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Post by maxman on Nov 26, 2012 23:57:23 GMT
Among other horrible decisions by the ATF (banning an airsoft AR-15 replica springs to mind).
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Nov 28, 2012 21:38:35 GMT
Hiring B&B would go to say they have standards...
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Post by ronbo6 on Dec 7, 2012 20:42:14 GMT
Ridiculous? Certainly.
Any person with reasonable woodworking skills could make a functioning lower receiver for an AR 15 from a chunk of hardwood (and a few common or homemade metal bushings).
In the case of an AR15, it is the lower receiver (and the parts it can accept) that defines it as a machine gun.
Stay tuned for the ATF's pending ban on 2 X 4's.
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Post by oscardeuce on Apr 1, 2013 4:29:05 GMT
An AR-15 is a semi auto firearm. It is NOT a Class 3 select fire weapon unless you have a registered drop in autosear. In that case the autosear itself is the serialized registered NFA item.
I do not know of any registered receiver AR-15's. all I have seen are either M-16 or M-4. There may be a few out there converted before May 1986, I just have not seen any.
You are correct in the lower being considered the "firearm" part of the weapon per ATF.
As to making an AR lower from wood. I doubt it would stand up to the first round. It would split where the buffer attaches to the lower. It would also be highly illegal.
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Post by ronbo6 on Apr 12, 2013 4:09:55 GMT
The early Colt AR 15's could be converted to full-auto by the drilling of ONE properly located hole in the lower receiver, and installing or swapping out a total of seven parts.
As far as a wooden receiver shattering, the bushings would be installed to position all the receiver/trigger mechanism pins, and to receive the threads on the buffer tube.
The recoil of an AR15 is so light that it is unlikely to destroy even a properly constructed wooden lower made of pine. You could substitute Oak or Lignum Vitae to make an even more durable lower, if you liked.
Just because it is illegal doesn't make it impossible.
As far as highly illegal, we were already talking about the possibility of converting airsoft lowers in this thread. It is not likely that the ATF would be giving you a medal for that, either.
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Post by oscardeuce on Apr 13, 2013 20:15:27 GMT
Then Colt changed some pin sizes....to try and stop it
The buffer contributes to that lower recoil, and is the potential weak spot.
Never had an airsoft, but there are polymer lowers out there. Before the Great Panic of 2013 they were $89. Not much more than an airsoft. Of course you had to buy from an FFL.
I have never owned a polymer lower, I do not trust them personally. I prefer a billet or forged .
Just file down the firing pin....
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Post by maxman on Apr 14, 2013 9:20:15 GMT
Ever see the Law and Order season ten opener? It's easily their most asinine episode.
A gunman opens fire on a crowd in a public park, killing over a dozen people. Once arrested, he confesses to the police. The judge in the case, however, excludes the confession on the grounds that the suspect's mother had told Lt. van Buren that she was calling a lawyer for her son, and that the police therefore had no right to continue the interview, since the suspect's right to counsel had been invoked. The problem is that the suspect was not a minor, and, as such, his mommy could not invoke his right to counsel for him. He was properly informed of his rights, and did not invoke his right to an attorney, nor his right to remain silent, so the police had every right to continue questioning him. The only reason for this was so that McCoy would end up prosecuting the gun manufacturer (a stand-in for Intratec) instead for manufacturing an open bolt semi-auto (a stand-in for the Tec-9) that could be modified to full-auto.
That's where it gets really bad, since Congress made just that illegal several years before that episode's airing.
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Post by the light works on Apr 14, 2013 13:48:42 GMT
Ever see the Law and Order season ten opener? It's easily their most asinine episode. A gunman opens fire on a crowd in a public park, killing over a dozen people. Once arrested, he confesses to the police. The judge in the case, however, excludes the confession on the grounds that the suspect's mother had told Lt. van Buren that she was calling a lawyer for her son, and that the police therefore had no right to continue the interview, since the suspect's right to counsel had been invoked. The problem is that the suspect was not a minor, and, as such, his mommy could not invoke his right to counsel for him. He was properly informed of his rights, and did not invoke his right to an attorney, nor his right to remain silent, so the police had every right to continue questioning him. The only reason for this was so that McCoy would end up prosecuting the gun manufacturer (a stand-in for Intratec) instead for manufacturing an open bolt semi-auto (a stand-in for the Tec-9) that could be modified to full-auto.
That's where it gets really bad, since Congress made just that illegal several years before that episode's airing.I used to own a paintgun that was an open bolt semi-auto. it was insanely easy to convert to full auto. It was insanely hard to figure out some sort of target load that would cycle properly. this left me paying 30 cents/round for ammo at a time when $5.00 per hour was a decent wage. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 14, 2013 19:14:39 GMT
Ever see the Law and Order season ten opener? It's easily their most asinine episode. A gunman opens fire on a crowd in a public park, killing over a dozen people. Once arrested, he confesses to the police. The judge in the case, however, excludes the confession on the grounds that the suspect's mother had told Lt. van Buren that she was calling a lawyer for her son, and that the police therefore had no right to continue the interview, since the suspect's right to counsel had been invoked. The problem is that the suspect was not a minor, and, as such, his mommy could not invoke his right to counsel for him. He was properly informed of his rights, and did not invoke his right to an attorney, nor his right to remain silent, so the police had every right to continue questioning him. The only reason for this was so that McCoy would end up prosecuting the gun manufacturer (a stand-in for Intratec) instead for manufacturing an open bolt semi-auto (a stand-in for the Tec-9) that could be modified to full-auto.
That's where it gets really bad, since Congress made just that illegal several years before that episode's airing.Actually a Judge could exclude a confession on these grounds, IF they had good reason to believe that the suspect was incapable of making an informed decision at the time he was interviewed. If he had a history of mental illness or was under the care of his mother that would count. Not that this would get him off the charges, since a confession is not required for a conviction. |
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Post by maxman on Jul 8, 2013 6:21:45 GMT
There's also Dirty Harry, where Scorpio is automatically aquitted because Harry tortured him to get a confession (though technically it was the location of Scorpio's latest murder victim, a girl buried somewhere and running out of oxygen) - he shot Scorpio in the leg, then stepped on the wound until Scorpio gave up the information while blubbering for a lawyer.
However, Scorpio is guilty of plenty of felonies, and could easily be convicted for the murder anyway: After getting Harry to go to the Cross to deliver the money, he attacks Harry, beats him within an inch of his life, then tells him he's going to kill him and the girl. Harry's partner Gonzales identifies himself and fires at Scorpio, who fires back with an MP40 (undoubtedly illegally obtained), and Harry stabs Scorpio in the thigh. Scorpio escapes.
After tracking Scorpio via the stab wound, Harry finds him at the 49ers's stadium, then shoots him in the leg.
There's weapons charges, kidnapping, assault on a police officer, attempted murder of a police officer, which could put him away for years if not life, and the stab wound and his voice identify him as the killer which could easily convict him, yet the DA dsimisses the case entirely on Fruit of the Poisonous Tree doctrine.
The DA even chews out Harry for kicking down Scorpio's apartment door (he was the 49ers groundskeeper or something, but for some reason has a Raiders pennant), asking where he has that right. Well, exigent circumstances apply, since Harry was explicitely told the girl's life was in immediate danger.
The only thing that would have been excluded is the initial confession, the rest is perfectly admissable, and Fruit of the Poisonous Tree doesn't always attach, and just about anything that could be claimed as such could covered by inevitable discovery.
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Post by the light works on Jul 20, 2013 20:15:03 GMT
There's also Dirty Harry, where Scorpio is automatically aquitted because Harry tortured him to get a confession (though technically it was the location of Scorpio's latest murder victim, a girl buried somewhere and running out of oxygen) - he shot Scorpio in the leg, then stepped on the wound until Scorpio gave up the information while blubbering for a lawyer. However, Scorpio is guilty of plenty of felonies, and could easily be convicted for the murder anyway: After getting Harry to go to the Cross to deliver the money, he attacks Harry, beats him within an inch of his life, then tells him he's going to kill him and the girl. Harry's partner Gonzales identifies himself and fires at Scorpio, who fires back with an MP40 (undoubtedly illegally obtained), and Harry stabs Scorpio in the thigh. Scorpio escapes. After tracking Scorpio via the stab wound, Harry finds him at the 49ers's stadium, then shoots him in the leg. There's weapons charges, kidnapping, assault on a police officer, attempted murder of a police officer, which could put him away for years if not life, and the stab wound and his voice identify him as the killer which could easily convict him, yet the DA dsimisses the case entirely on Fruit of the Poisonous Tree doctrine. The DA even chews out Harry for kicking down Scorpio's apartment door (he was the 49ers groundskeeper or something, but for some reason has a Raiders pennant), asking where he has that right. Well, exigent circumstances apply, since Harry was explicitely told the girl's life was in immediate danger. The only thing that would have been excluded is the initial confession, the rest is perfectly admissable, and Fruit of the Poisonous Tree doesn't always attach, and just about anything that could be claimed as such could covered by inevitable discovery. by my understanding, if that sort of movies went by real world rules, the movie would be about 15 minutes long. |
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 15, 2013 9:18:29 GMT
If Movies stuck to real life, we wouldn't find them entertaining?....
The ones that do, I probably didnt watch 'em anyway.
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Post by the light works on Aug 15, 2013 13:58:37 GMT
If Movies stuck to real life, we wouldn't find them entertaining?.... The ones that do, I probably didnt watch 'em anyway. I've been known to make that sort of comment about some movies. "I go to the movies to get away from that sort of thing" |
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Post by maxman on Sept 10, 2013 0:14:28 GMT
Actually, the groundskeeper was allowing Scorpio to live there, which would constitute contract living.
However, the groundskeeper, in all probability, does not have the legal standing to grant that kind of permission, which means legally Scorpio is squatting, which means his dwelling is not covered by the Fourth Amendment.
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Post by Lokifan on Sept 11, 2013 12:03:29 GMT
The DA even chews out Harry for kicking down Scorpio's apartment door (he was the 49ers groundskeeper or something, but for some reason has a Raiders pennant), asking where he has that right. Believe it or not, there's a likely reason for the pennant. The scene was not shot at Candlestick Park (current home of the Niners) but at Kezar Stadium. There's a line in the film about how they "used to" have football there, so it's obviously made after the Niners moved to Candlestick in early 1971. At that time, Kezar was used for concerts and high school football. But, there's an important bit of football history at Kezar: The Oakland Raiders played their very first professional football game there back in 1960, as they didn't have their own field built yet so they shared the field with the Niners. So, it's quite possible that a pennant could be on the wall of a groundskeeper's quarters just as a souvenir of that event. My guess is that it was a genuine part of the location, not just set dressing. |
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