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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 31, 2017 20:17:12 GMT
Everyone on TNG, and certainly the viewing figures, show that TNG didn't find its feet until its third season. Although a number of episodes from around halfway through the second season started to show what the show could and did become.
This was mainly due to most of the people involved in the first two seasons being the same people who were involved in some way with TOS and/or Phase II. Indeed more than a few scripts used for the first year and a half came from TOS or Phase II.
I said as soon as the news came out that Discovery struck me as a train wreck in the making. And nothing I've heard since then has changed my mind.
At this point I think that 'The Orville' actually has a decent chance of replacing Star Trek as a fun, entertaining and thoughtful Sci-Fi Franchise. Not least because there are a plethora of Trek Alumni involved in it, including Johnathan Frakes who will/has directed an episode. While I am concerned that the 'parody' aspect of the series might become overwhelming and cut its life short. I'm hoping that cooler heads will be able to prevent that from happening.
I can see Trek ending up being a Movie only franchise for the next 10-15 years, with 'The Orville' taking its place on TV for most of that time.
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 31, 2017 21:30:29 GMT
To me it looks,more like The Orville,is a version of Galaxy Quest than Star Trek, not that that won't be fun, but it probably won't have the same dramatic qualities being more of a spoof.
I don't think it will ever take Treks place on TV but then again is not trying to,
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Post by the light works on Aug 1, 2017 0:47:02 GMT
for my part, I was still a kid for TOS, so it was part of the afternoon lineup on the good channel.
I watched TNG when it was convenient, but didn't go out of my way for it.
DS9 and voyager, I made a point of recording.
Enterprise, I watched, but felt it should have been done differently.
discovery & orville? from what I've currently seen, not gonna pay extra to watch.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 1, 2017 1:09:34 GMT
Orville is on Fox.
Discovery will be on CBS All Access after the pilot episode.
Normally I'd be wary of Fox shows, given that they have a track record of cancelling good series* or being less than supportive of Sci-Fi shows. In this case I suspect they will probably support Orville if only to spite CBS. With the rights for Trek being split between Paramount and CBS, no clear direction for the franchise and the way both companies have managed to alienate most of the Trek fan base. Fox may be smelling blood in the water, and seeing a good chance of stealing a lot of potential viewers from CBS.
If Orville is as well received as a series and taken to heart by former Trek viewers. Then even if CBS manages to get their act together and create a decent Trek series after Discovery it may be too late.
(*Ironically this included Family Guy)
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 1, 2017 1:36:07 GMT
I don't know anyone that subscribes to All Access although CBS claims they have a subscriber base of around 1.5 million. Compare that to Fox network (not news) that has a typical actual viewership of 3 to 7 million for their more popular shows. Even if every All Access subscriber was watching at the same time, it would only be a fraction of the Fox audience.
And then there's Netflix with around 100 million subscribers, of which I am one.
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Post by the light works on Aug 1, 2017 4:10:15 GMT
I don't know anyone that subscribes to All Access although CBS claims they have a subscriber base of around 1.5 million. Compare that to Fox network (not news) that has a typical actual viewership of 3 to 7 million for their more popular shows. Even if every All Access subscriber was watching at the same time, it would only be a fraction of the Fox audience. And then there's Netflix with around 100 million subscribers, of which I am one. which begs the question of why a person should pay a special fee to CBS to watch CBS, rather than pay the same to netflix to watch pretty much everybody. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 1, 2017 5:03:24 GMT
I don't know anyone that subscribes to All Access although CBS claims they have a subscriber base of around 1.5 million. Compare that to Fox network (not news) that has a typical actual viewership of 3 to 7 million for their more popular shows. Even if every All Access subscriber was watching at the same time, it would only be a fraction of the Fox audience. And then there's Netflix with around 100 million subscribers, of which I am one. which begs the question of why a person should pay a special fee to CBS to watch CBS, rather than pay the same to netflix to watch pretty much everybody. That, I do not have an answer for. |
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Post by ponytail61 on Aug 1, 2017 5:48:26 GMT
Here's the trailer for STD. Not seeing anything that makes me want to see it other than some decent looking effects. Since it will be on Netflix also from what I read, I will at least give it a shot. In all honesty Orville looked more interesting.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 1, 2017 11:11:21 GMT
Here's the trailer for STD. Not seeing anything that makes me want to see it other than some decent looking effects. Since it will be on Netflix also from what I read, I will at least give it a shot. In all honesty Orville looked more interesting. It will be on Netflix everywhere except the US and Canada. In the US it will be on CBS All Access and available on another streaming platform in Canada who's name I can't remember and have no reason to. This has/will in no way infuriate some of the most dedicated Trek fans in the world, as I'm sure none of them live in North America... |
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Post by wvengineer on Aug 1, 2017 15:08:54 GMT
I'm surprised that they don't have ti on Hulu. They have most of their other new programing, so why not this?
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Post by Lokifan on Aug 2, 2017 3:03:29 GMT
I'm willing to give it a chance, but my hopes are not set very high.
To be honest, most of the later series relied too much on technobabble and rarely had the wonder of the best of the original series.
Either that, or just filing off the serial numbers of a regular dramatic cliche laden mess.
Character driven scripts are fine, and vital to good drama. But I got tired of the boring soap operas.
A local station has a rather unique approach to showing the ST shows. They show an episode of each series, one after the other. So, you get ST:TOS, ST:TNG, ST:DS9, ST:VOY, and ST:ENT. Five straight hours, if you can handle it. They even toss in the occasional ST Animated show.
Frankly, I couldn't do that more than once; it was Trek overload.
But it was a good way to compare the series.
And, in my opinion, the original wins out for doing more with less as well as setting the standard. The others were better technically, but the writing was much better (especially allowing for the incredibly different social standards of the time) in the original series.
Maybe it's because there were more episodes of later series that the bad ones seem to outnumber the good ones.
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Post by WhutScreenName on Aug 3, 2017 14:08:24 GMT
Here's an article about the new series. Based off everything I've seen, I am NOT okay with all the changes they are making, and I am not interested in subscribing to all access to see a sub-par knock off of a show I enjoy very much. I will give the pilot a try and see if maybe things change, but at the moment, I have low expectations and even lower hopes. Will Fans Be Okay With These Star Trek: Discovery Changes? |
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Post by the light works on Aug 3, 2017 14:27:02 GMT
Here's an article about the new series. Based off everything I've seen, I am NOT okay with all the changes they are making, and I am not interested in subscribing to all access to see a sub-par knock off of a show I enjoy very much. I will give the pilot a try and see if maybe things change, but at the moment, I have low expectations and even lower hopes. Will Fans Be Okay With These Star Trek: Discovery Changes?"how can we make discovery even more likely to flop? I know, let's design it by committee; and let's change the klingons again." |
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 3, 2017 14:59:43 GMT
Note; Those 'Trek Fans' in the writers room. They were brought in around episode 6 to...make sure they were not duplicating previous stories.
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 3, 2017 15:26:35 GMT
Note; Those 'Trek Fans' in the writers room. They were brought in around episode 6 to...make sure they were not duplicating previous stories. Wait a minute. They need the "fans" to tell them if they are duplicating story lines? Haven't any of these writers watched any of the older series? |
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Post by the light works on Aug 3, 2017 15:36:10 GMT
Note; Those 'Trek Fans' in the writers room. They were brought in around episode 6 to...make sure they were not duplicating previous stories. Wait a minute. They need the "fans" to tell them if they are duplicating story lines? Haven't any of these writers watched any of the older series? they need the fans to warn them if they accidentally make it too much like star trek. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 3, 2017 16:12:30 GMT
Note; Those 'Trek Fans' in the writers room. They were brought in around episode 6 to...make sure they were not duplicating previous stories. Wait a minute. They need the "fans" to tell them if they are duplicating story lines? Haven't any of these writers watched any of the older series? To be fair you are talking about a franchise that includes 13 films, and 30 seasons (including the Animated series) for a total of some 700 individual stories NOT including books and comics (which are not canon). See, I can be nice to CBS. To be LESS nice I'll add that the way they promoted these Trek fans in the writers room was deliberately misleading. They gave the impression that these fans were actually writing episodes rather than just consultants. |
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 3, 2017 17:05:09 GMT
Note; Those 'Trek Fans' in the writers room. They were brought in around episode 6 to...make sure they were not duplicating previous stories. Wait a minute. They need the "fans" to tell them if they are duplicating story lines? Haven't any of these writers watched any of the older series? To,be honest they could have done with some of those on Enterprise, not to make sure they weren't rehashing old episode but to tell them not to break the canon. Yes I know the arguement about the Temporal,Time War altering things,MBut time that's just hogwash. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 3, 2017 17:20:32 GMT
Wait a minute. They need the "fans" to tell them if they are duplicating story lines? Haven't any of these writers watched any of the older series? To,be honest they could have done with some of those on Enterprise, not to make sure they weren't rehashing old episode but to tell them not to break the canon. Yes I know the arguement about the Temporal,Time War altering things,MBut time that's just hogwash. Not sure what canon you are referring to, but keep in mind Enterprise took place long before there was the Federation and their behavioral guidelines. And as far as duplicating stories, I think every series, with the exception of TOS, reused some storylines. My biggest gripe with Enterprise was the inconsistency of the characters within the series, not so much with any inconsistency with other series. You never knew which T'Pol or Archer was going to show up in any one episode. |
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Post by wvengineer on Aug 3, 2017 17:39:38 GMT
Where were these "fans" when they were writing Star Trek Into Darkness? If you are going to retell one of the most famous and beloved stories in all of Sci-fi, why do such a terrible job with it?
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