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Post by mrfatso on Aug 3, 2017 18:25:46 GMT
To,be honest they could have done with some of those on Enterprise, not to make sure they weren't rehashing old episode but to tell them not to break the canon. Yes I know the arguement about the Temporal,Time War altering things,MBut time that's just hogwash. Not sure what canon you are referring to, but keep in mind Enterprise took place long before there was the Federation and their behavioral guidelines. And as far as duplicating stories, I think every series, with the exception of TOS, reused some storylines. My biggest gripe with Enterprise was the inconsistency of the characters within the series, not so much with any inconsistency with other series. You never knew which T'Pol or Archer was going to show up in any one episode. The canon errors like Archers Enterprise encountering the Ferengi, and yet in the Next Generation we get this Captains log at the start of the season 1 episode The Last Outpost. Similarly Archer encountered the Borg. There are lists out there of all the ways that things break canon, these are just two ai can think of straight away. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 3, 2017 18:57:55 GMT
I actually liked the Borg episode on Enterprise, indeed I'd actually use it as an example as to how to do a prequel that makes sense yet doesn't wreck continuity.
The Temporal Cold War was intended as a way to allow them some creative freedom, and explain discrepancies that were bound to creep in. For example it is noted in the pilot episode that the NX-01 was launched several weeks ahead of schedule specifically so it could go on a mission to meet the Klingons; Which also explained why T'Pol was on board when Spock had been noted as being the first Vulcan in Starfleet. (Although technically she wasn't in Starfleet you would have thought Spock would have mentioned this. Of course his comment is incorrect even in TOS given that one of the sister ships to Kirk's Enterprise was crewed entirely by Vulcans)
As far as the Ferengi are concerned there were already considerable issues with continuity as far as The Last Outpost was concerned - many of these coming from the realization that the Ferengi simply didn't work as TNG's bad guys as the Klingons had with TOS. That prompted them to make major changes to the species by the time of DS9; Where we find out, for example, that some characters knew the Ferengi in general, and Quark in particular, long before the time of The Last Outpost.
Not that this made Enterprises inclusion of the Ferengi any good.
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 3, 2017 19:12:18 GMT
I actually liked the Borg episode on Enterprise, indeed I'd actually use it as an example as to how to do a prequel that makes sense yet doesn't wreck continuity. The Temporal Cold War was intended as a way to allow them some creative freedom, and explain discrepancies that were bound to creep in. For example it is noted in the pilot episode that the NX-01 was launched several weeks ahead of schedule specifically so it could go on a mission to meet the Klingons; Which also explained why T'Pol was on board when Spock had been noted as being the first Vulcan in Starfleet. (Although technically she wasn't in Starfleet you would have thought Spock would have mentioned this. Of course his comment is incorrect even in TOS given that one of the sister ships to Kirk's Enterprise was crewed entirely by Vulcans) As far as the Ferengi are concerned there were already considerable issues with continuity as far as The Last Outpost was concerned - many of these coming from the realization that the Ferengi simply didn't work as TNG's bad guys as the Klingons had with TOS. That prompted them to make major changes to the species by the time of DS9; Where we find out, for example, that some characters knew the Ferengi in general, and Quark in particular, long before the time of The Last Outpost. Not that this made Enterprises inclusion of the Ferengi any good. Technically, as the characters on DS9 knew Quark, when it was Terok Noor as part of the Cardasian occupation the characters that knew Quark and the Ferngi race could have done so without the Federation having made first contact with them. The Fedration may have know about the existence of Ferengi due to interactions with the Cardassains and Bajiran refugees. It is possibly that Only in The Last Outpost did the Enterprise and therefore the Ferderation actually meet and scan the Ferengi for themselves. The Ferengi not working as villians is well known, that's why at the end of season 1 they were already thinking of new threats, the Blue Gill body' snatchers, the return of the Romulans and in the same episode the forshadowing of the Borg threat. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Sept 7, 2017 19:40:29 GMT
'The Orville' airs this weekend and the reviews are in. Interestingly it seems that they didn't just send out one episode to critics, but the first three episodes; something that I take to mean Fox having confidence in the series.
Overall the reviews are actually good, and much to my delight it seems that the trailers Fox has released are a little misleading as to the tone of the show.
It seems that while the series has humor this isn't a main focus and its not a comedy. Instead its been described as being a more 'everyman' version of the Original Star Trek series, where characters interact in a somewhat more realistic way to each other and react in a more realistic way to certain situations. (Which actually makes sense given that the titular ship is not the biggest baddest ship in the fleet, nor is the lead character some up and coming hotshot. Something that is actually fairly clear from the trailers)
Reports about the first three episodes seem to indicate that this is a series that will tackle serious issues, with one episode dealing with gender reassignment. Or in other words...its heading towards classic Trek territory. The humor doesn't always work apparently, but not to the point anyone is really considering this a major issue. Certainly it seems to be hitting more than a few 'watch' lists, and is frequently being described as something of a breath of fresh air compared to everything else that is airing this fall.
Given that it usually takes at least one or two seasons for a series to really hit its stride, I'm thinking this series has serious potential; Especially if Discovery turns out to be as bad as feared.
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 8, 2017 0:07:57 GMT
I've already got the DVR set up to record it.
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Post by the light works on Sept 8, 2017 2:26:12 GMT
I've already got the DVR set up to record it. me, too. unfortunately, it is in the same time slot as torture-porn-with-zombies and Top Gear America, but TGA has a second showing later. |
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 8, 2017 6:42:42 GMT
I'll have to wait there is no confirmed UK broadcaster for the Orville yet.
Netflix here does release season 2 of the Expanse tonight, season 1 was rather good so let's hope the standard is as high this time.
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Post by Cybermortis on Sept 8, 2017 13:40:47 GMT
I'll have to wait there is no confirmed UK broadcaster for the Orville yet. Netflix here does release season 2 of the Expanse tonight, season 1 was rather good so let's hope the standard is as high this time. Fox currently owns just under 40% of Sky TV in the UK. So if it is going to be broadcast anywhere in the UK it would be on Sky. |
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 8, 2017 14:33:30 GMT
I'll have to wait there is no confirmed UK broadcaster for the Orville yet. Netflix here does release season 2 of the Expanse tonight, season 1 was rather good so let's hope the standard is as high this time. Fox currently owns just under 40% of Sky TV in the UK. So if it is going to be broadcast anywhere in the UK it would be on Sky. It could also be on Fox TV UK which is owned by 21st Fox completely it's where programs like Family Guy and American Dad which are Seth McFarlane shows as well are shown. Archer is a non Seth to show that's on Fox UK, Not every FOX show in America goes to Sky in the UK. And the situation is even more complicated than that, take the FOX program the Strain in the UK it was shown on the Watch network part of UKTV which is part owned by the BBC there is no easy way to tell which network gets which TV show. Another example the Walking Dead is show on FOX TV UK, not on the UK AMC channel despite AMC making the show in the states. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 9, 2017 2:37:18 GMT
I'll have to wait there is no confirmed UK broadcaster for the Orville yet. Netflix here does release season 2 of the Expanse tonight, season 1 was rather good so let's hope the standard is as high this time. Only on DVD. No streaming. |
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 9, 2017 6:20:35 GMT
I'll have to wait there is no confirmed UK broadcaster for the Orville yet. Netflix here does release season 2 of the Expanse tonight, season 1 was rather good so let's hope the standard is as high this time. Only on DVD. No streaming. Blu-Ray if you don't mind.  I'll happily watch the legal streaming service that Netflix and other services such as BBC IPlayer provide to the UK and watch shows when they release them here. I am not against streaming per say but streaming through grey markets means you don't know where the stream comes from legal or illegal means. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 9, 2017 14:52:09 GMT
Only on DVD. No streaming. Blu-Ray if you don't mind. I'll happily watch the legal streaming service that Netflix and other services such as BBC IPlayer provide to the UK and watch shows when they release them here. I am not against streaming per say but streaming through grey markets means you don't know where the stream comes from legal or illegal means. I'm an Amazon prime member and just found out I can stream it for free through Amazon. I'll do that. |
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 10, 2017 10:20:44 GMT
Blu-Ray if you don't mind. I'll happily watch the legal streaming service that Netflix and other services such as BBC IPlayer provide to the UK and watch shows when they release them here. I am not against streaming per say but streaming through grey markets means you don't know where the stream comes from legal or illegal means. I'm an Amazon prime member and just found out I can stream it for free through Amazon. I'll do that. Well that's good you'll have to let us know what you think of The Orville. I am not a member of Amazon Prime so I'll have to wait. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 10, 2017 13:45:27 GMT
I am in "Discussion" with the "Discovery" network on a few subjects...
As in, I have been nagging them on my Email/Twitter/etc accounts, by sending them almost annoyingly regular requests for answers, and suggestions, in the "Hope it may be helpful..." I can be quite insistently annoying when I have to, although it bugs me to be that way, I can?..
Most of them being based around Social Media.
One of them is that I am receiving "Straight from the horses mouth" as it is, updates and checks on when certain series are to be broadcast.
Such as Richard Rawlings, of "Gas Monkey" fame, doing a series where he is going Garage Rescue of other businesses....
The details are inconsequential here and I wont use them to pollute this thread.
However...
The BROADCAST dates are ....
Discovery USA and Discovery "europe" are for some unknown reason a week-and-a-half adrift in broadcast dates, even on some of the "Top watched" shows, and I have included Mythbusters and all associated shows in that.
At least.
In some cases, a month or two behind.
I have put it to them....
If they dont want us to try to use "Un-licensed" sources to stream such shows because we are being left behind on the social media platform such as twitverse fakebook and the like, whats wrong with bringing the two SAME networks in line with each other?.
Hell you do that 24hr broadcast thing, even if it is the middle of the night, we all have that thing you seem to be still trying to ignore, the VIDEO recorder, "PVR" in modern terms, and we can catch a show even if its broadcast in the middle of the night, to watch later?..
Dont tell me its an advertising issue... I already know they dont broadcast the same adverts either side of the pond, thats an easy fix.
I have put it to them, instead of "Fighting" the download issue of people eager to catch the show, why CANT they just broadcast at exactly the same time, and then, without the need to download from probably dodgy download sites, people will just watch through their existing PAID FOR package?..
We are after all AVID fans of their programming, its just there is the caveat "When we can get it" on that.
Of course, yes, what did you think, I was special or something?...
... I am still "Awaiting reply"....
However, I am beginning to believe that I aint the only one asking these questions?.
Perhaps if any of us have some spare time, we can all ask the same questions.
That way, when something is broadcast somewhere else, it wont take MONTHS to be broadcast elsewhere, instead of the endless round of repeats that we usually get?...
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Post by Cybermortis on Sept 10, 2017 16:12:41 GMT
There are a number of reasons why simultaneous broadcasts don't always happen;
Although Discovery is a single company, different areas of the world are administrated by different branches. Although they technically have access to the same programs they are free to decide when or if shows are aired based on their knowledge of the (local) viewership.
Shows may need additional post production work for different regions. In the case of Mythbusters the original series was narrated by two different people - Robert Lee for most of the world, Robin Banks for Europe. Some countries also required subtitles even though they tend to use the English narration. (Note; I do not know how much, or if, the new series will follow the old in terms of narration)
The laws surrounding content differ from country to country, meaning that shows may need to be reviewed before they are allowed to be aired or further edited.
Advert's are actually a factor in planning, especially since the laws as to how much time can be devoted to them differs between the US and Europe. Off the top of my head; In the US it seems that you can have 16 minutes of adverts per hour of program. While in Europe the figure is 12 minutes per hour.
This may seem like a minor issue, but it actually causes problems for scheduling as they have to figure out how to fill the extra 4 minutes of air time. (Especially for a 24 hour channel) I think one thing that happened with Mythbusters was that the European episodes sometimes ended up showing footage that had been cut from the US release. However this requires...more editing.
Editing takes time, roughly four to six months in the case of Mythbusters. Although that figure is for editing a full episode rather than modifying an existing cut. Depending on how much editing is needed it will take at least a week or two to modify an episode for a specific region. (Which does not explain why Australia has to wait over a year)
Also worth noting that on occasion the regional bosses may decide that a specific episode should not be aired for some reason. This is why the US didn't get two episodes of the show for close on two years after Australia and I think Europe had seen those episodes.
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Post by ironhold on Sept 10, 2017 20:41:36 GMT
The laws surrounding content differ from country to country, meaning that shows may need to be reviewed before they are allowed to be aired or further edited. Another example of this is the Doctor Who franchise. When the series went to air in Australia, the broadcast authority operated under a policy which required that if footage was deemed unfit for broadcast, the actual offending footage had to be clipped and sent in to the authority's offices as proof that the edit had been made. An inspection of the archives revealed not only missing clips from at least one episode recovered from an Australian broadcaster, but clips from several episodes that hadn't otherwise been recovered in any fashion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodes#Excised_clipsIt seems to vary. 15 minutes is about the rule of thumb, though, but I often see a minute each way. As it is, the amount of commercial time seems to vary depending upon time of day and the nature of the programming itself. For example, material that is submitted for the federal "E/I" requirement can't have more than 10.5 minutes per hour of advertising on weekends, and there are strict limits as to what can be advertised during that show. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E/I#Advertising_policies A clearer example of this at play would be the 2001 Transformers series "Robots In Disguise". tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Robots_in_Disguise_(2001_cartoon)The English dub debuted on US television on September 8th, 2001. ...Yeah. Several episodes of the show had to be edited due to post-9/11 sensitivities, and a number of episodes never aired in the United States. Additionally, a trio of "clip shows" containing material from other episodes were never dubbed into English as the dubbing process was still ongoing at the time; these episodes were replaced with new clip shows created by Saban exclusively for the English dub. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 11, 2017 4:03:25 GMT
not completely sure what is going on. the orville was recording when we had dinner at 5, and it was recording again when Mrs TLW checked at 8:30. i she lets me watch it, I'll figure out what happened, and I'll tell you what I thought.
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Post by Lokifan on Sept 11, 2017 4:21:18 GMT
The Orville wasn't bad.
Not great, but promising.
And at least Imperial Stormtroopers now have competition in the worst shot ever contest...
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 11, 2017 4:47:24 GMT
I recorded it, but my MIL had a medical emergency and I had to take my wife down to West Virginia. I'll have to take a look at it when I get back home later in the week.
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Post by the light works on Sept 11, 2017 5:21:24 GMT
I recorded it, but my MIL had a medical emergency and I had to take my wife down to West Virginia. I'll have to take a look at it when I get back home later in the week. yikes. hopefully they get it under control. so my DVR recorded it twice, for some unknown reason. meanwhile: good design and effects, though not as detailed as more serious sci-fi. enough different from Star Trek to not be proven to be a ripoff. so far, it isn't trying to be taken seriously; but still carrying itself as a dramatic show (technically, they are calling it a comic drama). good character development for a series premiere. if I had to summarize the theme, it would be "band of misfits on a midlevel starship manages to make a difference in the universe." he has Kasidy Yates form DS9 as the ship's doctor - more recently from Castle. (interestingly, I didn't recognize her between DS-9 and castle, but she looked familiar enough to look her up, now) reviews seem to be mixed - some like it, and some think it is too lowbrow. I found it more watchable than other currently popular shows. |
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