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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 24, 2013 12:08:59 GMT
Problems with using the cores of the tape rolls: are you going to have enough other stuff to make, to free up enough cores to be useable? Even with using cores and taping them together, the longer they get, the less stable they will become to sideways forces. One thing I've never liked about these duct tape shows, is the "unlimited" quantity of duct tape. Sure, it inspires creativity of what you could do with an unlimited amount of duct tape, but suppresses the actual creativity folks would have to "really" use with access to a roll or two, or partial roll of duct tape in a real world application. With limited quantities, you would have to prioritize your needs, versus available supplies and duct on what you constructed. True some of the things they did were within the capabilities of a partial roll or full roll or two, but most were not, as I recall. I think we were talking about leaving the tape on the core, for most of the applications, like table legs. Yeap, although saving the spent rolls they get left with and seeing what they could use them for makes sense. One thing I am curious about is the cost. If you could, say, make a chair or sofa from DT would it be cheaper than buying one? What about giving them a totally empty room and seeing if they can turn it into a usable living area using nothing but DT*? I can imagine that the cast may enjoy letting their creativity run riot as well as having to consider practical requirements - such as if DT is really safe to use as a lamp shade. (*Apart from electrical items, such as lights. We might also consider allowing some of the things that are shipped with DT - so cardboard from the boxes for example.) We seem to have two good viable DT show ideas here; Retesting prior myths but using duct tape, and seeing what you could use DT for in everyday life or at home. Come to think of it the 'at home' idea might mollify those people who would like MB to do a show where you could 'try it at home'. I should go run through the episode list on Wilkipedia to see if I can find a list of possibilities from past episodes. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 24, 2013 12:55:39 GMT
Which I've now done;
Is it possible to make a "magic bullet" out of ice?/What kind of projectiles would pirates use in a cannon if they run out of cannonballs?
Duct tape bullet/cannonball
Is it possible to water ski behind a rowing eight?/Can a person waterski behind a cruise ship?
Could you make skis or a surf board out of DT?
If someone falls off a building, can that person glide to safety using a sheet of plywood?/Can a person make a parachute with an airplane escape slide or life raft?
Can you make a parachute out of duct tape?
Is it possible to make a catapult with a boom-lift cherry-picker?
Could you make a (small) catapult/trebuchet using duct tape?
Could the Ancient Chinese have used drums to listen for tunneling invaders?
Can you make sweet music using duct tape - or at least musical instruments?
Did the Confederates really have a 2-stage rocket capable of traveling 100 miles from Richmond to DC?/Can bottle rockets be used to launch a human?/Can a huge rocket launch a cage holding a human and would the person survive?
Can you make a rocket out of duct tape?
Can a deadly crossbow be made from materials available to prison inmates?/Did Hungarian archers get twice the penetration shooting a bow from a galloping horse?
Can you make a cross bow out of duct tape? Could you make an arrow from duct tape?
Can a person fly away on a raft filled with helium?/Can a lead balloon fly?
Can you make a (hot air) balloon from duct tape?
Can a working glider be made out of concrete?
Can you make a duct tape glider?
Can a big rig's tire explode with deadly force?
Could you make car tires from duct tape?
Can sacrificially jumping on a grenade save others' lives?/Can you bulletproof a car using nothing but phone books?/Did armies in ancient China use paper armor that was as effective as steel?
Can duct tape be used to protect you from bullets and explosions?
Can superglue be used to turn a room upside down?/Can superglue restrain a driver as well as a seat belt does during a collision?
Same as above, but using duct tape instead of superglue.
Thoughts?
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Post by the light works on Aug 24, 2013 13:08:44 GMT
I have actually fired a duct tape pellet out of a powder actuated paintball gun, with more muzzle energy than I expected. (I was experimenting with reloading for target practice)
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 24, 2013 13:53:16 GMT
'At home' and fun small ideas;
Can you make a kettle out of DT? (Both electric - where the heating element is provided seperately - and even on a stove...which truth be told seems rather unlikely but could be fun to watch and, well, who knows *maybe* they could get a surprising result....)
Can you make clothing out of DT? (Yes, in fact there is a competition to make the best I think)
Can you make a wallet out of DT? (Confirmed, just go look at the wilkipedia entry for duct tape)
Could you furnish an entire room using nothing more than DT? (This covers what furniture you might be able to make from DT and if this might be cheaper than buying those items new. They already proved that they can make a 'bed' out of DT)
Could you make glasses using only duct tape as the frame?
Could you use duct tape to 'wax' your legs?
Can you make a beret from DT? (Jamie could always use a spare....)
Could you roof a house using nothing but duct tape? (At least in the short term. A small hut with a DT roof left for a while on M5's roof would be an ideal and simple way to test this.)
Could you make a shelf using nothing but DT? (I'm guessing yes, if you treated it as a suspension bridge type design - Maybe vertical strands from the edge of the shelf to the wall, which would also act as dividers for say books. Although the question would be how much weight it could hold.)
Could you clean a carpet using duct tape? (Think of a roller around which you have the tape with the sticky side outwards.)
Could you make a garden hose out of DT? We know it can hold water, but how would it fare if you have pressurised water moving through it at speed?
Could you make a tree house out of DT? (This would have the option of using vertical strands to take the weight, much like the shelf idea above.)
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Post by the light works on Aug 24, 2013 14:31:13 GMT
I say give them bubble wrap to go with the duct tape for the home furnishings.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 24, 2013 14:43:04 GMT
Addition to the 'at home' ideas; Would DT make a good emergency bandage or tourniquet? (Could be tested with a ballistic gel arm or leg through which 'blood' is being pumped. Even Tori 'I like pain' Belluchi might be unwilling to have a major blood vessel cut open for the show  This is not quite as straightforward as it might seem, as DT had trouble sticking when wet I have to suspect it wouldn't fare too well with blood.) |
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Post by ironhold on Aug 24, 2013 15:01:51 GMT
Jaime tested the duct tape surfboard bit during the Hawaii episode; it fell apart pretty quickly because of the way he made it. Unless Jaime is keen on trying again using "proper" tools, that one might not work.
And your average drum and tambourine involve material being stretched tightly over an opening, and so with the exception of perhaps a few metal bits here and there they should easily be able to piece some together with a little bit of trial-and-error.
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Post by User Unavailable on Aug 24, 2013 19:43:46 GMT
Addition to the 'at home' ideas; Would DT make a good emergency bandage or tourniquet? (Could be tested with a ballistic gel arm or leg through which 'blood' is being pumped. Even Tori 'I like pain' Belluchi might be unwilling to have a major blood vessel cut open for the show This is not quite as straightforward as it might seem, as DT had trouble sticking when wet I have to suspect it wouldn't fare too well with blood.) I know it works as a bandage., I used it on myself and seen it used on others.. The "don't stick when wet" thing is not an issue, as the tape only needs to stick to itself or non bloody skin, as a bandages purpose is not just to seal a wound, but to apply pressure as well.. Even if you couldn't get it to stick, you would just wrap it and tie it off, as you would with a Field Dressing/Pressure Bandage.* Tourniquet, no problem either. If it don't stick, just wrap it and tie it off, following tourniquet procedures. * it occurs to me that folks in the civilian world may not be familiar with Field Dressing or Pressure Bandage or Tourniquets. (depending on how much first aid training you've received) Apply Field Dressing, Pressure Bandage, Tourniquet |
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Post by the light works on Aug 25, 2013 13:20:49 GMT
Addition to the 'at home' ideas; Would DT make a good emergency bandage or tourniquet? (Could be tested with a ballistic gel arm or leg through which 'blood' is being pumped. Even Tori 'I like pain' Belluchi might be unwilling to have a major blood vessel cut open for the show This is not quite as straightforward as it might seem, as DT had trouble sticking when wet I have to suspect it wouldn't fare too well with blood.) Electrical tape works much better than duct tape for emergency bandaging. quality electrical tape has better flexibility than duct tape; and the adhesive releases better. duct tape works better for securing splinting, though; for that reason. medical tape also doesn't stick well to wet surfaces; so that isn't as much of a factor. |
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 27, 2013 10:15:27 GMT
For bandages/tourniquets you can pretty much use anything that you can wrap/tie tightly enough. Anything is better than nothing when someone's bleeding profusely, but duct tape is actually very good.
In my unit with the Home Guard we've had a roll of DT in our medic bags for as long as I can remember. Not specifically for use as bandaging, but for strapping people to stretchers, holding their heads in place when there are suspected neck injuries and other things. But it has been used as bandages in emergencies where we ran out of the regular stuff.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Aug 27, 2013 12:47:39 GMT
By the same token what about a Duct Tape balloon? If you can make it with lead DT should work...if it will hold the gas. Or they could try a hot air balloon made from duct tape - which might be a slightly more interesting take on things and is more likely to work. (Would be a good way to test DT-Buster methinks). I'm thinking a smaller scale remake: How about a redo of the "Lead Balloon" myth, except with duct tape? Could you float a balloon made of duct tape? The duct tape should have a greater density than the sheets of lead that they used in the original myth, so it may give an interesting result. Duct tape as protective gear for Tori? |
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 27, 2013 12:58:53 GMT
By the same token what about a Duct Tape balloon? If you can make it with lead DT should work...if it will hold the gas. Or they could try a hot air balloon made from duct tape - which might be a slightly more interesting take on things and is more likely to work. (Would be a good way to test DT-Buster methinks). I'm thinking a smaller scale remake: How about a redo of the "Lead Balloon" myth, except with duct tape? Could you float a balloon made of duct tape? The duct tape should have a greater density than the sheets of lead that they used in the original myth, so it may give an interesting result. Duct tape as protective gear for Tori? Read the list I did above - the balloon idea was/is the alternative to lead balloon. There is some question as to how well duct tape would contain helium, but if it does then making a balloon out of it would be fairly easy. The problem from a TV viewpoint is that it would take all of three seconds to discover if a helium duct tape balloon would work, and if it doesn't there is no point continuing and no segment. A hot air balloon on the other hand is more likely to work, or at least we know that DT will hold air. The problems here relate to what effect the heat might have on the tape, and how to overcome them. Duct tape 'armour' is also another idea on the above list, which covers old myths from paper armour to the 'what is bullet proof' myths. |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Aug 27, 2013 13:31:23 GMT
Perhaps, the MBs start the show by making a Duct Tape "Lead Balloon" and, upon seeing that work, Adam has a "Eureka" moment in which he declares that they should go large scale and create a full size hot air balloon out of duct tape.
Though, would every part balloon have to be made out of duct tape, including the basket? Or, for safety purposes, would they be allowed to use a standard basket for the rig?
Duct tape wheels for a bicycle and/or cars? How effective would they be over varied surfaces?
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Post by the light works on Aug 27, 2013 14:41:53 GMT
For bandages/tourniquets you can pretty much use anything that you can wrap/tie tightly enough. Anything is better than nothing when someone's bleeding profusely, but duct tape is actually very good. In my unit with the Home Guard we've had a roll of DT in our medic bags for as long as I can remember. Not specifically for use as bandaging, but for strapping people to stretchers, holding their heads in place when there are suspected neck injuries and other things. But it has been used as bandages in emergencies where we ran out of the regular stuff. our "head bed" C-spine stabilization kits include a strip of what is essentially glorified duct tape, which is stuck across the cervical collar at the patient's chin and tapes them to the backboard. the previous generation also taped across the forehead, though the newer kits use a web strip with velcro for this. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 27, 2013 14:50:42 GMT
I like the duct tape bike tire idea - probably more practical than trying to make tires for a car, or at least a good small scale test to do.
There is no particular reason that they could not test both helium and hot air balloons in small scale, and if the former proves possible then move onto large scale alongside a hot air design.
Safety wise I think having any of the cast in a hot air balloon is an absolute no-no. If there is any kind of accident with this kind of design there is a very real risk of someone getting trapped under burning or melting plastic - conventional hot air balloons are made from fire resistant material for a reason.
A better idea would be to use buster - possibly a duct tape Buster as that was another idea brought forward and would fit nicely with a DT themed episode.
There is no reason why they could not use a normal basket for a balloon, although a DT basket would be more in keeping with the theme. I suspect however that a normal basket would be more practical time-wise, as it would require build time that might be better used for other things.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Aug 27, 2013 15:19:06 GMT
For "Duct Tape Bicycle", this test has to go to Tori! If it has two wheels and a chance of impending doom, it has Tori's name all over it...perhaps, he encases himself in duct tape padding first...
Two possible designs for DT bike tires:
1) Create an oversized roll of DT. Though, this would require widening the front fork & rear of the frame to account for the width of the DT.
2) Twist or roll DT into a shape roughly akin to that of an actual bike tire and mount on standard bike rims.
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Post by the light works on Aug 27, 2013 15:32:01 GMT
it would be great to watch them build a rig to make duct tape tires, too. - short, because they basically just need a motor to turn the wheel while they guide the duct tape.
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Post by privatepaddy on Aug 28, 2013 12:55:15 GMT
it would be great to watch them build a rig to make duct tape tires, too. - short, because they basically just need a motor to turn the wheel while they guide the duct tape. Are we talking a pneumatic tyre or a solid tyre? I see side wall construction as a tad difficult in the former and in the later any lateral movement across the width of the tyre could cause it to fail. ? |
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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2013 13:16:06 GMT
it would be great to watch them build a rig to make duct tape tires, too. - short, because they basically just need a motor to turn the wheel while they guide the duct tape. Are we talking a pneumatic tyre or a solid tyre? I see side wall construction as a tad difficult in the former and in the later any lateral movement across the width of the tyre could cause it to fail. ? I was thinking of solid tires. and, well - having your "tire" delaminate due to lateral stress would bust the myth, wouldn't it? |
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Post by privatepaddy on Aug 28, 2013 13:22:35 GMT
Are we talking a pneumatic tyre or a solid tyre? I see side wall construction as a tad difficult in the former and in the later any lateral movement across the width of the tyre could cause it to fail. ? I was thinking of solid tires. and, well - having your "tire" delaminate due to lateral stress would bust the myth, wouldn't it? Not sure, if alternate layers were wound in different directions? but what the upper limit would be before disaster? |
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This is not quite as straightforward as it might seem, as DT had trouble sticking when wet I have to suspect it wouldn't fare too well with blood.)
