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Post by ironhold on Oct 23, 2013 19:37:27 GMT
Myths from the movie "Escape Plan".
1. Breslin (Stallone) gets his revenge on the warden when he notes several oil barrels beneath where the warden is standing. Using what appears to be a generic semi-auto pistol, Breslin shoots at the barrels. This causes the barrels to explode in a massive fireball, immediately incinerating the warden.
2. After learning that the prison they are on has been constructed inside of a converted oil tanker, Breslin and Rottmeyer (Schwarzenegger) piece together a crude sextant using some sort of paper product as the base, some sort of clear plastic mechanism as the pointer, and a pair of glasses for the lenses. Could such a device actually work? (The idea is that Rottmeyer has contacts in several major world cities; if they are close enough to one of Rottmeyer's contacts, he can try to get a message out.)
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Post by User Unavailable on Oct 23, 2013 21:11:26 GMT
Myths from the movie "Escape Plan". 1. Breslin (Stallone) gets his revenge on the warden when he notes several oil barrels beneath where the warden is standing. Using what appears to be a generic semi-auto pistol, Breslin shoots at the barrels. This causes the barrels to explode in a massive fireball, immediately incinerating the warden. 2. After learning that the prison they are on has been constructed inside of a converted oil tanker, Breslin and Rottmeyer (Schwarzenegger) piece together a crude sextant using some sort of paper product as the base, some sort of clear plastic mechanism as the pointer, and a pair of glasses for the lenses. Could such a device actually work? (The idea is that Rottmeyer has contacts in several major world cities; if they are close enough to one of Rottmeyer's contacts, he can try to get a message out.) 1. Goes back to the "shoot a cars gas tank" and to the James Bond Special, where they shot propane tanks. 2. Googling for "Improvised Sextant", gave many links to making sextants with paper/index cards/ cardboard as the base and various other objects to make the "needle" or "pointer" to mark the degrees and various things to make the sight. So, assuming they assembled the parts they had in the correct way to make a crude sextant, it should work. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Oct 23, 2013 21:33:14 GMT
The improvised sextant seems possible to me. I seem to recall stories about naval officers managing to coble together very basic sextants for navigation in emergencies.
*Muses*
The problem with trying to pick ideas from a single film or TV show is that MB are unlikely to pick up such a themed episode unless the show/film in question happens to be very popular.
Maybe they could have an escape special? Taking myths or scenes from films and TV where the 'hero(s)' devise creative ways to get out of prisons ect. They've covered some escape myths before after all.
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Post by ironhold on Oct 23, 2013 21:47:41 GMT
Going from memory -
3. Earlier in the film, Breslin is attempting to escape a facility in Colorado. The prison occasionally serves the inmates chocolate milk as a luxury. This milk is packed in cardstock cartons that purportedly have a plastic film as a liner. Breslin succeeds in opening up a carton, peeling the film off, and using it to line the keypad to his isolation cell; whenever the guards go to punch the numbers, the film supposedly captures their fingerprints.
4. Instead of a normal isolation cell, The Tomb uses torture chambers in which subjects are exposed to bright lights that give off an incredible amount of heat and noise in addition to the brightness of the lights themselves. Breslin notes that a service tunnel runs beneath the chambers, as he is able to feel out a service panel... and the steel bolts used to secure it in place. Breslin claims that steel should never be used for such panels (he says you should use aluminum instead), and proves his point by asking Rottmeyer to obtain a piece of metal for him. Rottmeyer obtains the cover off of a drain, which Breslin secretly polishes with his toothpaste. The next time Breslin is in the chamber, he uses the polished drain cover to focus the heat onto the bolts, which expand and shatter one at a time. This enables Breslin to pop the cover off and escape into the service tunnel, leading him up top where he discovers that they're at sea.
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Post by the light works on Oct 28, 2013 14:34:09 GMT
Going from memory - 3. Earlier in the film, Breslin is attempting to escape a facility in Colorado. The prison occasionally serves the inmates chocolate milk as a luxury. This milk is packed in cardstock cartons that purportedly have a plastic film as a liner. Breslin succeeds in opening up a carton, peeling the film off, and using it to line the keypad to his isolation cell; whenever the guards go to punch the numbers, the film supposedly captures their fingerprints. 4. Instead of a normal isolation cell, The Tomb uses torture chambers in which subjects are exposed to bright lights that give off an incredible amount of heat and noise in addition to the brightness of the lights themselves. Breslin notes that a service tunnel runs beneath the chambers, as he is able to feel out a service panel... and the steel bolts used to secure it in place. Breslin claims that steel should never be used for such panels (he says you should use aluminum instead), and proves his point by asking Rottmeyer to obtain a piece of metal for him. Rottmeyer obtains the cover off of a drain, which Breslin secretly polishes with his toothpaste. The next time Breslin is in the chamber, he uses the polished drain cover to focus the heat onto the bolts, which expand and shatter one at a time. This enables Breslin to pop the cover off and escape into the service tunnel, leading him up top where he discovers that they're at sea. #4: if you don't have a "nut splitter" you can sometimes get seized nuts off by carefully heating just the nuts with a torch to make them expand enough to break them loose. unless they are made from cast iron, don't count on the nuts shattering from expansion stress. (note, a nut splitter uses a wedge and fulcrum arrangement in a rigid collar to cut through the side of the nut - expanding it - like a much more controlled version of cutting it off with a cold chisel. |
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Post by maxman on Feb 9, 2014 0:47:27 GMT
Just for the record, the "generic semi-auto pistol" is a 1911. Not that this changes anything.
Although, he does fire over eight rounds at the drum with what appears to be a standard magazine.
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Post by the light works on Feb 9, 2014 3:12:29 GMT
Just for the record, the "generic semi-auto pistol" is a 1911. Not that this changes anything. Although, he does fire over eight rounds at the drum with what appears to be a standard magazine. That places it firmly in my area of experience. I have two standard length mags - one of them is an 8 round mag. they are pretty common. however, anything bigger WILL protrude from the magazine well. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 17, 2014 5:09:17 GMT
now that I have seen it - the barrels were a two step process - first he shot holes in the barrels, allowing the liquid inside to pool under them - then he fired another shot which sparked the fireball.
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Post by maxman on Feb 26, 2014 8:34:49 GMT
Which goes back to the bullet sparks test, which showed that bullets do not spark.
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Post by the light works on Feb 26, 2014 15:41:41 GMT
Which goes back to the bullet sparks test, which showed that bullets do not spark. I must have missed that test. I do know I have sparked copper jacketed BB shot off asphalt. |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 15, 2014 8:32:17 GMT
Sextants are all Maths.
If you know the necessary maths, you can make a sextant out of lollipop sticks and a few nails....
Or so I am told.
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 7, 2014 15:43:20 GMT
Which goes back to the bullet sparks test, which showed that bullets do not spark. I must have missed that test. I do know I have sparked copper jacketed BB shot off asphalt. Copper doesn't spark, but minerals in the asphalt might if struck by a 'bullet'. |
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Post by the light works on Apr 7, 2014 16:27:17 GMT
I must have missed that test. I do know I have sparked copper jacketed BB shot off asphalt. Copper doesn't spark, but minerals in the asphalt might if struck by a 'bullet'. or it might have been copper jacketed steel shot. - come to think of it, at least some airgun BB shot IS magnetic, because the bolt on my friend's airgun was magnetic to help feed the shot more positively. (it was designed to load BB shot from a magazine or handload pellets through a port) |
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 16, 2014 7:01:06 GMT
I am halfway through asking the "Why copper jacket".....
So run with me on this.
The bullet once fired needs to rifle, as in spin up, to do that, the copper, being soft, stretches out into the rifling inside the barrel, and gets the spin on.
The steel at the centre of the bullet carries the weight.
If it was all steel, it would ruin the rifling in the barrel.
Did I get that right?.....
[ this is because I have only ever fired Lead bullets, as I have never had reason to fire anything else, other than on a range.]
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 16, 2014 8:54:56 GMT
As far as I'm aware yes, the jacket helps protect the barrel from wear if the round is made of a hard material (such as steel). In the case of lead copper coating is for (maybe ironically) health and safety reasons, as well as helping prevent lead deposits building up in the barrel.
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Post by the light works on Apr 16, 2014 13:23:58 GMT
BB shot is jacketed with copper or nickel to provide a softer surface for the rifling, and to prevent corrosion. the steel is because iron is cheaper than copper and nickel.
bullets are the opposite - the copper jacket is to provide a stronger surface for the rifling
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