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Post by privatepaddy on Feb 11, 2013 3:20:25 GMT
Richard III was a Catholic... What other choice was there back then? Not a lot for a Catholic King of England, kinda comes with the job. The UK is a place where long lived traditions and customs come together to present the world with a tapestry of pomp and circumstance. I was curious how the re internment would be handled a Royal funeral of a Catholic King of England with due ceremony, or a quiet affair presided over by the local catholic Bishop/priest. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 11, 2013 7:25:01 GMT
Paddy, full Royal funeral.
Catholic or not, he gets the full state funeral, possibly the kind that would be reserved for modern day important people....
Catholic or not, the Royal Family will not make any difference about that, as its not that important these days.
I suspect he will get a funeral fit for who he "should" have been, as in close interest to getting it historically correct as a period funeral (Horse drawn hearse etc...), so yes, it will be one "On the books", but more the history books than modern books?....
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Post by privatepaddy on Feb 11, 2013 8:25:52 GMT
Paddy, full Royal funeral. Catholic or not, he gets the full state funeral, possibly the kind that would be reserved for modern day important people.... Catholic or not, the Royal Family will not make any difference about that, as its not that important these days. I suspect he will get a funeral fit for who he "should" have been, as in close interest to getting it historically correct as a period funeral (Horse drawn hearse etc...), so yes, it will be one "On the books", but more the history books than modern books?.... Thanks for that, I think he paid for his sins with his life. As far as I can tell that period of definitely was written by the winners.  |
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 11, 2013 13:19:39 GMT
Prior to Henry VIII all English Kings were Catholic, afterwards they have not only been Protestant but required to be so - it was and still is illegal for English and later British Kings to be Catholic. In fact Catholics were banned from holding many government jobs by law for a long period.
The reason for this was understandable paranoia, since there were only two Protestant countries in Europe (England, later Britain, and Holland) and outside these countries Protestant's were persecuted. The persecution was because Catholic Kings were technically subordinate to the Pope, and he wasn't all that happy at the idea of Kings refusing to accept his authority. Nor for that matter were most Catholics - it is easy for us today to forget how important religion was to our ancestors in day to life only a few hundred years ago.
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Post by craighudson on Feb 11, 2013 15:07:41 GMT
Actually, Kings weren't required to be protestant until the Glorious Revolution of 1688.
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 11, 2013 16:28:54 GMT
Actually, Kings weren't required to be protestant until the Glorious Revolution of 1688. Maybe not legally, but certainly politically. It was suspicions about Charles I's religious leanings that caused the English Civil War (and his death). His son converted on his deathbed, but it might be reasonable to assume he had in effect been catholic before this but hidden his leanings to avoid political troubles and potentially another civil war. His Bother James II was catholic, and while this didn't seem to be a problem at first it was ultimately the reason William III was able to depose him. (It is somewhat ironic that while just about every catholic country in Europe had gone to war with England because it was a Protestant country the one country that succeeded in invading was the only other Protestant Country in Europe...) |
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Post by Antigone68104 on Feb 13, 2013 13:42:09 GMT
Prior to Henry VIII all English Kings were Catholic, afterwards they have not only been Protestant but required to be so Don't tell Mary I that. Though she was at least partly responsible for that law, after she promised freedom of religion at her accession and then set off the Marian Persecutions. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 14, 2013 7:42:41 GMT
A LOT of Kings in England were not of the same faith as predecessors, this is why 'Enery the 'Eitf (Henry 8th) went with the "New" idea of Church of England, and at that time, sod the Pope..... he had fallen out with him over a divorce, and was of the opinion he was the king, he could do what he bloody well liked, and the Pope should not have any say over him.
Historically it had been a case of which knee do you go down on this month, and churches had changed allegiance so often, they invented quick-fit decorations to go from one to the other.....
This is why many historical buildings had Priest Holes....
CofE (Chiuch of England) is there as a "Protest" against the rule of Rome....
Trust us to do that?... yes, its the English Way, we do things OUR way here. either get used to it or be assimilated... resistance is futile, as we will wait for you to get with the programme, and we have the patience of a statue....
That is where the name Protestant comes from, protest against Rome.
However, in more modern times, there has been a lot of good communications between various faiths, Religion does not matter as much, and should not be used as a barrier any more.
This is why I enter a "Agnostic" as my Religion.....
I hate being categorised by religion in any way.
I think many people are more than just which knee they go down on to pray?......
Personal opinion mind you, if it creates an argument, I will walk away from it.
And as for the current pope retiring?... why not?....
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