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Post by the light works on Feb 24, 2015 16:34:58 GMT
I think I've already suggested that people who employ robocall machines should be required to pay $5.00 to anyone who receives a call from one (Receives being defined as if the call is connected, regardless of how long or if it is an answering machine that connects the call) |
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 24, 2015 19:41:03 GMT
I'm actually seriously contemplating running a harassment suit against one of our larger aid organizations. I used to donate around $20 a month to them, but stopped those donations after media uncovering that less than 10% of their collections actually went to the people who needed the money. I made it very clear to them that I wanted nothing more to do with them after that. That was 6 years ago. About 2 months ago, someone from their call center calls me up and asks me if I'd like to start donating again. No. And I've already told you why in writing, so stop bothering me. He accepts that and hangs up. About 3 weeks ago, I started getting these strange phone calls where the display on my cell phone would just barely light up before the caller hung up again. Same nuber every time. I don't call back. Instead, I go online to see who that number belongs to and you guessed it. It's that aid organization. Turns out I'm not the only one receiving these calls. Others report that it's an "automated donation" number and if you call it back, you'll "donate" DKR 50 (about $10) via your phone bill. I'm no expert, but if that had been done via email, it would be considered phishing, wouldn't it? No matter what phancy name you want to give it, it's devious and I'm pretty sure it's illegal. heck, if the rumors are true that constitutes fraud. I've emailed them earlier today and let them know that what they're doing is illegal and charges will be filed if they continue. I've further asked them to never contact me again by ANY means of communication and if that request is ignored, I will regard it as deliberate harassment and file charges with the police. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 25, 2015 9:15:50 GMT
I'm actually seriously contemplating running a harassment suit against one of our larger aid organizations. I used to donate around $20 a month to them, but stopped those donations after media uncovering that less than 10% of their collections actually went to the people who needed the money. I made it very clear to them that I wanted nothing more to do with them after that. That was 6 years ago. About 2 months ago, someone from their call center calls me up and asks me if I'd like to start donating again. No. And I've already told you why in writing, so stop bothering me. He accepts that and hangs up. About 3 weeks ago, I started getting these strange phone calls where the display on my cell phone would just barely light up before the caller hung up again. Same nuber every time. I don't call back. Instead, I go online to see who that number belongs to and you guessed it. It's that aid organization. Turns out I'm not the only one receiving these calls. Others report that it's an "automated donation" number and if you call it back, you'll "donate" DKR 50 (about $10) via your phone bill. I'm no expert, but if that had been done via email, it would be considered phishing, wouldn't it? No matter what phancy name you want to give it, it's devious and I'm pretty sure it's illegal. I did a 147 (Number lookup) in UK on a call where I had a hangup--- the number reported was 0111 111 22(****) I have no idea who that may be nor do I recognise that dialing code. We have a rule in this house, no one is to call back any number they dont recognise. I am wondering..... I have reported the number in full to the phone provider who will investigate it for harassment... I didnt know it, but repeated hangups are considered harassment. Please also note, the "Do not call" lists, TPS, whatever, they do work, but there are an increasing number of phishing companies who know they wont get prosecuted in time before they get to their target amount, after which they will have suddenly disappeared anyway, so they are ignoring the do not call lists. Adopt my ZERO return calls policy unless you recognise it as family or friends, anyone who wants you that urgent will call back anyway, or leave a message. Also note that many companies now have a system that can "sense" that your answer machine is doing the countdown to [x] number of rings before it cuts in, the calling system will terminate those calls immediately, as none of their agents want to waste time with an answer machine. This could be why your display barely has time to light up... the caller has sensed your answer machine?... Or, as you suggest, it is reliant on those who do a "ho called me" call back to the last number. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 25, 2015 9:36:05 GMT
As suggested by above posts contents, I am quite happy to put all cold calling telemarketers into room 101.
I am doing this on the grounds that none of us ever agreed to having anyone phone us up "cold calling" at an inconvenient moment just to try selling us anything at all...
I will make an exception to those who have pre-arranged deals to call... return calls from customer enquiries, you are exempt from this.
But Cold calling to sell some stupid product we dont want?...
That is not why we have a phone.
My own phone is for people who I have allowed to have my number contact me.
Having my number taken from a company and sold on is not why I gave that number in the first place.
I am now continuing my "Why do you need my number" campaign to any company that requests it, and if I dont consider them reasonable to have my number, I will refuse.
If you are a telemarketer, make it known, I realise you have a hard job, but that doesnt stop me not wanting to talk to you.
Nor will it make me apologise for being rude if I have had to call a halt to something important, like being under a sink repairing a broken pipe, just to listen to you yammer on about something I aint interested in in the first place.
You are considered by many to be Vermin.
You have one of the most hated jobs on earth.
I would say the greater spotted yellow striped parking buzzard (Traffic warden) who will stand and wait to ticket a car the second it exceeds its permitted time to be more popular than you.
I would say Justin Bieber has more adult fans than you, easily....
And that is a HUGE insult, isnt it?...
Recognise that no one is happy to talk to you, unless its an old person who hardly gets out and will spend as much time chatting on a phone as possible because you are the only person they have spoken to today and they are lonely....
Secondary entrance to this section via express route is the person who interrupted me one time whilst I was having this type of discussion to inform me that they were a telemarketer, and could I please have some respect for how hard their job was.
You wasted an excellent opportunity to shut the hell up.
Yo came to ME, expecting sympathy?...
I was on a rant about the numerous times in one day my Mobile had rung, and how it wastes the battery on my bluetooth headset to answer whilst driving, and how the stupid gits at the other end had not given any thought or respect to the fact I was driving and in no place to discuss anything like that.
I was busy telling my comrades how it was indeed a distraction to driving....
You that day got the full "Fred", the inner part of me that will scythe you down where you stand, and verbally assault your reasoning as false, you are one step away from getting the snot on the nose you deserve, for wasting my time, harassment, and annoyance that can be a danger to drivers, for ignoring my request to go away as you are distracting me whilst I drive, my phone is for emergency contact only, and you are NOT important.
Nor is your cause.
Get the message, get a job where we have more than just respect you have a job.
Go support your family with something respectful,
Hell sweeping the streets has more respect that telemarketers who have woken me up at "silly" o'clock in the morning, or late at night.
Get a job in telephony, be a receiver of customer enquiries if you like the job that much, if I phone you, I have all the respect in the world for someone who can help me.
But if you call me, especially when I just woke up, I am "Bear with sore head", you have been warned, and I will never apologise for that.
Open to edit is anyone thinks I have gone "too far" with this?...
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Feb 25, 2015 12:39:54 GMT
I don't see that as too far.
Telemarkers are annoying, frustrating, time-wasting gits. They call at all hours of the day regardless of the fact that federal law dictates the actual hours when they are permitted to call. They do not understand the word 'no' and believe that, if they continue yammer on, they can change your mind. They do not respect repeated requests to be put on the companies 'Do Not Call' list because the line they use broadcasts a spoof ID that leads back to a dead phone line*.
They call from a boiler room somewhere in India or Ethiopia and claim their name is 'John' or 'Tom', which anyone with half of a Kindergarten education can tell is false. So, they actually start the conversation with a lie, which will never earn a sale. It is actually against the law for the telemarketer to falsify any information given to you (including name), but good luck prosecuting that. I am now going to take an offensive stance for the rest of this conversation, should I choose to continue it.
I know you do not actually work for the FBI or Microsoft. And, saying you're calling from the generic 'Mastercard or Visa' is very decieving in and of itself. I have never and will never fall for the snake oil that you are peddling and feel much sympathy for those that do fall victim to your scams.
If you continue to flap your gums after I have rejected your offer, the next thing you hear will be dead air because I've disconnected the call while you've continued to talk.
If I ask a question, do not take offense to it and do not in anyway attempt to insult myself or my intelligence. There is a good chance that I will now unleash a fiery stream of expletives on you.
By the way, are you aware that while you get paid $10 or $15 per week (if that), your employers are scamming millions of dollars out of hard working people everyday through the crap that they make you peddle in your "sales pitch"?
So, yes, please stop what you are doing and look for a job that will provide you with more self respect, such as janitor or gas station attendant.
(*all my phone numbers are on the National Do Not Call List, but this is mostly a toothless gesture that gives the illusion of protecting consumers)
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Post by mrfatso on Feb 25, 2015 13:14:45 GMT
Our Government has announced a toughen up,of the laws on Cold Calling today, how much good it will do we will have to see . www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31616523The trouble is as you say many of the calls come from places like India where the jurisdiction of our countries do not apply, and so,they just ignore them. |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Feb 25, 2015 14:16:29 GMT
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Post by mrfatso on Feb 25, 2015 14:33:41 GMT
Stupid council officials .
I like the idea of free book libraries like that, a nice community service, though I tend to take my old books down to the local Hospice Charity shop, they sell them to raise funds
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Post by the light works on Feb 25, 2015 15:16:42 GMT
when I was young, I read a story about a father who decided to help his son operate a lemonade stand - and follow the rules in the process. according to the story it was quite a learning experience. |
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 25, 2015 22:43:16 GMT
I don't understand why you guys are so worried about extremists entering your country from outside, when you've already got so many of them inside... |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Feb 26, 2015 3:27:33 GMT
I don't understand why you guys are so worried about extremists entering your country from outside, when you've already got so many of them inside... When they're inside the country, we call them activists. When they're outside the country, we call them terrorists. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 26, 2015 7:14:35 GMT
Our Government has announced a toughen up,of the laws on Cold Calling today, how much good it will do we will have to see . www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31616523The trouble is as you say many of the calls come from places like India where the jurisdiction of our countries do not apply, and so,they just ignore them. I believe that the idea is to find a way to refuse entry to the uk from calls from a known nuisance line. This goes back to the great ISP wars when AOL and BT "Fell out" over spam.... AOL complained like hell that BT users were plaguing AOL users with Spam, so, because BT were slow to respond, AOL blocked BT Completely from sending any traffic through its servers. As Electronic mail is similar in infrastructure to Phone lines, they already have the technology to refuse to take calls from one subscriber to another.... If the phone company at source doesnt clean up its own act, they face universal rejection of all calls going outside their country. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 28, 2015 16:11:17 GMT
Nomination, and can someone else back me up on this.
Asda (wally world) home shopping staff who block the whole isle with their trolleys.
Can you please gop to room 101, isle freezing, and stay there indefinitely......
I understand that you have a side business where people can order their shopping "on line" and you will deliver it for them to their door...
I accept and even applaud you for that service.
But....
When it prevent me doing MY shopping, your starting to take the pizza.
Today I attempted what could have been a quick half hour shop, and it took me much longer than it should, because of the number of trolleys in use by these home shopping staff blocking the bloody isles, and where it requires ME to move the (beep)ing things out of the (beeping) way of the shelf I want to get to, because the staff have abandoned them to walk down the next isle with their likkle noddy sack and beep-beep bar code reader to get in someone elses way.
Why cant they do it at NIGHT when the 24hr store is quieter?.. for next day delivery?...
Or Early Morning before anyone else gets there?...
This was Mid Day on Saturday, the busiest time of the week, and I kid you not, there appeared to be more trolleys for home shopping than actual real time public shoppers trolleys...
So there I am, already at risk of some kid with a dodgy volume control screaming blue murder because Mummy has taken them out of the toy isle, fighting to get past the central EXTRA isle put in by the car-park of home shopping trolleys, with a lot of other severely un-amused shopper all struggling and complaining out loud about the futility of trying to get anywhere when all the isles are blocked.
Was this just one day, or is it normally like this on s busy weekend?...
I usually do the major supermarket EARLY on Friday mornings to avoid the crush.....
Oh and by the way, if you were the six foot tall bright day-glow YELLOW Haribo bear trying to do some advertising, if you heard someone say "If he gets in my way again I will just smack him with the trolley", I was talking to the Wife, we were discussing the home shopper idiot who had just moved his trolley to block the whole isle and decided to have a chat with his mate whilst the rest of the people stood unable to get past his stupid (deleted) slightly steaming and thinking rude words to say to him...
Not you.
You had enough problems with your idiot handler trying to get that unhappy kid to have its photo taken with you... I do hope your day got better?....
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2015 16:27:48 GMT
Nomination, and can someone else back me up on this. Asda (wally world) home shopping staff who block the whole isle with their trolleys. Can you please gop to room 101, isle freezing, and stay there indefinitely...... I understand that you have a side business where people can order their shopping "on line" and you will deliver it for them to their door... I accept and even applaud you for that service. But.... When it prevent me doing MY shopping, your starting to take the pizza. Today I attempted what could have been a quick half hour shop, and it took me much longer than it should, because of the number of trolleys in use by these home shopping staff blocking the bloody isles, and where it requires ME to move the (beep)ing things out of the (beeping) way of the shelf I want to get to, because the staff have abandoned them to walk down the next isle with their likkle noddy sack and beep-beep bar code reader to get in someone elses way. Why cant they do it at NIGHT when the 24hr store is quieter?.. for next day delivery?... Or Early Morning before anyone else gets there?... This was Mid Day on Saturday, the busiest time of the week, and I kid you not, there appeared to be more trolleys for home shopping than actual real time public shoppers trolleys... So there I am, already at risk of some kid with a dodgy volume control screaming blue murder because Mummy has taken them out of the toy isle, fighting to get past the central EXTRA isle put in by the car-park of home shopping trolleys, with a lot of other severely un-amused shopper all struggling and complaining out loud about the futility of trying to get anywhere when all the isles are blocked. Was this just one day, or is it normally like this on s busy weekend?... I usually do the major supermarket EARLY on Friday mornings to avoid the crush..... Oh and by the way, if you were the six foot tall bright day-glow YELLOW Haribo bear trying to do some advertising, if you heard someone say "If he gets in my way again I will just smack him with the trolley", I was talking to the Wife, we were discussing the home shopper idiot who had just moved his trolley to block the whole isle and decided to have a chat with his mate whilst the rest of the people stood unable to get past his stupid (deleted) slightly steaming and thinking rude words to say to him... Not you. You had enough problems with your idiot handler trying to get that unhappy kid to have its photo taken with you... I do hope your day got better?.... to my mind you can drop the whole Walton empire in there. I never heard of anybody starving to death or going naked before the arrival of the walton empire, for lack of stores to buy things at. they can't be ALL that necessary for the continued existence of the human race. |
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Post by OziRiS on Mar 1, 2015 21:19:38 GMT
Nomination, and can someone else back me up on this. Asda (wally world) home shopping staff who block the whole isle with their trolleys. Can you please gop to room 101, isle freezing, and stay there indefinitely...... I understand that you have a side business where people can order their shopping "on line" and you will deliver it for them to their door... I accept and even applaud you for that service. But.... When it prevent me doing MY shopping, your starting to take the pizza. Today I attempted what could have been a quick half hour shop, and it took me much longer than it should, because of the number of trolleys in use by these home shopping staff blocking the bloody isles, and where it requires ME to move the (beep)ing things out of the (beeping) way of the shelf I want to get to, because the staff have abandoned them to walk down the next isle with their likkle noddy sack and beep-beep bar code reader to get in someone elses way. Why cant they do it at NIGHT when the 24hr store is quieter?.. for next day delivery?... Or Early Morning before anyone else gets there?... This was Mid Day on Saturday, the busiest time of the week, and I kid you not, there appeared to be more trolleys for home shopping than actual real time public shoppers trolleys... So there I am, already at risk of some kid with a dodgy volume control screaming blue murder because Mummy has taken them out of the toy isle, fighting to get past the central EXTRA isle put in by the car-park of home shopping trolleys, with a lot of other severely un-amused shopper all struggling and complaining out loud about the futility of trying to get anywhere when all the isles are blocked. Was this just one day, or is it normally like this on s busy weekend?... I usually do the major supermarket EARLY on Friday mornings to avoid the crush..... Oh and by the way, if you were the six foot tall bright day-glow YELLOW Haribo bear trying to do some advertising, if you heard someone say "If he gets in my way again I will just smack him with the trolley", I was talking to the Wife, we were discussing the home shopper idiot who had just moved his trolley to block the whole isle and decided to have a chat with his mate whilst the rest of the people stood unable to get past his stupid (deleted) slightly steaming and thinking rude words to say to him... Not you. You had enough problems with your idiot handler trying to get that unhappy kid to have its photo taken with you... I do hope your day got better?.... We have a few stores around here that offer that service and you know what they do? They get all the stuff for the home shoppers directly from storage out back. They never go into the store. Guess why... Because they want to avoid the exact thing you're describing there. |
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Post by the light works on Mar 1, 2015 23:25:25 GMT
Nomination, and can someone else back me up on this. Asda (wally world) home shopping staff who block the whole isle with their trolleys. Can you please gop to room 101, isle freezing, and stay there indefinitely...... I understand that you have a side business where people can order their shopping "on line" and you will deliver it for them to their door... I accept and even applaud you for that service. But.... When it prevent me doing MY shopping, your starting to take the pizza. Today I attempted what could have been a quick half hour shop, and it took me much longer than it should, because of the number of trolleys in use by these home shopping staff blocking the bloody isles, and where it requires ME to move the (beep)ing things out of the (beeping) way of the shelf I want to get to, because the staff have abandoned them to walk down the next isle with their likkle noddy sack and beep-beep bar code reader to get in someone elses way. Why cant they do it at NIGHT when the 24hr store is quieter?.. for next day delivery?... Or Early Morning before anyone else gets there?... This was Mid Day on Saturday, the busiest time of the week, and I kid you not, there appeared to be more trolleys for home shopping than actual real time public shoppers trolleys... So there I am, already at risk of some kid with a dodgy volume control screaming blue murder because Mummy has taken them out of the toy isle, fighting to get past the central EXTRA isle put in by the car-park of home shopping trolleys, with a lot of other severely un-amused shopper all struggling and complaining out loud about the futility of trying to get anywhere when all the isles are blocked. Was this just one day, or is it normally like this on s busy weekend?... I usually do the major supermarket EARLY on Friday mornings to avoid the crush..... Oh and by the way, if you were the six foot tall bright day-glow YELLOW Haribo bear trying to do some advertising, if you heard someone say "If he gets in my way again I will just smack him with the trolley", I was talking to the Wife, we were discussing the home shopper idiot who had just moved his trolley to block the whole isle and decided to have a chat with his mate whilst the rest of the people stood unable to get past his stupid (deleted) slightly steaming and thinking rude words to say to him... Not you. You had enough problems with your idiot handler trying to get that unhappy kid to have its photo taken with you... I do hope your day got better?.... We have a few stores around here that offer that service and you know what they do? They get all the stuff for the home shoppers directly from storage out back. They never go into the store. Guess why... Because they want to avoid the exact thing you're describing there. problem with the warehouse stores doing that is there IS no storage out back. the stuff goes from the loading dock to the shelves. |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 2, 2015 8:29:48 GMT
There is one large chain who has a huge distribution network shed that does all of its home shopping from there.
Full crates of home shopping are then sent out with the stores daily deliveries to be distributed by the stores own fleet of vans.
That one also works for me.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Mar 2, 2015 16:00:36 GMT
There is one large chain who has a huge distribution network shed that does all of its home shopping from there. Full crates of home shopping are then sent out with the stores daily deliveries to be distributed by the stores own fleet of vans. That one also works for me. Around here, Stop & Shop runs 'Peapod' delivery service, which is all picked and delivered from a central warehouse in Massachusetts. Definitely a better idea than having nitwits wandering the aisles aimlessly on the busiest day of the week to pull delivery orders. (The only item sent directly from a local Stop & Shop is florist orders.) |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 8, 2015 9:54:01 GMT
Fail of the year, part one.... Shorts where the pockets hang out under the bottom of the shorts. Someone cut their jeans down, maybe, but having the white cotton squares of the pockets hang out where you cut above the line?... what is it too hard to just sew across and cut them as well?... This is what I mean.  Look, it looks stupid, it looks extremely silly, and its a fashion FAIL..... get over yourself, and just cut the damn things off, or dont cut your jeans that high. |
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Post by OziRiS on Mar 9, 2015 1:04:42 GMT
Is that a bunny in your pants, or are you just hap... No, wait. Scratch that last part and just answer the first question. Is that a bunny in your pants?
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