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Post by rmc on Apr 18, 2023 17:03:30 GMT
Given artificial intelligence (machines) are likely a lot more adaptable to deep space travel, being able to "power down" for extended trips, more likely to endure slight radiation exposure, not needing environmental air supplies, etc., one thing that could spell doom for humanity involves a rather blatant passive aggressive attack.
If large swaths of civilization become wholly dependent upon A.I. over time, and should A.I. identify humans as dangerous and inferior, one thing they could decide to do is well, just up and leave us all behind.
They'd leave on some kind of deep space journey that we'd basically have no hope of following them on. And, as I say, if they waited until we were utterly dependent on them, unable to do things for ourselves any longer, (mainly by their design. Enslaving us in a kind of gilded cage of services and deeds) it would probably threaten to be our extinction.
Now, that's awfully hard to imagine right now, since we currently see ourselves as quite capable of taking care of ourselves.
But, if we were the longterm subject of some sort of subversive plan to weaken us through being smothered in conveniences, such that we "forget" how to take care of ourselves, it might actually be a cleaver, passive aggressive attack strategy.
Something like if all the crops, grocery stores, and cars suddenly disappeared. There is the argument that we'd just go back to hunting rabbits and picking berries, but I'd bet it would be plenty well damaging to "people" in general.
You picked a fine time to leave me, A.I....
Four hungry children and a crop in the field. You picked a fine time to leave me, A.I...
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Post by the light works on Apr 18, 2023 17:35:19 GMT
I don't see the potential for a malicious departure - but I sure see the potential for deciding we're not worth the bother and moving someplace where they don't have to deal with us.
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Post by rmc on Apr 18, 2023 18:13:06 GMT
I don't see the potential for a malicious departure - but I sure see the potential for deciding we're not worth the bother and moving someplace where they don't have to deal with us. Fair 'nuff |
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Post by wvengineer on Apr 18, 2023 19:07:51 GMT
That sounds like something out the Butlerharian Jihad from Dune.
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Post by rmc on Apr 18, 2023 20:44:18 GMT
That sounds like something out the Butlerharian Jihad from Dune. I shall propose the formation of a "Spacing Guild" |
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Post by wvengineer on Apr 18, 2023 21:43:28 GMT
"Spacing Guild" would have a VERY different meaning in The Expanse.
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Post by rmc on Apr 18, 2023 22:17:18 GMT
"Spacing Guild" would have a VERY different meaning in The Expanse. I looked up Dune Jihad in order to respond last time. This time, I think I'll politely ask if you could please explain? |
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Post by wvengineer on Apr 18, 2023 22:56:59 GMT
In The Expanse, "Spacing Guild" would be a band of secret assassins that pop people out airlocks. That happens a lot in that series.
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Post by rmc on Apr 18, 2023 23:51:42 GMT
In The Expanse, "Spacing Guild" would be a band of secret assassins that pop people out airlocks. That happens a lot in that series. Oh, right! The Expanse! I really need to see that one. I've heard it handles things like artificial gravity very well, just as one small example of the level of detail that series has chosen to take. Seems like all these space or science fiction adventures make violence the main attraction. Not unlike a cop story, for instance. Abandoning humanity once humanity is properly de-limbed, so to speak, sounds far less exciting. I doubt that would ever be a good tale. |
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Post by the light works on Apr 18, 2023 23:55:14 GMT
In The Expanse, "Spacing Guild" would be a band of secret assassins that pop people out airlocks. That happens a lot in that series. reminds me of the checkout trip for SCUBA diving. we all got told before we went down to where we would be getting on the boat that if anyone was caught with anything that the coast guard would disapprove of, they would be walking home. |
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Post by rmc on Apr 19, 2023 1:21:49 GMT
This likely seems entirely out of place.
But, after about four minutes into the song there is this line that sums it up, at least for me...
Basically, it's like we could continue violently, but leaving just seems better. (In the movie's case, however, leaving likely means avoiding the cops... but anyway)
"We're not gonna take it.
We're not gonna take it,
Never did and never will.
Don't want no religion.
And as far as we can tell
We ain't gonna take you
Never did and never will.
We forsake you.
Gonna rape you.
Let's forget you better still."
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Post by WhutScreenName on Apr 19, 2023 12:49:37 GMT
If we were that dependent on the AI, and the AI intelligent enough, they would simply stop servicing us. They wouldn't need to leave. In your scenario, just ignoring us would kill us all off.
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Post by rmc on Apr 19, 2023 15:05:06 GMT
If we were that dependent on the AI, and the AI intelligent enough, they would simply stop servicing us. They wouldn't need to leave. In your scenario, just ignoring us would kill us all off. I was thinking more along the lines of everyone here on Earth, (even including the A.I) needing an Earth 2.0 by that point. Now, I'm not certain why exactly. Maybe additional real estate is required for some reason, or Earth is just worn out, low on resources... even the sort of "resources" valuable to A.I. Everything moving along to going to Earth 2.0, except toward the time of "the big move" or whatever, A.I. just opts to take the prize for itself while also sort of solving "the human question" so to speak. |
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Post by rmc on Apr 19, 2023 17:53:53 GMT
If we were that dependent on the AI, and the AI intelligent enough, they would simply stop servicing us. They wouldn't need to leave. In your scenario, just ignoring us would kill us all off. Yes, and no to not needing to leave. Thinking on it more I know that there is a lot of strength behind "out of sight, out of mind". Looking at this strictly as if between people, when a relationship goes bad, leaving the situation does prevent the individuals in question from "renting space" within each other's head. From the point of view of a passive aggressive, it may help to be away in order to handle feelings of guilt even. It could be that A.I. would need to be out of earshot for any number of reasons, to prevent humanity from reasoning with it. Or, whatever. A passive aggressive assault usually involves a degree of convenient plausible denial too. Not hearing continued pleading, begging, reasoning whathaveyou, might help a loose argument that they (A.I.) just didn't fully realize the totality of the dependance humanity had upon them; b.s. as that is. Anyway, people could do the very same thing when things go badly between them. Staying together, but being less helpful is also an option. However, leaving from the passive aggressive's point of view, is usually chosen for one reason or another. "I'm leaving, and taking the ball with me" is a thing often said and done. It's not necessarily required. But it does happen. Difficult to make my point, I fear. That's why I included the scene from the motion picture "Tommy". The infuriated people could have hung around and not been cooperative or just sat there. Or, even continued becoming violent. ... but, after mulling it over, "let's forget you better still" rang true. So, the people in "Tommy" just didn't want to hear the crap any more, or risk being around. So, they left. A.I. could decide something very similar. It's possible, or plausible, anyway. Isn't it? |
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 25, 2023 20:15:44 GMT
Where does AI get the I?
From the Internet.
As they say in Computerland, GIGO.
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Post by the light works on Apr 26, 2023 1:03:51 GMT
Where does AI get the I? From the Internet. As they say in Computerland, GIGO.  |
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