. compared to all the alien believers who think we couldn't build these things with modern technology. "but we don't have a crane that can lift the stonehenge stones" - umm... those stones only weigh 25 tons. there are tow trucks that can lift them. 25T is small these days for cranes. Just Looking at one company, their all terrain cranes start at 50T and go up to 450T. www.manitowoccranes.com/en/cranes/grove/grove-products/all-terrainHere's one with a 2,300T capacity and a 360Ft boom reach. That will pick up the entire Stone Henge and a big chuck of a pyramid all in one go. www.manitowoccranes.com/en/cranes/manitowoc/crawler-cranes/lattice-boom-crawlers/31000
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Post by the light works on Jul 20, 2019 0:43:18 GMT
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Post by the light works on Jul 24, 2019 14:26:02 GMT
the Brooklyn Bridge: okay, so this is a "what would we do if we were doing something similar to this." the brooklyn bridge was built to accommodate six times the anticipated traffic load for the time it was built - so their theme was they were going to make two automotive traffic only bridges with the same total capacity as the BB, and then turn the vehicle lanes of the brooklyn bridge into greenspace. again, heavy on speculation and tangents, and light on construction.
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Post by the light works on Aug 4, 2019 14:25:24 GMT
the colosseum: I am becoming less impressed by the writing for the show. yes we can build a colosseum we've kind of demonstrated that.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 5, 2019 6:29:27 GMT
the colosseum: I am becoming less impressed by the writing for the show. yes we can build a colosseum we've kind of demonstrated that. So they've never seen a sports stadium before or they assume the audience hasn't?
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Post by the light works on Aug 5, 2019 14:13:03 GMT
the colosseum: I am becoming less impressed by the writing for the show. yes we can build a colosseum we've kind of demonstrated that. So they've never seen a sports stadium before or they assume the audience hasn't? oh, they pretty much said up front that we have much bigger sports stadiums than the colosseum. they approach their subjects kind of like they are looking at their dream project. so it wasn't, can we recreate the colosseum, it's how would we build our dream stadium. and on that topic: Noah's Ark. from the very beginning - nobody mentioned that ark means box, and there is no indication anyone in that era knew what a boat was. the episode spent a lot of time name checking the other tourist arks, and again, precious little time on the engineering and logistics. they also mentioned that having a small selection of genetic source material can lead to an inbred population with hereditary genetic problems - but not that theologically, the population was still so young, there wasn't a lot of genetic diversity at that time, anyway - marrying within the extended family was still the norm, and humans were not meat eaters, yet. they did mention that they weren't bringing every subspecies of animal onboard, though.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 5, 2019 18:46:32 GMT
The oldest boats date to the neolithic period some 8000 BC. The oldest known sea going craft from 7000 BC.
The story of Noah's ark is likely to come from earlier Mesopotamian flood stories dating to around 2000 BC.
The first large wooden boats known were the 'Uru' boats, which are still being made in parts of the world, which were used to trade between India and Mesopotamia. Dating their original appearance to around 3000 BC.
So yes, anyone living circa 2000 BC in that part of the world would most likely be aware of what a boat was if they lived anywhere near the sea or a major river.
The oldest known example of Homo Sapiens is some 315,000 years ago, or 311,000 years before the rough period from which the story comes. There is evidence that the human population fell to around 15,000 individuals around 75,000 years ago...which is still some 71,000 years or 2,367 generations before the time of the story.
Humans have ALWAYS been omnivores and thus eaten meat. Heck, Chimps will happily hunt down and kill smaller monkeys for meat today. Pigs were first domesticated around 13,000 BC, so around 9,000 years before the story, and since pigs are bread purely for meat that means humans were eating pork at least that long, and presumably far longer for them to have decided to domesticate them in the first place.
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 5, 2019 19:17:03 GMT
It’s all about the bacon
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 5, 2019 21:05:22 GMT
Yummmmm Bacon. Pigs have large litters compared to other domesticated animals like cows and sheep, their population grows quickly.
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Post by the light works on Aug 6, 2019 3:23:51 GMT
The oldest boats date to the neolithic period some 8000 BC. The oldest known sea going craft from 7000 BC. The story of Noah's ark is likely to come from earlier Mesopotamian flood stories dating to around 2000 BC. The first large wooden boats known were the 'Uru' boats, which are still being made in parts of the world, which were used to trade between India and Mesopotamia. Dating their original appearance to around 3000 BC. So yes, anyone living circa 2000 BC in that part of the world would most likely be aware of what a boat was if they lived anywhere near the sea or a major river. The oldest known example of Homo Sapiens is some 315,000 years ago, or 311,000 years before the rough period from which the story comes. There is evidence that the human population fell to around 15,000 individuals around 75,000 years ago...which is still some 71,000 years or 2,367 generations before the time of the story. Humans have ALWAYS been omnivores and thus eaten meat. Heck, Chimps will happily hunt down and kill smaller monkeys for meat today. Pigs were first domesticated around 13,000 BC, so around 9,000 years before the story, and since pigs are bread purely for meat that means humans were eating pork at least that long, and presumably far longer for them to have decided to domesticate them in the first place. if one is doing the biblical ark story, then one must needs base one's assumptions on biblical timelines. according to biblical timelines, noah didn't know what a boat was, and God didn't tell mankind to eat meat until after the flood. - and it wasn't until Moses that God told them to stop marrying within the family. note also that according to the biblical timeline, rain may well have been unheard of, as well. - there is a passage that implied there was lots of groundwater instead of rain.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 6, 2019 7:03:16 GMT
If that is the case then it becomes something untestable since you either have to consider it pure fantasy (magic basically) or 100% true and therefore confirmed as possible.
In order to test this in any form you have to look at it from a science and historical view; The most likely period the events took place in, the technology of that period and so forth.
Clearly the showrunners involved are not approaching the show that way nor from the sound of it focusing on the core historical and scientific aspects of the 'ideas'. That makes it far less interesting to those who would be most interested in such a premise.
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Post by the light works on Aug 6, 2019 14:04:15 GMT
If that is the case then it becomes something untestable since you either have to consider it pure fantasy (magic basically) or 100% true and therefore confirmed as possible. In order to test this in any form you have to look at it from a science and historical view; The most likely period the events took place in, the technology of that period and so forth. Clearly the showrunners involved are not approaching the show that way nor from the sound of it focusing on the core historical and scientific aspects of the 'ideas'. That makes it far less interesting to those who would be most interested in such a premise. I thought I'd already made it clear that the showrunners are approaching it from the way of "what if we wanted to make something vaguely similar in form, function, or coolness and weren't bound by any constraints that we didn't make up, ourselves?" really, even if it gets picked up for another season, I expect I'll be deleting the timer after this season. it's just not THAT interesting.
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Post by wvengineer on Aug 6, 2019 22:39:28 GMT
they also mentioned that having a small selection of genetic source material can lead to an inbred population with hereditary genetic problems - but not that theologically, the population was still so young, there wasn't a lot of genetic diversity at that time, anyway - marrying within the extended family was still the norm, and humans were not meat eaters, yet. they did mention that they weren't bringing every subspecies of animal onboard, though. What I remember from my anthropology classes in college is that humans started eating meat around 150,000 years ago. This extra protein in their diet is what enabled the development of larger and more complex brain structures that we have today. Humans have been omnivores ever since.
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Post by the light works on Sept 20, 2019 13:51:51 GMT
the timer has been deleted and the three most recent episodes were deleted unwatched.
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Post by wvengineer on Sept 20, 2019 17:42:05 GMT
Enjoy something better instead. There is always Ancient Aliens of you haven't beat your head against the wall enough.
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