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Post by maxman on Aug 4, 2013 8:20:52 GMT
Watching Temple of Doom, and I started wondering if a ceiling fan could actually hang someone, like in the fight scene when someone attacks Indy in his room, and he whips him in the neck, then throws the whip into the ceiling fan.
SO I'm wondering three things. Could a ceiling actually both wind a bullwhip to hang someone and support the weight, and could a bullwhip support the weight without unravelling.
For that matter, could a real bullwhip do some of the things throughout the series without unravelling or snapping?
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Post by the light works on Aug 27, 2013 16:14:02 GMT
Watching Temple of Doom, and I started wondering if a ceiling fan could actually hang someone, like in the fight scene when someone attacks Indy in his room, and he whips him in the neck, then throws the whip into the ceiling fan. SO I'm wondering three things. Could a ceiling actually both wind a bullwhip to hang someone and support the weight, and could a bullwhip support the weight without unravelling. For that matter, could a real bullwhip do wome of the things throughout the series without unravelling or snapping? I thought they had tested the bullwhip swing; but I could just be remembering suggestions from the original forums. as for the ceiling fan hanging; consider. the fan does not have a mechanism for winding anything up; it does not have a high enough horsepower motor to turn the blades even against the resistance of a person holding it in place with one hand, and is not required to be mounted to a structure having a load rating above 50 pounds. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 27, 2013 16:19:02 GMT
They used a whip for the snow special, to see if the crack of a whip could cause an avalanche, but I don't think they covered any other myths relating to it.
Adam not only knows how to use a bullwhip - its not as easy as it looks - but as I recall provided the whip used in the snow special episode.
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Post by privatepaddy on Aug 28, 2013 11:59:03 GMT
Watching Temple of Doom, and I started wondering if a ceiling fan could actually hang someone, like in the fight scene when someone attacks Indy in his room, and he whips him in the neck, then throws the whip into the ceiling fan. SO I'm wondering three things. Could a ceiling actually both wind a bullwhip to hang someone and support the weight, and could a bullwhip support the weight without unravelling. For that matter, could a real bullwhip do wome of the things throughout the series without unravelling or snapping? I thought they had tested the bullwhip swing; but I could just be remembering suggestions from the original forums. as for the ceiling fan hanging; consider. the fan does not have a mechanism for winding anything up; it does not have a high enough horsepower motor to turn the blades even against the resistance of a person holding it in place with one hand, and is not required to be mounted to a structure having a load rating above 50 pounds. But can be mounted on something more substantial which supports the ceiling material, which is more able to support a victims weight. OHAS issues around rotating objects require guards to prevent them in part from forming a "makeshift pulley" the rotating fan assembly could act as a pulley especially if the whip end is wound back over itself to create a bite(?), but as you say the motors are not the most powerful and unless some form of mechanical advantage can be found stalling the fan motor is the most likely outcome. They did test a myth about ceiling fans and decapitation IIRC, in this myth I think a plausible serious injury was inflicted by an industrial strength ceiling fan. |
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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2013 13:34:34 GMT
I thought they had tested the bullwhip swing; but I could just be remembering suggestions from the original forums. as for the ceiling fan hanging; consider. the fan does not have a mechanism for winding anything up; it does not have a high enough horsepower motor to turn the blades even against the resistance of a person holding it in place with one hand, and is not required to be mounted to a structure having a load rating above 50 pounds. But can be mounted on something more substantial which supports the ceiling material, which is more able to support a victims weight. OHAS issues around rotating objects require guards to prevent them in part from forming a "makeshift pulley" the rotating fan assembly could act as a pulley especially if the whip end is wound back over itself to create a bite(?), but as you say the motors are not the most powerful and unless some form of mechanical advantage can be found stalling the fan motor is the most likely outcome. They did test a myth about ceiling fans and decapitation IIRC, in this myth I think a plausible serious injury was inflicted by an industrial strength ceiling fan. an industrial ceiling fan mounted on a lawnmower engine. the best a ceiling fan could do on its own was to draw blood. as for becoming a makeshift pulley, if the whip wraps the blade, it would not form a pulley. perhaps over time, it could twist the whip enough to shorten the length; but it would not wind it up. if it wrapped around the motor housing or support structure, then theoretically, it could work as the bail on a spinning reel (fishing reel) IF it was powerful enough. as for the structural mounting; consider. the typical ceiling fan installation has a steel or plastic box rated to support 50 pounds static load or 25 pounds dynamic load. the fan is bolted to this box using 8-32 screws through a stamped sheet metal mounting plate. however, installations made before this became a code requirement - and some made after - secure the fan to a box that is NOT rated to support 50 pounds. so can a person hang from a fan? maybe, maybe not. depends on the fan and the mounting. |
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Post by privatepaddy on Aug 28, 2013 14:04:55 GMT
Without getting into another heated debate, I refer to a capstan type winding on the whip not wrapping around a fan blade. In the 1930's I believe several fans could be ran off of one central motor via belts, Structurally standards do differ from country to country my ceiling fan was installed with 1/4 inch coach screws, its above my bed I prefer no surprises in the middle of the night.
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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2013 14:23:21 GMT
Without getting into another heated debate, I refer to a capstan type winding on the whip not wrapping around a fan blade. In the 1930's I believe several fans could be ran off of one central motor via belts, Structurally standards do differ from country to country my ceiling fan was installed with 1/4 inch coach screws, its above my bed I prefer no surprises in the middle of the night. some of our more culturally colorful regions still have those old belt driven fan systems in operation. |
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