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Post by the light works on Aug 18, 2017 2:55:33 GMT
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Post by ponytail61 on Aug 18, 2017 4:29:58 GMT
In worst case scenarios we would use bondo for car repairs on wood when nothing else would do. That looks to be the same thing except made specifically for woodwork. If yo do something like that just make sure to isolate the lockset as much as possible in case it ever needs to be removed.
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Post by the light works on Aug 18, 2017 4:50:11 GMT
In worst case scenarios we would use bondo for car repairs on wood when nothing else would do. That looks to be the same thing except made specifically for woodwork. If yo do something like that just make sure to isolate the lockset as much as possible in case it ever needs to be removed. I would probably take the lockset out and replace it with a wood block wrapped in a antistick material of some sort.
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Post by ponytail61 on Aug 18, 2017 5:19:30 GMT
In worst case scenarios we would use bondo for car repairs on wood when nothing else would do. That looks to be the same thing except made specifically for woodwork. If yo do something like that just make sure to isolate the lockset as much as possible in case it ever needs to be removed. I would probably take the lockset out and replace it with a wood block wrapped in a antistick material of some sort. That's what I was thinking. You could wrap the lockset in saran wrap and after it has set up awhile take out the lockset and remove the wrap. Some parts may protrude a bit and that should remove any soft bondo in the way and leave you enough room if you have to remove it in the future.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 18, 2017 7:22:18 GMT
Along with all the other ideas, I like Gregs idea sort of best. You need to check clearances of the handle that passes through the door frame, but, a flat plate of sturdy wood put in place either side of the door and screwed/glued down to whats left of the door, drilled with holes to take the square bolt inside the handles, may be the quickest cheapest option, and then, you can purchase square rod of three foot length from any hardware store of the same size as the bolt you have and cut to length to fit inside the door for the handle to turn the lock with. Or you can buy longer bolts and again cut to length that are supplied for thicker doors.
Some bolts that are bolted on have adjustable fixings so they can fit thicker doors, check your own handles and bolts for this first before you buy longer bolts?.
When affixing the plate, it will be best to remove paint underneath it if your intending to screw-and-glue. When screwing, if it is a "pocket door" that is hollow inside, check where the baton is that holds the lock, to ensure a good hold for the screws?..
A Square or round plate cut with a Router will make it a little more decorative than just a dod of rough cut wood, and then paint it to match the door.
An Old breadboard of about half to inch thickness the thicker the better would suffice. The new screws should be self-tapping wood screws, and if you can, pre-drill with a very small bit, so you dont split the wood, and then again with the glue, put a dod of hard setting wood glue in with the screw that will set and harden the hole leaving the screw thread in the wood hardened so that any need to replace that handle will not mess with making a mush of that new plate.
Otherwise, you are looking at new handles, that have a larger keeper plate on the door surface, that will need new holes drilling, where the wood is in better condition... But a set of handles is expensive if its not your own door?..
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 18, 2017 10:50:11 GMT
Seems like a better solution, but I'd have to find something that wouldn't clash with or completely wreck the feel of a 120+ year old house. So it's a mortise lock set? Usually the handle on one side has a set screw that tightens down to the square bar. That would be the hole on the handle on the right of this pic. It seems weird that there appears to only be one screw on yours that goes through the door itself to hold it together. I was going to suggest that you reverse the handles so the screw is in another place but it appears from your pics that was already done at some point. Yes, it's a mortise lock set, but there are no screws going through the door at all. Here's a better picture of the kind of handle that's installed at the moment (apparently called a "Bakelit Handle", I just learned): As you can hopefully see, the only thing that goes straight through the door is the square rod that operates the mechanism inside. The rod has a small hole through side at each end that's used to hold the handle to the rod by use of a small metal pin that you can just take out using a pair of pliers. In the top of the picture, at the end of each handle, you can see an indentation. That's a broad plastic screw that goes over the pin to prevent it from falling out. Like the keyhole covers in the bottom of the picture, the plastic "flanges" (for lack of a better word) between the door and the handle are held in place by small screws (about 5mm in length). They just have three holes instead of two and it's the wood that's supposed to hold those three screws that's all messed up. The handles work without those "flanges", but they keep the rod from sliding and jiggling, so if they're not there or if they're loose - which is the problem at the moment - everything jiggles around and makes a terrible racket whenever you operate the door. I'm beginning to think the best option here is to get a completely different type of handle, as some have suggested. One with a plate of some sort that covers the original holes and where the screws that attach it to the door can go into untouched wood.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 18, 2017 10:55:05 GMT
I was thinking something along the same lines originally, but seeing as what I'm repairing isn't just a dent or hole in some random place in the door, but the primary point of stress on it, I'm afraid it'll be a wasted effort. It'll probably just be a matter of time before all the pushing and pulling on the handle will make it come loose again. After all, I have a kid who seems to think all doors in the world weigh ten times what they actually do. The way he slams the doors in the car, you'd think he was getting in and out of an Abrams.
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Post by the light works on Aug 18, 2017 13:04:43 GMT
I was thinking something along the same lines originally, but seeing as what I'm repairing isn't just a dent or hole in some random place in the door, but the primary point of stress on it, I'm afraid it'll be a wasted effort. It'll probably just be a matter of time before all the pushing and pulling on the handle will make it come loose again. After all, I have a kid who seems to think all doors in the world weigh ten times what they actually do. The way he slams the doors in the car, you'd think he was getting in and out of an Abrams. the last renters had kids like that. I don't think I could slam the doors as hard as they did if I took a two step lead on them.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 19, 2017 6:28:17 GMT
You pic didnt show. Bakelite, or polyoxybenzylmethylenglycolanhydride, yeah, I had to check the spelling of that as well , is an early form of plastic, from 30's40's50's60's, so its that old is it?. DONT try to cut it or force it in an way, its brittle. Bakelite, often pronounced "Baker-light", was synonymous with the early post-war radio sets, if you have an early Bakelite Ekco or even Deco model, working, they are worth a tidy fortune. .... You can see where this is going?.. If you decide to throw away the handles, throw them this way, they would probably be worth putting in an auction, some people would play top dollar for early door furniture?.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 21, 2017 11:56:11 GMT
You pic didnt show. Bakelite, or polyoxybenzylmethylenglycolanhydride, yeah, I had to check the spelling of that as well , is an early form of plastic, from 30's40's50's60's, so its that old is it?. DONT try to cut it or force it in an way, its brittle. Bakelite, often pronounced "Baker-light", was synonymous with the early post-war radio sets, if you have an early Bakelite Ekco or even Deco model, working, they are worth a tidy fortune. .... You can see where this is going?.. If you decide to throw away the handles, throw them this way, they would probably be worth putting in an auction, some people would play top dollar for early door furniture?. The house itself is from the late 1800s and I believe at least part of the door is that old as well. I just finished stripping the paint off one side of it and it turns out it's been refurbished before. The outer frame of the door is still the original pine, but the middle of it is just some sort of plywood. Started on the other side today and that seems completely original. I don't think that's ever been refurbished in any way, because there are at least 4 layers of paint slathered on to a combined thickness of about 2-3mm. Doesn't sound like much, but with good quality paint and a little skill, a single coat shouldn't even be much more than 0.2mm thick. As for the repair part, it doesn't look like the lock set is coming out of the door without completely ruining the wood, but that might actually turn out to be a good thing. If the lock set is as big as it seems, there should be more than enough metal around all the moving parts to bolt new wood directly into without preventing anything from working properly. I'm thinking cut out the cracked wood with the lock set still in place, saw out new pieces that fit into the holes, drill through the lock set and fasten the wood pieces directly to it with a nut and bolt assembly and some very large washers to take most of the load. Then, make room for the nut and bolt to be flush with the wood, spackle over them, prime it and paint it. Any obvious holes in that plan?
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Post by the light works on Aug 21, 2017 13:49:00 GMT
You pic didnt show. Bakelite, or polyoxybenzylmethylenglycolanhydride, yeah, I had to check the spelling of that as well , is an early form of plastic, from 30's40's50's60's, so its that old is it?. DONT try to cut it or force it in an way, its brittle. Bakelite, often pronounced "Baker-light", was synonymous with the early post-war radio sets, if you have an early Bakelite Ekco or even Deco model, working, they are worth a tidy fortune. .... You can see where this is going?.. If you decide to throw away the handles, throw them this way, they would probably be worth putting in an auction, some people would play top dollar for early door furniture?. The house itself is from the late 1800s and I believe at least part of the door is that old as well. I just finished stripping the paint off one side of it and it turns out it's been refurbished before. The outer frame of the door is still the original pine, but the middle of it is just some sort of plywood. Started on the other side today and that seems completely original. I don't think that's ever been refurbished in any way, because there are at least 4 layers of paint slathered on to a combined thickness of about 2-3mm. Doesn't sound like much, but with good quality paint and a little skill, a single coat shouldn't even be much more than 0.2mm thick. As for the repair part, it doesn't look like the lock set is coming out of the door without completely ruining the wood, but that might actually turn out to be a good thing. If the lock set is as big as it seems, there should be more than enough metal around all the moving parts to bolt new wood directly into without preventing anything from working properly. I'm thinking cut out the cracked wood with the lock set still in place, saw out new pieces that fit into the holes, drill through the lock set and fasten the wood pieces directly to it with a nut and bolt assembly and some very large washers to take most of the load. Then, make room for the nut and bolt to be flush with the wood, spackle over them, prime it and paint it. Any obvious holes in that plan? you may find the internals in the lockset are bigger than you think. it did leave open the possibility, though, that you could very carefully drill and tap the housing of the lockset, and then install the handle with perfectly sized bolts.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 22, 2017 7:12:03 GMT
The house itself is from the late 1800s and I believe at least part of the door is that old as well. I just finished stripping the paint off one side of it and it turns out it's been refurbished before. The outer frame of the door is still the original pine, but the middle of it is just some sort of plywood. Started on the other side today and that seems completely original. I don't think that's ever been refurbished in any way, because there are at least 4 layers of paint slathered on to a combined thickness of about 2-3mm. Doesn't sound like much, but with good quality paint and a little skill, a single coat shouldn't even be much more than 0.2mm thick. As for the repair part, it doesn't look like the lock set is coming out of the door without completely ruining the wood, but that might actually turn out to be a good thing. If the lock set is as big as it seems, there should be more than enough metal around all the moving parts to bolt new wood directly into without preventing anything from working properly. I'm thinking cut out the cracked wood with the lock set still in place, saw out new pieces that fit into the holes, drill through the lock set and fasten the wood pieces directly to it with a nut and bolt assembly and some very large washers to take most of the load. Then, make room for the nut and bolt to be flush with the wood, spackle over them, prime it and paint it. Any obvious holes in that plan? you may find the internals in the lockset are bigger than you think. it did leave open the possibility, though, that you could very carefully drill and tap the housing of the lockset, and then install the handle with perfectly sized bolts. What ^^^ he ^^^ just said, and also, the lock set is designed to keep the grease inside, so drilling through that lock set may introduce foreign objects into the sticky stuff that will jam the lock. If it is "that old", I know a few tricks. The lock may have been "Force-fitted" into a tight space by use of a rubber or wooden mallet, to keep it from moving about, so the first millimetres are key. Put the square bolt through the door through the lock set and use a tap with a hammer on both sides at the same time to try and move it forwards. If you can get a 'large enough to fit' chisel underneath the face plate at the same time [on the edge of the door?] and wiggle that gently but firmly?.. be careful to do that one the ends top and bottom of the plate and not the sides as that may just remove edges of the door. Lastly, use of a flat waste screwdriver, the one you use to lever pain cans open with, or hammer between things that dont want to separate, "that" screwdriver that has been use for everything BUT screws, use that as a chisel in the part where the door handle bolt goes , but beware, excessive force may mean the need for a new lock set. New lock sets are "pence" compared to a new door, you can get replacement without having to replace the whole handle set, as the square rod is a universal fitting. Getting the old one "out"?.. I have doors 100 yr old that are solid, getting the one that jammed out took me three days a lot of swearing and eventually a lot of lard. Yeah, I greased that sod up through the holes, managed to get it to move about eighth of an inch, got a pair of grips on it, and used a modified bottle jack and a crowbar lashed to the grips to get it all the way out. Need is the mother of invention when the horned one drives slowly in front... The fault? Part of the inside gear assembly had snapped, cheap metal, suspect 1914-18 war period, very pliable and brittle, and one of the kids had forced it so hard, it had pushed the sides of the lock out, which had caught the wood. Replacement part three quid, time spent three days wages, it would have been easier to buy a replacement door, but I wasnt letting this likkle sod beat me.
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Post by c64 on Oct 30, 2017 18:19:48 GMT
I had a big chaos of network and telephone stuff sitting on my sideboard for ages. One day I spent an hour with a circular saw and then several hours reinstalling the IT stuff. Now I have a "boxed chaos"...
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Post by the light works on Oct 30, 2017 18:53:55 GMT
I had a big chaos of network and telephone stuff sitting on my sideboard for ages. One day I spent an hour with a circular saw and then several hours reinstalling the IT stuff. Now I have a "boxed chaos"... View Attachmentboxed chaos hides a multitude of sins.
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Post by c64 on Oct 30, 2017 19:30:31 GMT
I had a big chaos of network and telephone stuff sitting on my sideboard for ages. One day I spent an hour with a circular saw and then several hours reinstalling the IT stuff. Now I have a "boxed chaos"... View Attachmentboxed chaos hides a multitude of sins. Actually not. Since it is wall mounted, guess what happened with the fresh free space on the sideboard just a few days later?
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Post by the light works on Oct 30, 2017 19:34:51 GMT
boxed chaos hides a multitude of sins. Actually not. Since it is wall mounted, guess what happened with the fresh free space on the sideboard just a few days later? nature abhors a vacant surface.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 30, 2017 19:36:14 GMT
My networking center. You really think if I build a box around it it will help?
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Post by the light works on Oct 30, 2017 19:45:13 GMT
My networking center. You really think if I build a box around it it will help? View Attachmentcouple sheets of plywood and some angle brackets...
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Post by c64 on Oct 30, 2017 19:53:58 GMT
My networking center. You really think if I build a box around it it will help? View AttachmentMaybe you should buy a commercial rack...
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 1, 2017 10:21:06 GMT
boxed chaos hides a multitude of sins. Actually not. Since it is wall mounted, guess what happened with the fresh free space on the sideboard just a few days later? Intelligent guesswork, there is a Mrs-C64 who re-purposed the space?..
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